We are seriously going to be Baylor in a few years

[Raiderinks]

"So you don't think he's smarter than the rest of the Big XII, just Bill Snyder."



We can't say with any certainty what Bill Snyder actually did during the spring because even when he got commits, he never announced them early.

[michigancat]

"So you don't think he's smarter than the rest of the Big XII, just Bill Snyder."



We can't say with any certainty what Bill Snyder actually did during the spring because even when he got commits, he never announced them early.

No crap, no one can.

[mjrod]

Last I checked Arkansas, Missouri and Texas were outside of Kansas.

Geezus ... to think people on PI think I am negative.

Seriously, I would like to know how many Big XII schools have offerred our commits.  A few offerred Lamark Brown.  Has a Big XII extended an offer to ANY of our other commits?

None.

Irrelevant.

BullS**T.  We are competing against the Big XII.  A player with multiple Big XII offers is generally better than a player with a "Thank God, I get to play D1" Big XII offer.

And again.. WHO SAYS THEY WON'T BE OFFERED LATER?

They might.

As last minute fallback plans for teams like Iowa State.


You don't honestly think Prince is smarter than the rest of the Big XII coaches, do you?

Ok, that was probably the most cynical answer you've ever given, one not based in reality.

The issue here is that you guys are viewing this as a school vs. school issue, but then you have an out if it's not a real big school.  The schools you want to compete against doesn't necessarily make the recruit any better.

Remember, no one wanted Jon McGraw.   We got him.   ku wanted Sproles, but no one else did.  Ell Roberson was wanted by Nebraska but not other schools in the Big 12.

Interesting how we cherry pick our recruits, but you can't seem to back up your premise.

 

[ksuno1stunner]

damn, prince was projected to have a top 20 recruiting class this year.  it's not going to happen

you're supposed to go for the studs early in the recruiting season, and then fill it out with sleepers late.  not the other way around

prince can do so much better than this.

[fatty fat fat]

Yup...that Vince Young...#1 player in the nation...where is he now?

Oh wait...he just finished his college career as one the greatest QB's of all time.

 

[mjrod]

Yup...that Vince Young...#1 player in the nation...where is he now?

Oh wait...he just finished his college career as one the greatest QB's of all time.

 

 

[fatty fat fat]

Reggie Bush? #1 recruit?

#1 pick in NFL draft


 

[mjrod]

Reggie Bush? #1 recruit?

#1 pick in NFL draft


 

 

Terence Newman.. 2 star, Salina KS.

#5 in the draft.

[sonofdaxjones]

Geezus ... I can't believe this thread.

Kevin Lockett ... 1 D1 offer, Mark Simonaeu ... maybe a couple of offers, Darren Howard ... a 200lb DE, Nyle Wiren ... I don't think anybody but KSU offered him,  Darren Sproles ... offer from ku,  Newman ... ku and KSU, that's about it,  Lilja ... KSU and maybe one other ... etc. etc. etc.

All World can't miss .... Frank Murphy, Daniel Davis.

KSU is still involved with a bunch of kids lots of people want already:  Keck, Hundredtmark etc. etc.

[fatty fat fat]

Yup...teams that recruit well usually finish last.

Like TexASS! Oh wait....national champs.

[mjrod]

Yup...teams that recruit well usually finish last.

Like TexASS! Oh wait....national champs.

Good one.   How many years did they win the proverbial Recruiting MNC?

How long did it take them?

Will they repeat?

Was Vince Young the reason they won or because of coaching?

it's incredible how short sighted you are in your understanding of football.

 

[fatty fat fat]

It's not a perfect correlation dumbass.

But it's a damned good indicator.


Texas and OU...each have recruited the best the past 6 years...each are the kings of the big 12 the past 6 years.

[mjrod]

It not a perfect correlation dumbass.

But it's a damned good indicator.


Texas and OU...each have recruited the best the past 6 years...each are the kings of the big 12 the past 6 years.

OU won their NC with Blake's players.  Stoops has three Big 12 Championships.  Do you think Coaching plays a bigger role than just recruiting or not?

BTW:  Texas has not been the King of the Big 12 until last year.

I'm pretty sure, that Texas will not repeat.

[fatty fat fat]

OU and Texas consistently yield top 10 recruiting classes.

They also consistently field top 10 teams.

Get it?

[mjrod]

OU and Texas consistently yield top 10 recruiting classes.

They also consistently field top 10 teams.

Get it?

That isn't the contention you were making.

You're saying our recruiting is going to make us into a Baylor, without any fact.  Now you're claiming we can be a Top 10 team primarily with recruiting.

No one says that recruiting is not a part of the equation, but just how much is it?   Texas isn't getting into the Top 10 consistently with just recruiting.   If you base it on recruiting only, Florida should have won more games than they did last year, and USC should have three peated and will contend for the NC the next four years.  OU had great classes with Blake, but it took another coach to get them there.

The problem is, the evaluation is WAY too early.  By your own methods of evaluation, KSU is destined to finish last in the Big 12 north the next three years.   For your sake, let's hope you're right.

[sonofdaxjones]

This has gotten funny at this juncture.

The people on this board who haven't watched any film of any of these guys ... are now being held mentally hostage by a bunch fans from other schools who wouldn't know a D1 propsect if he came and took a dump on their kitchen table.

Fatty and Rusty and others = OWNED

I just went and watched the video Colton Freeze again.  I can tell you exactly  why KSU went after him ... watching what he's asked to do at Liberty looks EXACTLY like the things KSU is going to ask him to do, and he does them well. 

