watching 00 ccg

[fatty fat fat]

it's ridiculous how close we to having 3 big 12 championships.

[Pett]

I swear that Coop was Trent Smith's bitch.....

[michigancat]

I swear that Coop was Trent Smith's bitch.....

More accurately, Bennett was Bob Stoops' bitch.

[Pett]

I swear that Coop was Trent Smith's bitch.....

More accurately, Bennett was Bob Stoops' bitch.

QFT, but Jarrod always had a hard time covering any TE.

[cireksu]

Can you post a clip of the deflected ball that the PI was called on?

[jeffy]

Can you post a clip of the deflected ball that the PI was called on?

 

That call pisses me off more than nearly any other call ever made against KSU!!!


Me-----> <----Randy Cristol

[michigancat]

I swear that Coop was Trent Smith's bitch.....

More accurately, Bennett was Bob Stoops' bitch.

QFT, but Jarrod always had a hard time covering any TE.

Well, then Bennett shouldn't have expected him to figure it out in the freaking B12 title game.

[kougar24]

I can't explain it, but I never felt like we were going to win that game as it unfolded.

[Bookcat]

I swear that Coop was Trent Smith's bitch.....

More accurately, Bennett was Bob Stoops' bitch.

Exactly.  After '98, they knew how Cooper couldn't defend the TE post and they exploited it.

[KSU4ME]

Coop shoulda used more juice in  '00.

[Pett]

Coop shoulda used more juice in  '00.

Still wouldn't of helped his pass coverage....

[Kat Kid]

People that don't know what the &@#% they are talking about:

Please go back and watch the tape.  Cooper was on an island against a fairly athletic "recieving" TE in space.  It was a poopy scheme like Rusty says, nothing else.

FATTY!  SCREEN SHOTS!!  STAT!!!

They split Trent out wide against Coop who was apparently supposed to bump-n-run.  It was a ridiculous gameplan in terms of what was being asked of Coop.  I don't know that it was so terrible overall.

[fatty fat fat]

qft to rusty and kk's.

It didn't help that OU's defense was insanely good that year.

[michigancat]

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/120200aaa.html

Smith had 8 receptions for 96 yards.

[KSU4ME]

Cooper sucked in 2000.  He only had 68 tackles in 9 games.  The fact that it was more than Leber and Pierce accumulated in 13 games is irrelevant.  Who cares that only one other player, Beisel, averaged more tackles per game.

[Kat Kid]

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/120200aaa.html

Smith had 8 receptions for 96 yards.

look at the 3 INT and th rest of the receiving distribution.  I think most of the Smith yards came on one long recept where he was caught from behind (verification).  There was one that was at least 30yrds if I remember anything.  Cooper got a really crappy assignment but I'm not sure that it was a bad strategy overall.

[chum1]

If Cooper knew he wasn't good enough for the scheme, it was his responsibility to tell Bennett.  If Bennett then leaves him on the field, then and only then is it Bennett's fault.  We all know, however, that a cocky SOB like Cooper never said a word.  It probably cost us a national championship just like in 2002 and 2003.

[michigancat]

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/120200aaa.html

Smith had 8 receptions for 96 yards.

look at the 3 INT and th rest of the receiving distribution.  I think most of the Smith yards came on one long recept where he was caught from behind (verification).  There was one that was at least 30yrds if I remember anything.  Cooper got a really crappy assignment but I'm not sure that it was a bad strategy overall.

At a minimum, we can agree that only a brainless mongoloid would consider the 00 CCG loss to be Cooper's fault.

[Kat Kid]

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/120200aaa.html

Smith had 8 receptions for 96 yards.

look at the 3 INT and th rest of the receiving distribution.  I think most of the Smith yards came on one long recept where he was caught from behind (verification).  There was one that was at least 30yrds if I remember anything.  Cooper got a really crappy assignment but I'm not sure that it was a bad strategy overall.

At a minimum, we can agree that only a brainless mongroid would consider the 00 CCG loss to be Cooper's fault.

QFT

Although perhaps much like an officer in the armed forces is sworn to uphold, protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC, Coop should've taken it upon himself to forgo all academic studies (studying, football  *pffffffft* ) and made up his own game plan to execute, abdicating his orders to ultimately save the Union (K-State).

[Kat Kid]

in other words, chum: don't stop believing bra.

[KSU4ME]

It's like hating on Tetuan.  Sure he sucked, but he was apparently the best we had available.

And if Cooper single handily lost the '00 CCG, then Tetuan single handily won the '03 CCG.

[Kat Kid]

It's like hating on Tetuan.  Sure he sucked, but he was apparently the best we had available.

And if Cooper single handily lost the '00 CCG, then Tetuan single handily won the '03 CCG.

No, that doesn't make sense at all.

Cooper was vastly superior to Tetuan (they also played different positions).

[KSU4ME]

If you can't blame Cooper for being put in positions he couldn't handle, how can you blame Tetuan for being put in positions he couldn't handle?

It's freaking Snyder's fault that we had to trot out a complete scrub like Tetuan as a starter for so long.

Only a complete moron would look at Tetuan on the field and get angry with someone other than the coach.

[Kat Kid]

If you can't blame Cooper for being put in positions he couldn't handle, how can you blame Tetuan for being put in positions he couldn't handle?

It's freaking Snyder's fault that we had to trot out a complete scrub like Tetuan as a starter for so long.

