KSU vs. Nubb position by position...

[Slick]

Will do... here is a preview.  I finished my QB part, but I am not going to finish the rest till I am off work.

QB – Advantage NU

NU – Nebraska goes into this season with transfer QB Sam Keller leading the way.  Keller has already shown that he can have success at the D-1 level throwing for 2165 yards, 20 TD’s, and 9 INT’s before suffering a season ending hand injury at Arizona State.  Sam has now had a year to learn the WCO and was very impressive during the spring game.  Adam Carriker has been quoted in an article to say, that if Sam didn’t have to sit out last season he would have started over Taylor in 2006.  Sam seems to be a perfect fit for Callahan’s offense and has been pushed to work even harder due to journeyman Joe Ganz who was also very impressive this spring.

KSU – Physical phenom Josh Freeman had an up and down season as a true freshman.  He has all the needed physical tools, now it is just time to see if he can take advantage of them on the field after throwing for 1780 yards, 9 TD’s, and 15 INT’s.  If spring is any indication, he still is a work in progress as he struggled in the spring game and was outperformed by back-up Carson Coffman.  It also does not help that there are still questions on the O-line.

You used a quote from Carriker and Freeman's spring game to provide reason for your decision.  Ummm..okay?

I saw Keller play a number of times for ASU..I think he's good but he's not going to be better than Freeman IMO.  ASU's offense was perfectly tailored for big numbers by a QB and while he had some he was dreadful is some games...particularly in the 2nd half of some contests.  Keller fizzled in that last year and when relieved by Carpenter he was not going to get his job back because Carpenter was good.

And Keller was not going to start over Taylor.  Taylor was a highly cerebral game manager.  Keller isn't that type of a leader.

You don't have to like it, but I mean... what else do I have to go on other than Keller's performance at ASU and quotes from other players?  With Freeman, his potential is super high, but all you can go off right now is what he has done(which I included) and just hearsay.

[Maxell]

What games did Keller fizzle out in during the 2nd half? You do realize that he has a much better team around him than he did at ASU, right?

[The Manhatter]

You don't have to like it, but I mean... what else do I have to go on other than Keller's performance at ASU and quotes from other players?  With Freeman, his potential is super high, but all you can go off right now is what he has done(which I included) and just hearsay.

I think the biggest thing for me is that Keller was in an offensive system that was already developed under Koetter w/ the personnel to succeed.  I mean he had a national premiere type receiver in Hagan, a stud TE, great receiving backs and an OL...and yet couldn't quite get the job done.  He had some good games but how could he not?

Contrast that w/ Freeman who got the job done as an 18 year old.  And I say that because based on the lack of experience in the offense and lack of playing time for a lot of the players surrounding him he took a team that far exceeded expectations heading into last season.  Yes, special teams contributed greatly but nobody can deny that Freeman basically took the team on his back and beat OSU, CU, and Texas largely on his own.

[Maxell]

Keller did not have as much as you think around him. The ASU running game was non existent. By the time they played USC in 2005, three of his starting OL were out with injuries. There was no defense either. If you don't follow ASU football you probably don't understand the dynamics of their fooball program. Its not Nebraska. Not even close.

[The Manhatter]

What games did Keller fizzle out in during the 2nd half? You do realize that he has a much better team around him than he did at ASU, right?

He threw 5 int's vs. USC in '05.  And the '05 SC defense was very average.  He had that game and gave it back to SC.  And, remember, they didn't get SC down largely due to Keller...ASU got up on them due to a few huge returns in the kicking game.

Keller will have a better defense at Nebraska but I wouldn't say he'll have a better offense or special teams.  For whatever reason you fail to see that ASU had some damn good personnel surrounding him offensively.    Derek Hagan, Zach Miller, and Rudy Burgess are far from being bums in an offense like that.

[KSU4ME]

Arizona State 2004-2006:
23-14, 2-1 in Bowls

Nebraska 2004-2006:
22-15, 1-1 in Bowls

If you don't follow ASU football you probably don't understand the dynamics of their fooball program. Its not Nebraska. Not even close.

