Prince get another O-Lineman in the Top 10 of the NFL draft.

[mjrod]

Prince obviously has no idea how to cultivate talent.

 

[Houstoncat93]

Yeah but he was only a 3 start and only had one other offer.  Prince doen't have a clue.

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=1815

[Fausto]

What was Prince thinking? 

[fatty fat fat]

Who ever said there aren't exceptions?

[mjrod]

It's not an exception.

It's about coaching.   Ask John McGraw.

[fatty fat fat]

Yes, because a 3 star is more likely to be a top 5 pick than a four or five star.

[mjrod]

So let me guess, you're basing your contention that this guy is an exception?

I want to hear your explanationi of Heath Miller.

[Houstoncat93]

Yes, because a 3 star is more likely to be a top 5 pick than a four or five star.

Rivals ratings of this years top 5:

3 Stars - 2 (Fergenson and Hawk)
5 Stars - 2 (Young and Bush)
4 Stars - 1 (Davis)

[fatty fat fat]

Yes, because a 3 star is more likely to be a top 5 pick than a four or five star.

Rivals ratings of this years top 5:

3 Stars - 2 (Fergenson and Hawk)
5 Stars - 2 (Young and Bush)
4 Stars - 1 (Davis)

Thanks. 3>2...and they award more 3 and 2 star players than 4 and 5 star players.

[Fausto]

"and they award more 3 and 2 star players than 4 and 5 star players."

Who is they, and what are their credentials?  Every coach gets hired by having to show a resume or results.  What makes these rankers the expert they are, in your mind?

[mjrod]

Thanks. 3>2...and they award more 3 and 2 star players than 4 and 5 star players.

That didnt' make sense.

You wanna clarify your comment?

[fatty fat fat]

"and they award more 3 and 2 star players than 4 and 5 star players."

Who is they, and what are their credentials?  Every coach gets hired by having to show a resume or results.  What makes these rankers the expert they are, in your mind?

Recruiting services.

[mjrod]

"and they award more 3 and 2 star players than 4 and 5 star players."

Who is they, and what are their credentials?  Every coach gets hired by having to show a resume or results.  What makes these rankers the expert they are, in your mind?

Recruiting services.

Non Answer.

Try again.

[Fausto]

Recruiting services.

Fausto's Recruiting Service, founded April 29, 2006, ranks all of Kansas State's current commitments as 12 star recruits.  mjrod, you want to start your own recruiting service?

[fatty fat fat]

Recruiting services.

Fausto's Recruiting Service, founded April 29, 2006, ranks all of Kansas State's current commitments as 12 star recruits.  mjrod, you want to start your own recruiting service?

They've been proven to show a good relationship between high recruiting rankings, and success on the field.

[mjrod]

Recruiting services.

Fausto's Recruiting Service, founded April 29, 2006, ranks all of Kansas State's current commitments as 12 star recruits.  mjrod, you want to start your own recruiting service?

Sure.  I can do just as good as any other service.   fatty's already started his.

[Houstoncat93]

Yes, because a 3 star is more likely to be a top 5 pick than a four or five star.

Rivals ratings of this years top 5:

3 Stars - 2 (Fergenson and Hawk)
5 Stars - 2 (Young and Bush)
4 Stars - 1 (Davis)

Thanks. 3>2...and they award more 3 and 2 star players than 4 and 5 star players.

You need to go retake your Stats class:

Chance of 5 star being taken is 2/5 = 40%
Chance of 3 star being taken is 2/5 =40%
Chance of 4 star being taken is 1/5 = 20%

Last time I checked 40% = 40%


 

[ksuno1stunner]

you gotta remember there's a hell lot more 3 stars than 5 stars

[fatty fat fat]

you gotta remember there's a hell lot more 3 stars than 5 stars

TTT

[mjrod]

you gotta remember there's a hell lot more 3 stars than 5 stars

This isn't the issue.

The issue is that any player can be developed to achieve his potential, and a lot of the times, the rankings are wrong.    The players ability to play and compete at a level is not easily determined by simply looking at stars.