Watching the film on Aufner, Kirk and Freeze looks like I am watching lineman drills at KSU. 

[mjrod]

That's the entire point of the recruiting issue.

The stats, the stars and pictures aren't the only thing coaches evaluate.  The film tells a lot about the players and the coaches talking to the HS coaches about how they run their program.  These are the things that make the other schools come in late.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

That's the entire point of the recruiting issue.

The stats, the stars and pictures aren't the only thing coaches evaluate.  The film tells a lot about the players and the coaches talking to the HS coaches about how they run their program.  These are the things that make the other schools come in late.

So we can fairly conclude that Prince is doing none of those evaluations.

[sonofdaxjones]

All the final evaluations before the offer is made go through him.

There's a process in place very similar to an NFL draft board.

[mjrod]

That's the entire point of the recruiting issue.

The stats, the stars and pictures aren't the only thing coaches evaluate.  The film tells a lot about the players and the coaches talking to the HS coaches about how they run their program.  These are the things that make the other schools come in late.

So we can fairly conclude that Prince is doing none of those evaluations.

Is this where I get to say that you made an evaluation on our Spring Game and never saw it?

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

That's the entire point of the recruiting issue.

The stats, the stars and pictures aren't the only thing coaches evaluate.  The film tells a lot about the players and the coaches talking to the HS coaches about how they run their program.  These are the things that make the other schools come in late.

So we can fairly conclude that Prince is doing none of those evaluations.

Is this where I get to say that you made an evaluation on our Spring Game and never saw it?

No, go with the "Your motherboard is gonna fail" type smack this time.

[mjrod]

That's the entire point of the recruiting issue.

The stats, the stars and pictures aren't the only thing coaches evaluate.  The film tells a lot about the players and the coaches talking to the HS coaches about how they run their program.  These are the things that make the other schools come in late.

So we can fairly conclude that Prince is doing none of those evaluations.

Is this where I get to say that you made an evaluation on our Spring Game and never saw it?

No, go with the "Your motherboard is gonna fail" type smack this time.

Nice.   In both cases, you lose.

 

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

My 'evaluation' of your QBs and their spring game details stems from comments made by Kstate fans.

So if you disagree than take it up with your own fellow fans who said Meier was best and knew what he was doing.

[michigancat]

That's the entire point of the recruiting issue.

The stats, the stars and pictures aren't the only thing coaches evaluate. The film tells a lot about the players and the coaches talking to the HS coaches about how they run their program. These are the things that make the other schools come in late.

Once again, KSU fans are insinuating Prince is smarter than the rest of the Big XII.  I don't understand this one bit.

[michigancat]

It not a perfect correlation dumbass.

But it's a damned good indicator.


Texas and OU...each have recruited the best the past 6 years...each are the kings of the big 12 the past 6 years.

OU won their NC with Blake's players. Stoops has three Big 12 Championships. Do you think Coaching plays a bigger role than just recruiting or not?

BTW: Texas has not been the King of the Big 12 until last year.

I'm pretty sure, that Texas will not repeat.

I just want to point out that this is pretty much the worst argument ever.  Can anyone remember the last time one of these teams won less than 8 games?

[BrotherDDay]

Stoops first year in '99 ou won 7, and I think ut won 4 or 5 in Jackovic's last year in '97.

ou had to bust balls to get 8 wins last year with their awesome recruiting classes.

[michigancat]

Stoops first year in '99 ou won 7, and I think ut won 4 or 5 in Jackovic's last year in '97.

ou had to bust balls to get 8 wins last year with their awesome recruiting classes.

Yep - we should actually avoid good recruiting classes, otherwise we'll end up in the crapter like OU, USC, Florida, LSU, Miami, Ohio State, and UT.

[BrotherDDay]

Stoops first year in '99 ou won 7, and I think ut won 4 or 5 in Jackovic's last year in '97.

ou had to bust balls to get 8 wins last year with their awesome recruiting classes.

Yep - we should actually avoid good recruiting classes, otherwise we'll end up in the S**Tter like OU, USC, Florida, LSU, Miami, Ohio State, and UT.

Can't disagree that good recruiting classes make things easier.  But, most importantly is getting the recruits -- no matter if they're the greatest or worst recruiting class --  on the same page to develop good team chemistry and to accept coaching.

ou last year is a good example of having all a bunch of "out of this world recruits" who couldn't do jack s#@t early in the season because they believed their own hype.  nu is another example -- greatest recruiting class in 2005 and what did they do last year?  Got smoked by ku, mu and  needed a brain cramped, 4-star, k-state DE recruit to self-implode to substain their drive to win the game against the last place team in the North. 

Now, nu's two prized '05 recruits -- Beck and Lucky -- are drawing the ire of the classiest fans in college football because they can't beat out a pencil armed juco QB and a plodding RB from TX for starting jobs.

 

[fatty fat fat]

Again. It's not a perfect correlation. OU may have struggled last year...but they are still 60-12 in the last 6 years.

Same with Texas. They may go 9-4 next year.....but so what...that is now a "down year" for them because they recruit so well

[mjrod]

That's the entire point of the recruiting issue.

The stats, the stars and pictures aren't the only thing coaches evaluate. The film tells a lot about the players and the coaches talking to the HS coaches about how they run their program. These are the things that make the other schools come in late.

Once again, KSU fans are insinuating Prince is smarter than the rest of the Big XII.  I don't understand this one bit.

Smarter?  That's your take on it to make your argument sound good, and is way off base.

Prince is starting earlier than Snyder.   That's what's happening.