Josh Freeman...int machine...what about Kerry?..

[CatsNShocks]

So we can debate the stats all night long, but the bottom line is this:
Would you rather have JF or KM under center this year...all other things being equal?
I chose Josh, and deep down, we all know the Hawkers would too.

[Pittcat]

So we can debate the stats all night long, but the bottom line is this:
Would you rather have JF or KM under center this year...all other things being equal?
I chose Josh, and deep down, we all know the Hawkers would too.

Q                   F                     T

End of thread.

[Sandman]

So we can debate the stats all night long, but the bottom line is this:
Would you rather have JF or KM under center this year...all other things being equal?
I chose Josh, and deep down, we all know the Hawkers would too.

Alright, once again, you bring up Meier.  How many times can I say I'm not that impressed with him.  I'm just asking you why anyone should be so impressed with Freeman.  Once again, potential means you ain't done it yet.  His two worst games of the year were the last two games of the year, both blowouts.  His spring game performance was terrible.  Why this blind optimism about him?

"keep telling yourself over and over again that some int's (half of which were tipped by his own receivers) and a lack of TD's (Prince ran it a ton near the redzone) indicate some kid just one year out of high school sucks."

This one cracks me up Hatter.  They were tipped so they shouldn't count?  Tell Freeman to throw it to where they can make a clean catch.  Once again, 6 TDs in 8 starts.  That's bad.  Nice you're trying to blame it on Prince.

[fatty fat fat]

He played against tough competition. His bad games are to be expected from an 18 year old true frosh in a team who are all learning a new scheme.

4-3 vs big 12 competition. Amazing when you consider Mangino has never nabbed 4 big 12 wins in one season.

[cireksu]

Lighting up Texas and CU(who had a solid defense) is enough for me. 

[waks]

Passing touchdowns are overrated. As long as the ball gets in, then I'm good. And we had no shortage of that against ISU, OSU, Texas, Colorado, and even ku and Mizzou.

[Jayhoxx]

Could one of you (Hatter) please post the passing defense national rankings of the teams Freeman started against?  Thanks.

[The Manhatter]

Could one of you (Hatter) please post the passing defense national rankings of the teams Freeman started against?  Thanks.

I see where this is headed...some beak thought he was clever on the phog by insinuating LaMonroe, Toledo, and NW St. were more potent pass D's than Tejas due to rankings or something like that.  Good stuff. 

Thanks hoxx...I enjoyed it.

[ksuno1stunner]

Seriously, you're comparing the Golden Boy to the Delivery Boy...the insecurity level of K-State's fanbase needs to be checked.

 

[slucat]

Meier stats came against garbage competition.

that should end this discussion right there...
no need to bring up the fact that KSU was under a new coach
Freeman was a true FR
AND the fact that even with a hot and cold QB we still won more games with a tougher schedule

What is up with all these f'ing ku tools on here?

[catzacker]

Average national rank for pass defenses in conference starts:
KM: 72
JF: 88

Average national rank for total defense in conference starts:
KM: 82
JF: 67

[Jayhoxx]

1)  Hatter, you didn't answer the question there either.

2)  Hatter's post is related to passing ability.  The fact that he can't/won't run has nothing to do with that.

3)  The difference in ranking supports the premise that Freeman and Meier really aren't too different.

[waks]

Freeman and Meier really aren't too different.

[chum1]

Several NFL scouts called my private line to inform the that they will be taking a hard look at Kerry when he decides to hang up his college cleats.

[Jayhoxx]

Your sarcasm only hurts Josh.

[The Manhatter]

1)  Hatter, you didn't answer the question there either.

2)  Hatter's post is related to passing ability.  The fact that he can't/won't run has nothing to do with that.

3)  The difference in ranking supports the premise that Freeman and Meier really aren't too different.

I can't take you seriously w/ this stuff.

Again...La Monroe, NW St, and Toledo....Texas, Nebraska, and Rutgers...what more needs to be said?  Meier started against the first three while Freeman started against the latter.

Freeman can't run?  See video of Patton/Freeman...Freeman rolls out just fine.  If Meier had KSU's OL pass blocking for him last year he would not have been able to scramble out of most of those situations in the pocket either.  Meier ran in the option behind a veteran OL.  Good for him.  Besides...why is it some big deal about whether our QB can run?  It's not like Meier is going to go off running this year after ku lost 100 career starts in the interior OL.

thanks hoxx.

