Lamark Brown as a receiver..Good or bad decision?

[michigancat]

I'd rather see Lamark on D (at LB).  WR has never been a problem.  It wasn't last year.  Our o-line is/was the problem, not the amount or quality of Freeman's weapons.   It wouldn't have mattered if we had TO or Marvin Harrison against ku, JF didn't have time to get into a 5 step drop (hell, even a 3 step drop) before he had someone in his face.  Conversely, given the nature of the 3-4, Lamark could have a greater impact, imo. 

I think the lack of a quality WR vs. ku, especially killed us.  Without a legitimate threat at receiver, ku could bring the house every play.  I know it's kind of a chicken vs. egg thing, but to say WR has never been a problem and expect us to be OK with Jordy and DaGo is ridiculous.

[KSU4ME]

We haven't had two receivers over 500 yards in the same year since 2002.

Last season D-Gon was on the field...a LOT, and started FOUR.

I'd say we need more options at WR, especially fast ones.

[michigancat]

Really, to say any position isn't a "problem" is almost ridiculous, considering the state Bill left us in.

[KSU4ME]

Prince has really saved our bacon at QB.  Freeman is a future Pro Bowler, and Coffman is going to be one of those career backups that becomes a coaching legend.

[michigancat]

Yeah, I have a lot more confidence in Coffman than I did in Schwinn (Jeff).

[chum1]

If we need an upgrade at WR, it would probably be better to upgrade WR prospects than convert an LB prospect to WR.  We all really need to pinch ourselves, though, because we'll have both the next TO and about four ones and done in basketball all on campus at the same time.

[catzacker]

I'd rather see Lamark on D (at LB).  WR has never been a problem.  It wasn't last year.  Our o-line is/was the problem, not the amount or quality of Freeman's weapons.   It wouldn't have mattered if we had TO or Marvin Harrison against ku, JF didn't have time to get into a 5 step drop (hell, even a 3 step drop) before he had someone in his face.  Conversely, given the nature of the 3-4, Lamark could have a greater impact, imo. 

I think the lack of a quality WR vs. ku, especially killed us.  Without a legitimate threat at receiver, ku could bring the house every play.  I know it's kind of a chicken vs. egg thing, but to say WR has never been a problem and expect us to be OK with Jordy and DaGo is ridiculous.

It would have been nice to say "hey, we're kind of thin at WR, let's hand the ball off to Patton and/or Johnson", but we couldn't consistently cause our o-line sucked.  We've never really had any depth at WR and we've managed (albeit in a different offense).  Is depth at WR a problem?  Certainly, I'm not saying it isn't/wasn't, but I think Lamark would be better served on defense.  

[FBWillie]

I'd rather see Lamark on D (at LB).  WR has never been a problem.  It wasn't last year.  Our o-line is/was the problem, not the amount or quality of Freeman's weapons.   It wouldn't have mattered if we had TO or Marvin Harrison against ku, JF didn't have time to get into a 5 step drop (hell, even a 3 step drop) before he had someone in his face.  Conversely, given the nature of the 3-4, Lamark could have a greater impact, imo. 

It's all related;  As a defense, are you more likely to blitz if you have to double cover every receiver?  A #1 defense wouldn't have helped us with ku.  We needed more time in the pocket.  An Oline would have helped, but a deep threat would have done just as much.

[KSU4ME]

The problem at WR isn't just depth, it's quality.

Given that he didn't play LB in HS, it's a very presumptive statement to forecast stunning success for him at that position.

[chum1]

I think ku would have blitzed like hell even if we had Jerry Rice and Tim Brown on the field.  I also think they would have been successful with that strategy.

Given that he didn't play LB in HS, it's a very presumptive statement to forecast stunning success for him at that position.

No, it happens literally all of the time.

[FBWillie]

Then you can blame play calling.... dont' remember, were we successful with any screens?

[KSU4ME]

No, it happens literally all of the time.

More often fans are just being stupid.

I bet you haven't seen more than a dozen snaps of Lamark playing football, and you're predicting success at a position he's never played.

Think about that for a minute.

And don't go opcat.

[michigancat]

I think ku would have blitzed like hell even if we had Jerry Rice and Tim Brown on the field.  I also think they would have been successful with that strategy.

LOL @ ku's crappy DB's in single coverage against Tim Brown.  Fade Fade Fade Fade TD TD TD TD

[chum1]

No, it happens literally all of the time.

More often fans are just being stupid.

Take Ernie Simms, for example.  He was a big time stud running back in college.  When he went to FSU, fans argued back and forth about whether he would play offense or defense.  Fortunately for him, he was encouraged by his coaches to play defense and was the #9 overall pick in the NFL draft.

I bet you haven't seen more than a dozen snaps of Lamark playing football, and you're predicting success at a position he's never played.

You're right.  I haven't seen one.  Common sense will get you a lot farther than amateur hour film room sessions.

I think ku would have blitzed like hell even if we had Jerry Rice and Tim Brown on the field.  I also think they would have been successful with that strategy.

LOL @ ku's crappy DB's in single coverage against Tim Brown.  Fade Fade Fade Fade TD TD TD TD

Our problem is more one of hitting receivers than of getting them open.

[michigancat]

Our problem is more one of hitting receivers than of getting them open.

D-Gon

[KSU4ME]

Common sense isn't making bold statements in the absence of fact.

That's tard behavior, and exactly what you're doing.

If Lamark doesn't set the world on fire at WR, move him over.  Worked with Jordy Nelson, Rashad Washington and many others.  Both started off at one position and moved later when it didn't work out.

And your Sims example:

Sims played LB in HS as well as RB. 