[Maxell]

Did you even watch that game?? First of all, look at the beating Keller took. In fact, he ended up getting his shoulder busted up at the end of the first half and took a coritsone shot on the sideline before the start of the third Q. Of the four INTs in the 2nd half, I recall two of them hitting his receivers in the hands before being picked off. Not his fault. And you can say what you want to about that USC defense but the one thing they had was speed. So did the LSU defense he picked apart for 450 yards. Keller has 11 OL in front of him and at least three guys that are all conference caliber and one (Keith Willliams) who looks like a future Outland Trophy winner. His receiving corp is about the same except we're deeper than ASU was. And if McNeill is healthy this offense will be in the top 5 in the country in total yards.

[fatty fat fat]

Arizona State 2004-2006:
23-14, 2-1 in Bowls

Nebraska 2004-2006:
22-15, 1-1 in Bowls

If you don't follow ASU football you probably don't understand the dynamics of their fooball program. Its not Nebraska. Not even close.

[KSU4ME]

ASU has had a higher ranked total defense than Nebraska in 2 of the 3 years Callahan has been head coach.

[KSU4ME]

Keller did not have as much as you think around him. The ASU running game was non existent.

Rushing Offense Rankings for 2005 (D1A):
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2.  Texas
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58.  Arizona State
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102.  Buffalo (season record:  1-10)
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107.  Nebraska  (Coach:  Bill Callahan)

[steve dave]

My God Maxell, KSU4ME is pwning you something fierce.  LOFL!

[Maxell]

ASU is an undisciplined program. Their players are generally soft and the demands on them are very small compared to Nebraska. I know Sam has commented on the huge differences in strength and conditioning and the work the players put in up at Nebraska compared to ASU. He's also said the the major difference between the ASU offense and the NU offense is the talent level and depth at both the receiver and OL position. You can choose to believe whatever you want to.

[ksuno1stunner]

My God Maxell, KSU4ME is pwning you something fierce.  LOFL!

Damn...making up for whatever the other thread was that he got pwned in.

[stormnut]

ASU is an undisciplined program. Their players are generally soft and the demands on them are very small compared to Nebraska. I know Sam has commented on the huge differences in strength and conditioning and the work the players put in up at Nebraska compared to ASU. He's also said the the major difference between the ASU offense and the NU offense is the talent level and depth at both the receiver and OL position. You can choose to believe whatever you want to.

 

[vanro031]

Keller did not have as much as you think around him. The ASU running game was non existent.

Rushing Offense Rankings for 2005 (D1A):
1.  Navy
2.  Texas
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102.  Buffalo (season record:  1-10)
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107.  Nebraska  (Coach:  Bill Callahan)

Thanks Captain Obvious. Everyone knew that Nebraska had a piss poor running attack in 2005. That was the top priority in 2006 to improve the running game..

[Maxell]

The ASU running game got killed when they lost almost their entire OL to injuries. Keep digging.

[The Manhatter]

ASU is an undisciplined program. Their players are generally soft and the demands on them are very small compared to Nebraska. I know Sam has commented on the huge differences in strength and conditioning and the work the players put in up at Nebraska compared to ASU. He's also said the the major difference between the ASU offense and the NU offense is the talent level and depth at both the receiver and OL position. You can choose to believe whatever you want to.

Number of offensive lineman drafted since 2002

ASU - 5
Nubb - 3

[KSU4ME]

By the time they played USC in 2005, three of his starting OL were out with injuries. 

The ASU running game got killed when they lost almost their entire OL to injuries. Keep digging.

ASU rushing after the USC game (supposedly when the OL was out):

Stanford:  126 yards, 2 TDs
UCLA:  181 yards, 2 TDs
Rutgers (bowl game):  212 yards, 2 TDs

Etc.

[Maxell]

Sam is referring specifcally to the ASU 2005 team and 2007 Nebraska team he'll be starting for. There's a good chance that in 4-5 years, about 15 of the players on this year's two deep on offense will be in the NFL.