Only a complete moron would look at Tetuan on the field and get angry with someone other than the coach.

I guess it is ultimately the coach's fault for not recruiting better players but, Cooper was a run-stopper and a really good SS.  He was not able to cover a good TE on a complete island.  Few CBs in college do that, let alone SS.  So he was being used inappropriately.  I don't think anyone has a really strong case that Tetuan was being used by the coaching staff inappropriately, rather they had a problem with his talent level.  I guess that is ultimately Snyder's fault, but it is also Tetuan's for sucking and for his purportedly notorious 'lax' attitude toward conditioning etc.

[KSU4ME]

I would trade half of the guys on our roster for Coop, he was a huge playmaker, and for every blown coverage he gave us 3 TFLs.  Not to mention the lynch mob attitude.  But he was far from a complete safety, as excellent as he was at the LOS, he sucked just as hard dropping back.

Cooper was bad in coverage, period.  And when he was in position to make a play, he always dropped the INT.

Trent Smith was no superior athlete.  The guy has caught 3 NFL passes.  Is this the image of a killer TE?



It's also not as easy as saying Coop should have never been in a scheme that had him 1:1 with a TE.  LBs cover TEs on MANY plays.  If you always have to provide Cooper help with the TE in any passing situation, our attacking defense all of a sudden is a lot less attacking.  Are you going to put Carter and/or Tyler out there with no FS just because Coop can't cover the TE?  If you're not going to use another DB, you just lost numerical superiority in the pass rush.  Bob Stoops covered TEs 1:1 as DC when he was there, and no one complained. 

[michigancat]

If you're not going to use another DB, you just lost numerical superiority in the pass rush.

That was the thing with Bennett.  A smart DC would deal with losing pass rush every now and then. With Bennett, everyone knew it was balls to the walls on the pass rush pretty much every down.  It worked great against most teams, but Heupel was too good.

Rather than sacrificing a pass rush to give Coop or a CB some help from time-to-time, he pretty much told Stoops/Mangino/Heupel that Smith would be in single coverage, and they knew we didn't really have anyone that matched up with him very well, NFL stats nonwithstanding.

That said, it was really a pretty good defensive performance overall.  319 yards vs. the NC isn't bad at all.  Don't know if we could have done much better.  Our offense blew more than Coop.

[KSU4ME]

If you're not going to use another DB, you just lost numerical superiority in the pass rush.

That was the thing with Bennett.  A smart DC would deal with losing pass rush every now and then. With Bennett, everyone knew it was balls to the walls on the pass rush pretty much every down.  It worked great against most teams, but Heupel was too good.

Rather than sacrificing a pass rush to give Coop or a CB some help from time-to-time, he pretty much told Stoops/Mangino/Heupel that Smith would be in single coverage, and they knew we didn't really have anyone that matched up with him very well, NFL stats nonwithstanding.

That said, it was really a pretty good defensive performance overall.  319 yards vs. the NC isn't bad at all.  Our offense blew more than Coop.

Do you think the outcome of the game would have been different if Heupel had longer in the pocket?  I sure as heck don't.  Do you forget how bad their WRs torched us in October when Smith was limited to 14 yards?  Heupel had 374 passing in October with 0 INTs.  He had 220 yards and 3 picks in December.  If anything, the scheme was more effective in December.

[michigancat]

If you're not going to use another DB, you just lost numerical superiority in the pass rush.

That was the thing with Bennett.  A smart DC would deal with losing pass rush every now and then. With Bennett, everyone knew it was balls to the walls on the pass rush pretty much every down.  It worked great against most teams, but Heupel was too good.

Rather than sacrificing a pass rush to give Coop or a CB some help from time-to-time, he pretty much told Stoops/Mangino/Heupel that Smith would be in single coverage, and they knew we didn't really have anyone that matched up with him very well, NFL stats nonwithstanding.

That said, it was really a pretty good defensive performance overall.  319 yards vs. the NC isn't bad at all.  Our offense blew more than Coop.

Do you think the outcome of the game would have been different if Heupel had longer in the pocket?  I sure as heck don't.  Do you forget how bad their WRs torched us in October when Smith was limited to 14 yards?  Heupel had 374 passing in October with 0 INTs.  He had 220 yards and 3 picks in December.  If anything, the scheme was more effective in December.

Yeah, I pretty much agree...just throwing out ideas.

That said, it was really a pretty good defensive performance overall.  319 yards vs. the NC isn't bad at all. Don't know if we could have done much better.

[KSU4ME]

If Cooper had been even an average coverage SS, he'd be more than ST player in the league.  I'd love to have the next Cooper on the team, but you don't drop your defensive scheme to fit the SS.  Our front seven and 3 of 4 DBs were great in that scheme, and kicked butt with it. 

Props to Stoops for exploiting the holes in it, including calling the option with freakin Heupel when he knew we'd be looking elsewhere.

[Skipper44]

Do you think the outcome of the game would have been different if Heupel had longer in the pocket?  I sure as heck don't.  Do you forget how bad their WRs torched us in October when Smith was limited to 14 yards?  Heupel had 374 passing in October with 0 INTs.  He had 220 yards and 3 picks in December.  If anything, the scheme was more effective in December.

Remember, Heupel's arm was toast by December and OU was riding the defense to wins.  His arm was never that strong, but in the b12 champ and NC champ games he got by on smarts and guts only.