And was named Parade All American.

And was named top LB prospect in the nation by Parade.

It's one thing to suggest a guy might make a stud LB when he puts up 133 tackles (73 solo) as a HS Senior.   It's another when he's never played the position.

[chum1]

Why wait to move him?  How many true freshman have set the world on fire at WR? 

[catzacker]

Lamark is going to look fabulous running down the field while Freeman is getting sacked. 

[FBWillie]

Common sense isn't making bold statements in the absence of fact.

That's tard behavior, and exactly what you're doing.

If Lamark doesn't set the world on fire at WR, move him over.  Worked with Jordy Nelson, Rashad Washington and many others.  Both started off at one position and moved later when it didn't work out.

Don't forget Watts.   He was originally a WR.

[michigancat]

Lamark is going to look fabulous running down the field while Freeman is getting sacked. 

Put him at left tackle?

Why wait to move him?  How many true freshman have set the world on fire at WR? 

I'd guess it's comparable to the number of true freshman that have set the world on fire at linebacker.

[KSU4ME]

Why wait to move him?  How many true freshman have set the world on fire at WR? 

Because he sure looks like he has the ability to be a great WR, and he's been good catching the ball in HS.

Did I mention that your Sims comparison really, really sucked?

[Slick]

Two things...

Am I the only one that thinks he'd be better used this year in a different position?

Seems like a waste to use his athleticism at receiver, especially when we've got some solid starters and decent depth at that position.

Then we've got other positions which are a bit shallow(linebacker?) where someone with Lamark's size/speed would be able to contribute immediately and add some much needed depth.

Just think of a bigger Yamon Figurs.

Lamark does not have Figurs explosiveness...

 

Lamark = TO

Lamark does not = TO

Be realistic people...

[catzacker]

Lamark is going to look fabulous running down the field while Freeman is getting sacked. 

Put him at left tackle?

He can't be any worse than Spex and maybe he can stay healthy longer than Stringer.

[chum1]

Why wait to move him?  How many true freshman have set the world on fire at WR? 

I'd guess it's comparable to the number of true freshman that have set the world on fire at linebacker.

That's KSU4ME's standard, not mine.  KSU4ME probably also needs to explain why a position change of HS RB to WR is acceptable but one of HS RB to LB isn't.  

Why wait to move him?  How many true freshman have set the world on fire at WR? 

Because he sure looks like he has the ability to be a great WR, and he's been good catching the ball in HS.

Did he really only catch 47 passes least year?  As opposed to having 427 rushes?

Did I mention that your Sims comparison really, really sucked?

I was comparing the fans much more than the players (see your quote that I clearly referenced).

Why does everyone think that Prince bothered to say that Brown was off limits to the defensive coaches on signing day?  I mean, why even bring it up?  He did it because Brown is more of a defensive prospect.  Prince, himself, thinks this.  Our fans are the only ones that don't.

[michigancat]

Why does everyone think that Prince bothered to say that Brown was off limits to the defensive coaches on signing day?  I mean, why even bring it up?  He did it because Brown is more of a defensive prospect.  Prince, himself, thinks this.  Our fans are the only ones that don't.

Honestly, I didn't bother to think about it until now.  I'll let the tards worry about what position he's supposed to play.  I think Leyton put it best:

Lamark Brown at _____any_position_____ is a good decision as long as he has a powercat on his helmet.

[doom]

I don't think it matters where we put him, I don't see him failing wherever he goes position wise.

[KSU4ME]

Why wait to move him?  How many true freshman have set the world on fire at WR? 

I'd guess it's comparable to the number of true freshman that have set the world on fire at linebacker.

That's KSU4ME's standard, not mine.  KSU4ME probably also needs to explain why a position change of HS RB to WR is acceptable but one of HS RB to LB isn't. 

Why wait to move him?  How many true freshman have set the world on fire at WR? 

Because he sure looks like he has the ability to be a great WR, and he's been good catching the ball in HS.

Did he really only catch 47 passes least year?  As opposed to having 427 rushes?

Did I mention that your Sims comparison really, really sucked?

I was comparing the fans much more than the players (see your quote that I clearly referenced).

Why does everyone think that Prince bothered to say that Brown was off limits to the defensive coaches on signing day?  I mean, why even bring it up?  He did it because Brown is more of a defensive prospect.  Prince, himself, thinks this.  Our fans are the only ones that don't.

Lamark has experience running routes, catching the ball and running after the catch.

The fact that you can't see this is hilarious, everyone else in the thread has seen it.

Fans arguing about a guy like Sims, the top LB prospect in the nation who averaged 9.4 YPC as a running back, is quite a bit different than you arguing Lamark should play LB -- a position he's never played.

[chum1]

Why does everyone think that Prince bothered to say that Brown was off limits to the defensive coaches on signing day?  I mean, why even bring it up?  He did it because Brown is more of a defensive prospect.  Prince, himself, thinks this.  Our fans are the only ones that don't.

Honestly, I didn't bother to think about it until now.  I'll let the tards worry about what position he's supposed to play.  I think Leyton put it best:

Lamark Brown at _____any_position_____ is a good decision as long as he has a powercat on his helmet.

Congrats on finding the wrong thread (misleading title notwithstanding).  Maybe the two of you should reconvene here:  http://kstatestats.blogspot.com/.

[chum1]

Lamark has experience running routes, catching the ball and running after the catch.

It looks like Lamark had fourteen times more tackles than receptions last year.
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[KSU4ME]

It's the fact that you're basing the LB projection on thin air that I'm laughing at, and correctly identifying as tardish.

Here's an idea, lets all project every good incoming athlete to random positions!