We are seriously going to be Baylor in a few years

[mjrod]

It not a perfect correlation dumbass.

But it's a damned good indicator.


Texas and OU...each have recruited the best the past 6 years...each are the kings of the big 12 the past 6 years.

OU won their NC with Blake's players. Stoops has three Big 12 Championships. Do you think Coaching plays a bigger role than just recruiting or not?

BTW: Texas has not been the King of the Big 12 until last year.

I'm pretty sure, that Texas will not repeat.

I just want to point out that this is pretty much the worst argument ever.  Can anyone remember the last time one of these teams won less than 8 games?

The worst argument is this statement you just made.  You're implying that unless we recruit players that have offers, RIGHT NOW, from the top schools in the country, we're going to become Baylor.   You cannot make that argument stick at all, it's an opinion you and fatty back up with isolated examples and scenarios where recruiting was not the major factor, but one part of it.    You're indicting the system because of your own viewpoint of how someone should recruit when:

1.  Prince's recruiting system is very different than Snyder.

2.  Your evaluation of talent is based not on the film, but by the number of offers that a kid is receiving EVEN THOUGH most schools are still evaluating talent.

3.  Kansas and Missouri kids are not capable of becoming better.

4.  Your conclusions are based on the theory that you can look at other schools and see what they are doing, and yet, you all have been part of the "Kids won't come to Manhattan" group.   You admire what other schools do, and do not take into consideration the hurdles KSU has gone through to be competitive.

5.  You indict the abilty of this coaching staff without ever seeing the results as of yet.   Interestingly, you seem to knock the process without ever knowing exactly how the coaching staff does it's job.


In essense, the only thing you're doing is establishing a standard on what KSU should be doing in competition with other schools, even trying to tell us that you know how to evaluate the talent better than they do.  Do you think we should just offer every kid OU, Texas, USC, Miami, Florida, Florida St. do simply to be in the running?  Do you even understand what it takes to recruit kids?   

 

[mjrod]

Again. It's not a perfect correlation. OU may have struggled last year...but they are still 60-12 in the last 6 years.

Same with Texas. They may go 9-4 next year.....but so what...that is now a "down year" for them because they recruit so well

You backpeddle any more, your argument is going away.  You haven't shown that any of the kids we have gotten so far won't get us to where we want to be.

Sad, little man you are.

[Houstoncat93]

I guess we should just fire Prince now huh?  What ever happened to the we don't really know how good a recruiting class  is until 2 - 3 years down the road.  Now we are bashing on the recruiting class months before its even signed?

You (fatty, Rusty et. al.) need to chill out and not assume that just because Prince is getting commits long before Snyder that something is wrong.  Remember Snyder told recruits NOT to commit until they had looked at other schools.  Let's let Prince at least sign his first full class before we start claiming the sky is falling....or maybe play one real game.....or one conference game.....or one season.  Quit lettin Rivals and the so called recruiting experts form your opinions.  Feel free to use your minds and do your own analysis once in awhile.

[fatty fat fat]

My point, is that stars DO matter.

Recruiting rankings DO matter.

You guys would go apesh1t if Aufner, Cuba were both 4-stars....as you should.

4-star players=Usually turn out to be better than 2-star players.

Get it yet?

[mjrod]

Who do they matter to, fatty?  You?

[fatty fat fat]

Nearly everyone on Wabash Station.

[mjrod]

This isn't the wabash station.

[fatty fat fat]

O.K. 

[Houstoncat93]

My point, is that stars DO matter.

Recruiting rankings DO matter.

You guys would go apesh1t if Aufner, Cuba were both 4-stars....as you should.

4-star players=Usually turn out to be better than 2-star players.

Get it yet?

Fatty go compare our recruiting rankings vs are actual poll rankins for the last 10 years and see what you find out.

[fatty fat fat]

I'm sure I'll find out that teams that recruit well usually finish higher than teams that don't.

[Fausto]

"Nearly everyone on Wabash Station."

Yeah.  "Marvin and Malcolm in the Middle" a couple of years back didn't exactly work out. 

[mjrod]

I'm sure I'll find out that teams that recruit well usually finish higher than teams that don't.

Get at it.

[JTKSU]

It's funny as hell to me that, when we were winning, stars didn't mean anything and now they mean everything.  I can't help but feel that fatty is only like eighteen years old and doesn't really understand the game of college football yet.  Let's wait to pass judgement on this class til the stars are actually passed out on the recruiting sites;(unfortunately, they are pretty much the authorities on this type of thing as far as we know) or, even more intelligently, lets wait for 4-5 years and see what type of careers these kids actually have at KSU before we relegate them to second class status.  Also, it seems to me that ISU has been pretty decent the last few years, so I don't believe that kids offered schollys by them are exactly something to sneeze at.

[ksuno1stunner]

so now it's ok to be as good as ISU?  if they are what you consider good at developing players, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE AS GOOD AS FREAKIN' ISU?

[mjrod]

so now it's ok to be as good as ISU?  if they are what you consider good at developing players, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE AS GOOD AS FREAKIN' ISU?

I don't get this twist in the argument.

What makes you think we're going to be ISU?

[fatty fat fat]

We recruited very well when the stoopsie bros were around.

[mjrod]

We recruited very well when the stoopsie bros were around.

Arguably the most subjective comment made.

Care to back that up?

[fatty fat fat]

NFL draft picks.