Recruiting services evaluate on general terms, and coaches evaluate on specifics, many things that cannot be evaluated by recruiting services.   This is the catch that people who place so much emphasis on stars get caught up with.  You can easily state "More stars = more success" with the assumption that the coach knows what he's doing.  That isn't the case.  Great Coaches take what they get and mold their teams into success with all kinds of talent.   

There is no doubt there is plenty of talent, but if you look at the class of 2001, KSU's best recruiting class, it was essentially, a dud.   History shows that coaching has a much greater impact on the success of a team than just talent alone.

[Fausto]

When looking at this *stars* was 2001 actually better than 1999's class?  I think clearly the '99 class was the best ever!

As for fff's service...I see he uses a pretty easy formula toward ranking players....that being if they commit to K-State they are horrible.

[fatty fat fat]

Rivals service.

[mjrod]

Well, you know fatty.   His idea of a what a good recruit is this:

Must have lots of stars.  (Oh wait, they haven't ranked anyone yet..)

If not stars, must have lots of offers from Top D-1 schools.  (Ah, yes.. schools are still looking and evaluating talent.)  In his mind, KSU is screwing up because we should be letting the other schools make the offer, find out who they are, then we offer them.

His rationale is simple.   We are last in the Big 12 north and we REALLY need to start recruiting ONLY 3-4-5 stars.   Because so many local kids have committed, it's clear Kansas and Missouri cannot produce talent, we really need to go out and find it in Texas, Florida, etc.

Sadly, the game of football has eluded him.  It's incredibly entertaining how silly he really sounds when it comes to making this kind of stuff up.   There is no guarantee that a kid that comes to KSU will turn into a star, much less make KSU a contender.   How did KSU get to be a contender in late 90's and a Big 12 Champion?  Probably, my guess is, we beat out Texas, OU, Miami, Nebraska, Notre Dame, and USC for Bishop, Newman, Sproles, Beasley, Simoneau, Lecky, Eby..etc..etc..etc.

[fatty fat fat]

Higher rated recruits=better teams

[JTKSU]

Higher rated recruits=better teams

And, until last year, Mack Brown was known for bringing top notch recruiting classes to Texas/NC and never really being a factor in the NC chase.  It was just last year that he was being lampooned as an after thought to Oklahoma in his half of the conference.

[mjrod]

Careful JT..

fatty's point has changed.  He just wants us to be competitive and his vision is more correct than Coach Prince.

[Andy]

eventually someone will do an analysis of star ratings and who ends up an all american or in the nfl draft.  it seems like these recruiting services get a free pass right now with everything they do.  hell, i'd pay to know whether what they do is really all that accurate.

[fatty fat fat]

Higher rated recruits=better teams

And, until last year, Mack Brown was known for bringing top notch recruiting classes to Texas/NC and never really being a factor in the NC chase.  It was just last year that he was being lampooned as an after thought to Oklahoma in his half of the conference.

Yeah...he was only 50-10 before this past year.

I would just hate to have UT success during the period of 1998-2004 

[michigancat]

I would love to have a 3 star lineman with a Big 10 offer.

[JTKSU]

Higher rated recruits=better teams

And, until last year, Mack Brown was known for bringing top notch recruiting classes to Texas/NC and never really being a factor in the NC chase.  It was just last year that he was being lampooned as an after thought to Oklahoma in his half of the conference.

Yeah...he was only 50-10 before this past year.

I would just hate to have UT success during the period of 1998-2004

He is certainly doing a great job at Texas, that was never in doubt.  My point is Texas was consistantly in the top five in the recruiting rankings every year and were watching teams with "inferior" recruiting classes play in the BCS bowls after they played in their annual Cotton Bowl or Holiday Bowl matchup with a third or fourth place team from another conference.  I have to assume coaching had something to do with this, as Brown beat the Stoops boys in the Rivals rankings year in, year out; but couldn't buy a win in Dallas.