Deon Murphy not coming?

[FBWillie]

If you would pay attention to what I've been saying you would see that I was not worried about Murphy not being able to make it because I believe that there are other options JUST AS GOOD AS MURPHY.  Johnson and Patton really don't come into the equation until you are worried about one of them getting injured.   If you're only argument is to have the two best guys back there and this topic is about Murphy being back there, then apparently you believe that Murphy is better than Johnson or Patton.   Expecting a JUCO player to be a better option than two proven Big 12 Players only further illustrates your ignorance.

Now slow down and read this very slowly: The statement I've been making all along is that Pierce and Hogan are just as good of options to compliment Johnson or Patton than Murphy was.  Johnson and Patton have nothing to do with Pierce, Hogan, and Murphy being Viable Options.

So to answer your question: "What point does it make if they're viable options if they're not as good as the guys that have the job now?"

What point does it make if Murphy is a viable option if they're not as good as the guys that have the job now?  See where I'm going with this.  If an unproven murphy was someone that you wanted to unseat Johnson or Patton, than the other guys should be a viable option as they are just as unproven as Murphy.  So me answering that stupid as question is just as stupid as you suggesting that we're up crap creek now that Murphy can't shore up Patton or Johson kick returns. 

Look, I don't think your are really this stupid.  You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.  And the point you're trying to make makes sense to me, but you're failing to see that I"m not worried about not getting Murphy because Hogan and Pierce may turn out to be just as good as Murphy.  If you don't want both of your RB's returning kicks, which is something that I never suggested, and I don't want either, then you need a 3rd option in there:  Hogan and Pierce are great options for that guy, with atleast two other options behind them.

Proven kick returners in the Big 12 = x

Unproven players with the liklihood to succed with Kick returns = y

x+y= Good kick returns

x = Johnson or Patton
y = (murphy), hogan, pierce, woods, or bell.  In that order.

[ksu16cat]

What do you guys think about Josh Moore returning punts. He did it this spring. Do you think he could have the same impact that newman had?

[KSU4ME]

If you would pay attention to what I've been saying you would see that I was not worried about Murphy not being able to make it because I believe that there are other options JUST AS GOOD AS MURPHY.  Johnson and Patton really don't come into the equation until you are worried about one of them getting injured.   If you're only argument is to have the two best guys back there and this topic is about Murphy being back there, then apparently you believe that Murphy is better than Johnson or Patton.   Expecting a JUCO player to be a better option than two proven Big 12 Players only further illustrates your ignorance.

Now slow down and read this very slowly: The statement I've been making all along is that Pierce and Hogan are just as good of options to compliment Johnson or Patton than Murphy was.  Johnson and Patton have nothing to do with Pierce, Hogan, and Murphy being Viable Options.

So to answer your question: "What point does it make if they're viable options if they're not as good as the guys that have the job now?"

What point does it make if Murphy is a viable option if they're not as good as the guys that have the job now?  See where I'm going with this.  If an unproven murphy was someone that you wanted to unseat Johnson or Patton, than the other guys should be a viable option as they are just as unproven as Murphy.  So me answering that stupid as question is just as stupid as you suggesting that we're up @#%$ creek now that Murphy can't shore up Patton or Johson kick returns. 

Look, I don't think your are really this stupid.  You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.  And the point you're trying to make makes sense to me, but you're failing to see that I"m not worried about not getting Murphy because Hogan and Pierce may turn out to be just as good as Murphy.  If you don't want both of your RB's returning kicks, which is something that I never suggested, and I don't want either, then you need a 3rd option in there:  Hogan and Pierce are great options for that guy, with atleast two other options behind them.

Proven kick returners in the Big 12 = x

Unproven players with the liklihood to succed with Kick returns = y

x+y= Good kick returns

x = Johnson or Patton
y = (murphy), hogan, pierce, woods, or bell.  In that order.

Please let me know how many punt returns Johnson and Patton have in 2006. 

Pierce has 6 at the JC level.

Hogan is pretty experienced at a HS level, but we're going off 1 return on video.

Murphy has not only the greater experience at the JC level, he also has more production.  The other incoming players aren't even close when it comes to combined experience and production.  That's the simple fact that you ignore, and substitute it with raves about a grand total of three plays (one for Hogan's video, and 2 from Pierce). 

Look at your last sentence, it is EXACTLY my point.  Murphy is/was the best incoming option. 

[FBWillie]

Murphy would have been great.  I would have loved to have him.  But Pierce and Hogan are viable options.  

But it's still JUCO.  Patton and Johnson are better options at this point.  I don't care what you say.

[FBWillie]

Look, It's a loss, only an idiot would say it isn't. But It's not that bad because we have several guys that can fill those shoes.  If he had been a DT, this would have been worth melting down over.  But it's not.

I'm done.  Any response from you here after will be ignored.

[KSU4ME]

But it's still JUCO.  Patton and Johnson are better options at this point.  I don't care what you say.

Johnson had two, count 'em TWO, returns last year. 

If two plays, one of which is a great one, is all it takes to be proven at a position in NCAA D1A....

For that matter Patton only had 10 returns on the year.  There were 66 returns last year, and our two top guys (the proven ones) accounted for 18% of them.

That's yet another reason why I want Murphy.