jayhox...answer this simple question..

[The Manhatter]

Is Meier's starts...
Northwestern St
La Monroe
Toledo
Baylor
KSU

tougher than Freeman's starts...
Texas
Rutgers
Nebraska
Colorado
Kansas.

That is what you are saying...both started against Mizzou, ISU, and OSU so those cancel out...the other 5 starts are listed.

Good luck answering.

I guess you could always respond again w/ "why won't you answer pass D rankings question?".....seriously, NW St, La Monroe, and Toledo vs. Texas, Rutgers, and Nebraska.

[Kat Kid]

Answer this simpler question Jayhoxx:

Why are you such a KSU obsessed douche?

[kougar24]

Do you really think life is simple for a guy who thinks losing to a Top 5 team is better for a program than beating one?

[Jayhoxx]

Are you going to pin the Baylor game on Meier?  Do you know how that game went down?

[Jayhoxx]

kougs misses the point on two different forums.  Do I need to explain it again?  Or will a link help?

[The Manhatter]

Are you going to pin the Baylor game on Meier?  Do you know how that game went down?

nobody is concerned about whether ku won or lost against Baylor and you know that.

Again...Is NW St, La Monroe, Toledo, Baylor, and KSU a tougher schedule than Texas, Rutgers, Nebraska, Colorado, and Kansas?

Just answer the question.

[michigancat]

kougs misses the point on two different forums.  Do I need to explain it again?  Or will a link help?

Explain it again, plz.  I can't view phog.net.

[Jayhoxx]

Are you going to pin the Baylor game on Meier?  Do you know how that game went down?

nobody is concerned about whether ku won or lost against Baylor and you know that.

Again...Is NW St, La Monroe, Toledo, Baylor, and KSU a tougher schedule than Texas, Rutgers, Nebraska, Colorado, and Kansas?

Just answer the question.

Wait, in light of your original point (interceptions), are you asking which is tougher to pass against?

[Kat Kid]

kougs misses the point on two different forums.  Do I need to explain it again?  Or will a link help?

Explain it again, plz.  I can't view phog.net.

+1

[The Manhatter]

Are you going to pin the Baylor game on Meier?  Do you know how that game went down?

nobody is concerned about whether ku won or lost against Baylor and you know that.

Again...Is NW St, La Monroe, Toledo, Baylor, and KSU a tougher schedule than Texas, Rutgers, Nebraska, Colorado, and Kansas?

Just answer the question.

Wait, in light of your original point (interceptions), are you asking which is tougher to pass against?

Sure...whatever.  Would you rather have Kerry dropping back to pass against NW St, La Monroe, Toledo, Baylor, and KSU or dropping back to pass against Texas, Rutgers, Nebraska, CU, and ku?

It's pretty easy to figure out whether you truly value "pass D" rankings or not.

[Jayhoxx]

kougs misses the point on two different forums.  Do I need to explain it again?  Or will a link help?

Explain it again, plz.  I can't view phog.net.

My point was that based on Freeman's comments, I think he sees himself as the QB against Texas rather than the rest of the season.  He said his turnovers against ku the following week were "uncharacteristic" when that is a crock.  Had he lost to UT by a TD rather than won, he might be looking at things differently and working to reduce turnovers.  Instead, he refers to them as uncharacteristic.

Of course with a different mindset a win over a top 5 team is great.  But if you only take it for granted you end up with the ku game, the Rutgers game, and the Spring game.

I explained this to kougs (and so did several others) yet he still missed the point.  Just like his QB.

[kougar24]

kougs misses the point on two different forums.  Do I need to explain it again?  Or will a link help?

Please! I could use a good laugh. Slow work day.

You do realize, though, that it isn't us "missing" the point; it's that your point is beyond retarded. HTH.

[ksuno1stunner]

kougs misses the point on two different forums.  Do I need to explain it again?  Or will a link help?

Explain it again, plz.  I can't view phog.net.

My point was that based on Freeman's comments, I think he sees himself as the QB against Texas rather than the rest of the season.  He said his turnovers against ku the following week were "uncharacteristic" when that is a crock.  Had he lost to UT by a TD rather than won, he might be looking at things differently and working to reduce turnovers.  Instead, he refers to them as uncharacteristic.

