You just said that what they do in the pros doesn't matter. In the other thread you were touting that ku was so much better because of their Hall of Fame players. Guys like Sayers didn't do for ku what even Michael Bishop did for KSU.
Wow. Never said that. As you highlighted in an earlier post, I said where they're drafted isn't important. It's what they do once they're in the NFL that does. And the difference between Sayers and Bishop is that Sayers did it in both the NFL and college. Bishop hasn't even been able to do it in the CFL or AFL.
You said you didn't care because they weren't playing at ku anymore. Thus, what they did in their pro careers shouldn't matter to you either. And in that case, Bishop > Sayers because Bishop did more for KSU in his two years than Sayers did for ku. (I'll admit that I don't know sh*t about ku from 61-64, but I'll assume that ku wasn't a top five team that won a bowl game in one year and then on the brink of a national championship the next. Again, I could be wrong, but I doubt it).
Please find where I said I didn't care because they weren't playing at ku anymore. Otherwise I can't take you seriously. Your making up my side of the argument to make yourself sound better.
And while it's fair to say Bishop's team fared better, no argument there, I don't think it's fair to say Bishop did more than Sayers during their collegiate career. Sayers is still known as the Kansas Comet because of what he did first at Kansas. He ain't called the Chicago Comet. He is also in the College Football Hall of Fame, Bishop isn't. So it seems at least those folks feel he had the better college career.
It often takes many years to get into the CFBHOF. Bishop could easily make it there at some point. He actually finished second in Heisman Trophy balloting. Where did Sayers end up? I see he did not make the top three in any of the three years he played at ku. Did he even make the top ten?
Spani is in the HOF, but it was 25 years after his playing days were done that he made it. John Hadl took 33 years, and Sayers took 13 years to be inducted, and it has not been that long yet on Bishop, so your argument on him not being in the HOF does not hold much water. Snyder is a shoe-in as soon as he is eligible. Also, don't forget Pappy Waldorf and Charlie Bachman are there as well (both former K-State coaches).
And LOL at somebody bringing up Manning. Mitch Richmond had by far the superior NBA career. The only player in ku history you could make a case for being a better pro than Richmond would be Chamberlain, and he was not made very welcome in Lawrence at the time and was shunned for leaving early as well. Took a long time for those wounds to heal.