What, did Snyder suddenly fail to develop players? Notice how after the class of 99 (2003 seniors) we immediatly went down the crapper?

[mjrod]

NFL draft picks.

What, did Snyder suddenly fail to develop players? Notice how after the class of 99 (2003 seniors) we immediatly went down the crapper?

Yes, but consider.  The 2001 class was Snyder's biggest class, star wise (remember Daniel Davis?) and it went into the crapper.

The 2001 team, our worst team had the most NFL drafts, including Jon McGraw.. a walk on.

Notice how the quality of players is dependent on the players accepting the system and the coach.  Remember who John Blake was?

You're too focused on recruiting stars, and not enough about the systems to where those players are going to go, and the coaches that make up that system.

[JTKSU]

so now it's ok to be as good as ISU?  if they are what you consider good at developing players, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE AS GOOD AS FREAKIN' ISU?

I was responding to an earlier post (which I can't seem to find)about of the kids we've offered so far being the kind of players ISU picks up as safety players at the end of the recruiting period.  I never said ISU was a model of how to develop players, or that I aspire for our team to be as good as theirs; all I said is they continue to finish near the top of the Big XII  North every year so their players must not be that bad.  Please read the posts thoroughly before getting all excited and typing in caps like somebody just insulted your mom.

[fatty fat fat]

so now it's ok to be as good as ISU?  if they are what you consider good at developing players, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE AS GOOD AS FREAKIN' ISU?

I was responding to an earlier post (which I can't seem to find)about of the kids we've offered so far being the kind of players ISU picks up as safety players at the end of the recruiting period.  I never said ISU was a model of how to develop players, or that I aspire for our team to be as good as theirs; all I said is they continue to finish near the top of the Big XII  North every year so their players must not be that bad.  Please read the posts thoroughly before getting all excited and typing in caps like somebody just insulted your mom.

Iowa State sucks.

[michigancat]

1. Prince's recruiting system is very different than Snyder.

As it should be.

2. Your evaluation of talent is based not on the film, but by the number of offers that a kid is receiving EVEN THOUGH most schools are still evaluating talent.

Why are we offerring earlier?  Are our coaches better at evaluating talent than "most schools"?

3. Kansas and Missouri kids are not capable of becoming better.

WTF?

4. Your conclusions are based on the theory that you can look at other schools and see what they are doing, and yet, you all have been part of the "Kids won't come to Manhattan" group. You admire what other schools do, and do not take into consideration the hurdles KSU has gone through to be competitive.

WTF?  I've never been a part of that group.  I think a good recruiter isn't afraid of any school.  I thought we had that when Prince stole Freeman from Nebraska.  Instead, our coaching staff is thinking, "We have to offer every other Big XII schools backup plans early, otherwise we'd have no chance at them.  I mean c'mon, it's Ames vs. Manhattan!  How can we compete?!?"

5. You indict the abilty of this coaching staff without ever seeing the results as of yet. Interestingly, you seem to knock the process without ever knowing exactly how the coaching staff does it's job.

Yep.  Because recruiting right now makes little &@#%ing sense to anyone who looks at it without bias. 

In essense, the only thing you're doing is establishing a standard on what KSU should be doing in competition with other schools, even trying to tell us that you know how to evaluate the talent better than they do.

No, but you're insinuating that KSU's coaches know how to evaulate talent better than the Big XII.  But yeah, it would be nice if more than one of our commits had an offer from another Big XII school.

 

Do you think we should just offer every kid OU, Texas, USC, Miami, Florida, Florida St. do simply to be in the running? Do you even understand what it takes to recruit kids?

Of course not...let's steal someone away from Iowa State or Baylor before we get too crazy.

[mjrod]

First of all, what makes you think our coaches CAN'T evaluate players better than the rest of the Big 12?

This coaching staff has only been on the job for four months and the priority is recruiting.  Just when do you think it's OK for them to go out and start evaluating kids?

[sonofdaxjones]

I think KSU should've waited until all these kids went to various summer camps, and then walked away with multiple offers from Texas A&M, Wisconsin and others ... and then started getting heavily involved. 

[mjrod]

That's reasonable.

[fatty fat fat]

multiple offers from Texas A&M, Wisconsin and others ...

There is NOTHING to indicate that.

[sonofdaxjones]

multiple offers from Texas A&M, Wisconsin and others ...

There is NOTHING to indicate that.

Oh I get it, you now subscribe to the Cornhole/Squawklogic that just because a kid has a name of a school on his list, you just can't read to much into that afterall, nobody else was going to offer any of those kids (Sincerely GrayHawker).

[fatty fat fat]

Prince has been recruiting no-names.


Our 3 biggest recruits (high school) in the 2006 class....were Patton, Kendall, and Freeman.

Two were recruited by Snyder. Those were his only two commits.

[sonofdaxjones]

Prince has been recruiting no-names.


Our 3 biggest recruits (high school) in the 2006 class....were Patton, Kendall, and Freeman.

Two were recruited by Snyder. Those were his only two commits.

"I was also being heavily recruited by Arkansas," Whitmore said.

A.J. Whitmore

Fatty responds, "you're lying kid".


Tennessee, Tulsa, Oklahoma State, LSU, Missouri and Memphis were also recruiting Whitmore.

[fatty fat fat]

Again, we'll see when the stars come out how truthfull these recruits are being.