Of course with a different mindset a win over a top 5 team is great.  But if you only take it for granted you end up with the ku game, the Rutgers game, and the Spring game.

I explained this to kougs (and so did several others) yet he still missed the point.  Just like his QB.

It's ridiculous how much better Freeman is than Meier.

[michigancat]

kougs misses the point on two different forums.  Do I need to explain it again?  Or will a link help?

Explain it again, plz.  I can't view phog.net.

My point was that based on Freeman's comments, I think he sees himself as the QB against Texas rather than the rest of the season.  He said his turnovers against ku the following week were "uncharacteristic" when that is a crock.  Had he lost to UT by a TD rather than won, he might be looking at things differently and working to reduce turnovers.  Instead, he refers to them as uncharacteristic.

Of course with a different mindset a win over a top 5 team is great.  But if you only take it for granted you end up with the ku game, the Rutgers game, and the Spring game.

I explained this to kougs (and so did several others) yet he still missed the point.  Just like his QB.

LOL, that's the most retarded thing I've ever read.

[Jayhoxx]

Lets look at the regular season schedules and look at the pass defenses that both QB's played against. These are the rankings of the pass defenses in games that Freeman and Meier threw at least 10 attempts:

Meier Freeman
37   37
47   79
50   80
52   83
53   84
83   94
84   99
101 101
-     119

disregarding common opponents:
Meier Freeman
47   79
50   80
52   94
53   99
-    119
avg avg
51   94


Meier faced 4 opponents with better pass defenses than the best that Freeman faced. Freeman padded his stats against much worse pass defenses than what Meier faced. Even against better pass defenses, Meier put up better numbers.

And yes, this was taken from someone on Phog, but it points out that the toughest passing D Freeman faced of non-common opponents was #79.

[Kat Kid]

Lets look at the regular season schedules and look at the pass defenses that both QB's played against. These are the rankings of the pass defenses in games that Freeman and Meier threw at least 10 attempts:

Meier Freeman
37   37
47   79
50   80
52   83
53   84
83   94
84   99
101 101
-     119

disregarding common opponents:
Meier Freeman
47   79
50   80
52   94
53   99
-    119
avg avg
51   94


Meier faced 4 opponents with better pass defenses than the best that Freeman faced. Freeman padded his stats against much worse pass defenses than what Meier faced. Even against better pass defenses, Meier put up better numbers.

And yes, this was taken from someone on Phog, but it points out that the toughest passing D Freeman faced of non-common opponents was #79.

I notice you are too embarrassed to attach the team names to the numbers.

[ksuno1stunner]

Lets look at the regular season schedules and look at the pass defenses that both QB's played against. These are the rankings of the pass defenses in games that Freeman and Meier threw at least 10 attempts:

Meier Freeman
37   37
47   79
50   80
52   83
53   84
83   94
84   99
101 101
-     119

disregarding common opponents:
Meier Freeman
47   79
50   80
52   94
53   99
-    119
avg avg
51   94


Meier faced 4 opponents with better pass defenses than the best that Freeman faced. Freeman padded his stats against much worse pass defenses than what Meier faced. Even against better pass defenses, Meier put up better numbers.

And yes, this was taken from someone on Phog, but it points out that the toughest passing D Freeman faced of non-common opponents was #79.

Freeman beat Texas.  Like, OMG isn't that cool?

[kougar24]

kougs misses the point on two different forums.  Do I need to explain it again?  Or will a link help?

Explain it again, plz.  I can't view phog.net.

My point was that based on Freeman's comments, I think he sees himself as the QB against Texas rather than the rest of the season.  He said his turnovers against ku the following week were "uncharacteristic" when that is a crock.  Had he lost to UT by a TD rather than won, he might be looking at things differently and working to reduce turnovers.  Instead, he refers to them as uncharacteristic.

Of course with a different mindset a win over a top 5 team is great.  But if you only take it for granted you end up with the ku game, the Rutgers game, and the Spring game.

I explained this to kougs (and so did several others) yet he still missed the point.  Just like his QB.

LOL, that's the most retarded thing I've ever read.

What did I tell you?

[catzacker]

kougs misses the point on two different forums.  Do I need to explain it again?  Or will a link help?

Explain it again, plz.  I can't view phog.net.