[Maxell]

LOL UCLA 116th in the country in rush defense in 2005
Stanford 70th
Rutgers was 36th but look at their terrible schedule.

Illinois  30  33 OT 
09/10/05 + Villanova  38  6   
09/17/05 * Buffalo  17  3   
09/30/05 +* Pittsburgh  37  29   
10/08/05 + West Virginia  14  27   
10/15/05  Syracuse  31  9   
10/22/05  Connecticut  26  24   
10/29/05 + Navy  31  21   
11/05/05 + South Fla.  31  45   
11/11/05 * Louisville  5  56   
11/26/05 + Cincinnati  44  9   
12/27/05 $* Arizona St.  40  45

[The Manhatter]

Sam is referring specifcally to the ASU 2005 team and 2007 Nebraska team he'll be starting for. There's a good chance that in 4-5 years, about 15 of the players on this year's two deep on offense will be in the NFL.

this is why Nubb fans are unrealistic.  Just looked at OU 2003 offense depth chart and nothing close to 15.  And I looked at 2005 USC offense...likely 14 from their two deep.

2007 Nubb offense = most talented offense in NCAA history.

Do you realize how many players on your two deep who you think are pretty good who will never get more than a sniff or cup of coffee from the league?

[KSU4ME]

2005 was the year that Carpenter:

Attempted fewer passes
Completed more passes
Threw 7 fewer interceptions
Threw 17 TDs vs. Keller's 20
Went 4-2 (wins over Rutgers, Ariz, Wash, WashSt.) while Keller went 3-4 (wins over Temple, NW, and OreSt.)

And all of Carpenters starts came after the USC game and alleged decimation of the ASU OL.

[Maxell]

2005 was the year that Carpenter:

Attempted fewer passes
Completed more passes
Threw 7 fewer interceptions
Threw 17 TDs vs. Keller's 20
Went 4-2 (wins over Rutgers, Ariz, Wash, WashSt.) while Keller went 3-4 (wins over Temple, NW, and OreSt.)

And all of Carpenters starts came after the USC game and alleged decimation of the ASU OL.

Yeah and do you realize that Keller threw for 450 against LSU and 350 against USC? Convenient of you to leave that out.

[vanro031]

Some of these guys remind me of a UT wanna-be stater kit. 

[Bookie Pimp]

2005 was the year that Carpenter:

Attempted fewer passes
Completed more passes
Threw 7 fewer interceptions
Threw 17 TDs vs. Keller's 20
Went 4-2 (wins over Rutgers, Ariz, Wash, WashSt.) while Keller went 3-4 (wins over Temple, NW, and OreSt.)

And all of Carpenters starts came after the USC game and alleged decimation of the ASU OL.

Yeah and do you realize that Keller threw for 450 against LSU and 350 against USC? Convenient of you to leave that out.

yeah, and do you realize that Keller threw FIVE INTERCEPTIONS against USC and cost his team the game?  Convenient of you to leave that out.

 

[Maxell]

Nice of you to read the whole thread jackoff. 

[Slick]

What games did Keller fizzle out in during the 2nd half? You do realize that he has a much better team around him than he did at ASU, right?

He threw 5 int's vs. USC in '05.  And the '05 SC defense was very average.

If you don't mind I am going to borrow this quote for the Rivals National board.  They are going to love this.

[KSU4ME]

The five interceptions have been mentioned versus USC.

Against LSU, the Sun Devils got the ball with 2:54 to go.  Keller quickly gets the team to the LSU 28......and throws four consecutive incomplete passes.

[vanro031]

The five interceptions have been mentioned versus USC.

Against LSU, the Sun Devils got the ball with 2:54 to go.  Keller quickly gets the team to the LSU 28......and throws four consecutive incomplete passes.

How did Freeman do in the spring game?

[catinthehat]

" I want to see discussion about real play"

then why do you have  abana, a guy that isn't even on campus yet ahead of potter, a junior with real big 12 game experience?  seems rather stupid and hypocritical.