[catzacker]

3)  The difference in ranking supports the premise that Freeman and Meier really aren't too different.

Freeman faced better overall defenses.  I don't know if you're aware of this, but the defense's ability take away the run greatly affects the offense's ability to pass as the offense become more predictable or rather is forced to be one dimensional; couple that with an offensive line that is terrible/inexperienced and that leaves the QB in a bad situation.  It's weird, I know.  Learn more about football here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football

[chum1]

This is how I like to think about it.  Kerry Meier's stats are over inflated in the very same way that Snyder's team stats were.

[waks]

This is how I like to think about it.  Kerry Meier's stats are over inflated in the very same way that Snyder's team stats were.

QFT. Snyder blew.

[Sandman]

Passing touchdowns are overrated. As long as the ball gets in, then I'm good. And we had no shortage of that against ISU, OSU, Texas, Colorado, and even ku and Mizzou.

I'll just touch on the ku game here.  You had twenty total points.  7 from a special teams return.  7 from a long run by Patton that ku players gave up on.  6 from two field goals.  Freeman had six total turnovers.  His play led directly to more ku points than KSU (int and fumble loss for TDs).  Yes, I can see why you'd use that game to support Freeman.

[Jayhoxx]

Hatter continues to refuse to post the actual rankings of those pass defenses.  And when you take away the run, you need to rely on a pass defense that is often shorthanded due to run support.  So, if the pass defense is already poorly ranked, then you would think Golden Boy could pick them apart.  No?

[fatty fat fat]

Hatter continues to refuse to post the actual rankings of those pass defenses.  And when you take away the run, you need to rely on a pass defense that is often shorthanded due to run support.  So, if the pass defense is already poorly ranked, then you would think Golden Boy could pick them apart.  No?

Dude, if pass defense rankings are the gold standard to judging a team, you are pretty much &@#%ed as a ku fan.

[Jayhoxx]

Isn't it a pretty good place to start when comparing interception stats between QB's?  Right, right.  That would be silly.   

[fatty fat fat]

Again, if you want to measure an opponents strength by passing defense, I'll happily oblige.

ku #118 in the country.

[Jayhoxx]

And Freeman did what against #118 . . . . . ?

[fatty fat fat]

I do like how you guys are dragging your defense in the mud (calling it the worst in the country) to make freeman look bad.

3 moles of LOL there.

[Jayhoxx]

I'm not dragging anyone anywhere.  The D-backfield was already in the mud and cost us 3 games and we didn't get enough pressure from the DE's (except for the K-State game).  Talib was a shutdown corner with no support.  The d-backs look to be improved for this year (new blood couldn't be worse) and the DE's still worry me.

[waks]

Passing touchdowns are overrated. As long as the ball gets in, then I'm good. And we had no shortage of that against ISU, OSU, Texas, Colorado, and even ku and Mizzou.

I'll just touch on the ku game here.  You had twenty total points.  7 from a special teams return.  7 from a long run by Patton that ku players gave up on.  6 from two field goals.  Freeman had six total turnovers.  His play led directly to more ku points than KSU (int and fumble loss for TDs).  Yes, I can see why you'd use that game to support Freeman.

You're pretty f*cking retarded. I said that we didn't have problems putting points on the board in those games. We had 20 or more points in each of those games. 30 or more against the first four I mentioned. I didn't say anything about turnovers. All I said was that I didn't care how points were scored whether it be on the ground or through the air. Thanks for exhibiting your stupidity though.

[bigdeal]

Geez, you beakers are annoying.  Let's try and explain it to you simply.  Freeman obviously has tremendous potential.  Typically, players improve as they move through the college ranks...particularly between their first and second seasons playing.  From reports I have seen, Freeman played very well in the spring practices, but just laid a giant egg in the spring game.  KSU fans are excited about Freeman because of his potential and because he showed some tremendous flashes of his abilities in performances against some quality competition.  It would appear that with an improved O-Line (can the Cats line get any worse?), and more experience that will help him learn to avoid those bad throws, Freeman should be much better this year.  Couple that with a hopefully improved front line and the Cats have some good potential.  Now, they have to realize that but surely even a beak can see the Freeman potential. 

[The Manhatter]

And Freeman did what against #118 . . . . . ?

No Moreira, No Yamon, 1/2 Jordy...wonder why?

good stuff.