My point was that based on Freeman's comments, I think he sees himself as the QB against Texas rather than the rest of the season.  He said his turnovers against ku the following week were "uncharacteristic" when that is a crock.  Had he lost to UT by a TD rather than won, he might be looking at things differently and working to reduce turnovers.  Instead, he refers to them as uncharacteristic.

Of course with a different mindset a win over a top 5 team is great.  But if you only take it for granted you end up with the ku game, the Rutgers game, and the Spring game.

I explained this to kougs (and so did several others) yet he still missed the point.  Just like his QB.

I think he sees himself as the QB that led an improbable comeback against OSU (that essentially gave the season new hope), he sees himself as the effecient QB that he was against ISU and especially CU, and he sees himself as the QB who torched UT.  Did the dude have some bad games?  Hell yes, especially against a crappy ku team.  

Does KM see himself as the QB on the bench for half the season because he's too much of a pansy to play?

[Saulbadguy]

There are too many variables to compare the two.  The biggest is of course the fact that Kerry was a redshirt freshman last season, and had more time to learn the offense than Freeman did.  

We all know how this will end (the prowess of the QB's, not the discussion), so there is no point in really debating the topic.  

[catzacker]

Lets look at the regular season schedules and look at the pass defenses that both QB's played against. These are the rankings of the pass defenses in games that Freeman and Meier threw at least 10 attempts:

Meier Freeman
37   37
47   79
50   80
52   83
53   84
83   94
84   99
101 101
-     119

disregarding common opponents:
Meier Freeman
47   79
50   80
52   94
53   99
-    119
avg avg
51   94


Meier faced 4 opponents with better pass defenses than the best that Freeman faced. Freeman padded his stats against much worse pass defenses than what Meier faced. Even against better pass defenses, Meier put up better numbers.

And yes, this was taken from someone on Phog, but it points out that the toughest passing D Freeman faced of non-common opponents was #79.

Could you please post the total defense national rankings that both Meier and Freeman started against?  TIA.

[michigancat]

Lets look at the regular season schedules and look at the pass defenses that both QB's played against. These are the rankings of the pass defenses in games that Freeman and Meier threw at least 10 attempts:

Meier Freeman
37   37
47   79
50   80
52   83
53   84
83   94
84   99
101 101
-     119

disregarding common opponents:
Meier Freeman
47   79
50   80
52   94
53   99
-    119
avg avg
51   94


Meier faced 4 opponents with better pass defenses than the best that Freeman faced. Freeman padded his stats against much worse pass defenses than what Meier faced. Even against better pass defenses, Meier put up better numbers.

And yes, this was taken from someone on Phog, but it points out that the toughest passing D Freeman faced of non-common opponents was #79.

Question:  Is the #52 Northwestern State (their I-AA ranking), or is it the dash?

Either way, 

[Jayhoxx]

It always gets lost on people that Freeman was a mid-term transfer to K-State out of high school and played Spring ball.

[cireksu]

Hox totally thinks that Meier's competition was better.

Do you also think that Mangino has improved ku compared to ksu or that ksu has just fallen off the last 3 years?

[kougar24]

'Hox, it wasn't just about Freeman. Don't forget this gem!

The Texas win is going to hurt them more in the long run than help them.

[ksuno1stunner]

It always gets lost on people that Freeman was a mid-term transfer to K-State out of high school and played Spring ball.

I think going a whole summer and season on the sidelines and watching how everything goes down makes it a pretty big difference.  And also considering Prince changed everything, there wasn't anyone really to guide him.

But that's just IMO.

[Jayhoxx]

'Hox, it wasn't just about Freeman. Don't forget this gem!

The Texas win is going to hurt them more in the long run than help them.

That's consistent.

[michigancat]

Question:  Is the #52 Northwestern State (their I-AA ranking), or is it the dash?

[kougar24]

'Hox, it wasn't just about Freeman. Don't forget this gem!

The Texas win is going to hurt them more in the long run than help them.

That's consistent.

 

So, yes or no 'Hox:
Would our program have been better off losing to Texas?

[Pett]

You know if you ask a hawk and tell him to answer honestly to this question: "Who would you rather have as QB of your jayhawks in 2007, 2008, & 2009?"

You know their answer would be Freeman, unless they're being a smartass...