Looks Like the Atlanta Falcons needs a new QB.

[mjrod]

Vick indicted in Dog Fighting investigation.

[KungFoooKitty]

Vick indicted in Dog Fighting investigation.

Linky?

[KungFoooKitty]

[konofo]

They won't have to look far.



kono

[Pett]

Prince's Schaub looks awfully good right now.....

[catsfan20012002]

Too bad he's in Houston right now. Joey Harrington anyone?

[Pett]

Too bad he's in Houston right now. Joey Harrington anyone?

LOL, definately a no on Harrington. That is franchise suicide. Atleast Culpepper has had some success in the NFL.

[KSU4ME]

Too bad Bish is hurt.

[catsfan20012002]

How long until some road opponent blasts "Who Let the Dogs Out?" over the P.A. during a timeout when they're playing the Falcons?

[Pett]

Heard on the news last night that dogs were found stabbed, electrocuted, burned, & drowned at Vick's household



 

[fatty fat fat]

Good luck to Vick in fighting these charges.

I'll be cheering for him.

[Kat Kid]

dog fighting is big in Mexico.  Chances are I'll check it out.

I look forward to my time in the land of cock fights, dog fights and bull fights.

Humans totaly pWn Anmals LOL!!11

[chum1]

Doyel

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/10260902

[Kat Kid]

Don't give Doyel Due Process!

[konofo]

But he has been charged, and not just anywhere. He has been charged in federal court, and for those who don't know what that means, let me tell you: It means Vick is almost certainly guilty. According to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 99 percent of the people indicted by the federal government between 2000 and 2005 were convicted.

Did you catch that number? It was 99 percent. Guilty. How can that be? This is how: The U.S. government doesn't indict just anybody, and certainly wouldn't indict Vick or anyone else for headlines. The government is far too busy and far too cheap to waste its time and money pursuing a trial against a defendant that has even a remote chance of winning. The U.S. government only indicts you if it believes it can and will convict you.

That figure is pretty damn impressive, if true.

kono

[The Whale]

But he has been charged, and not just anywhere. He has been charged in federal court, and for those who don't know what that means, let me tell you: It means Vick is almost certainly guilty. According to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 99 percent of the people indicted by the federal government between 2000 and 2005 were convicted.

Did you catch that number? It was 99 percent. Guilty. How can that be? This is how: The U.S. government doesn't indict just anybody, and certainly wouldn't indict Vick or anyone else for headlines. The government is far too busy and far too cheap to waste its time and money pursuing a trial against a defendant that has even a remote chance of winning. The U.S. government only indicts you if it believes it can and will convict you.

That figure is pretty damn impressive, if true.

kono

qft

[ECN]

Pardon me for asking the obvious, but how good is Michael Vick? He runs a 4.3 second 40 yard dash and has moves that would make most running backs jealous, but exactly how effective of a quarterback is the guy? Annointed by most sports networks as the best thing to happen to pro football since Jim Brown, Vick has done little or nothing to provide supporters with any evidence that he can, indeed, be the leader of an NFL football team. In a way that only George Godsey or Dan Marino could embody, Vick has quickly turned into the most one dimensional signal caller in all of football.


In order to be overrated though, an athlete must be highly rated. While his stats do not concur with the media sensationalism and he has never led his team to the Super Bowl, networks such as ESPN annoint Vick as a hall of fame talent and worship his every move. His exit from Virginia Tech's Lane Stadium in a game earlier this year recieved more attention than Phillip Rivers and his baby. Wait, Phillip Rivers has a kid? I digress. When will the sports world and sports media realize what Michael Vick is? An average quarterback with a short NFL lifespan is all that he will amount to. One day, Vick's lucky star will come crashing down and once again, the running quarterback will go the way of the dinosaur. Until then, hold on tight and enjoy the "Michael Vick Experience".

[konofo]

Every time he puts together consecutive good games, ESPN pumps some more jet fuel into the hype machine and takes 'er for another spin.  Aggravating.

However, if you ever see him in person, you can't help but notice how every trip outside of the pocket brings an electricity to the crowd, home or away, preseason or playoffs.  There's always that anticipation and excitement, even if he's inconsistent.

Other than that, and the fact that his tenure already surpasses what I would consider "a short NFL lifespan," I have to agree with you.

kono

[chum1]

For each year that Vick's stats continue to suck, more and more television analysts are less sold on him as a legit quarterback.  Last year, a number of them were critical of the Falcons for getting rid of Schaub - not because of any off-field issues for Vick, but because they thought that Schaub was a better prospect at quarterback. 

[KSU4ME]

Remind me again what the Chiefs got for Trent Green.

And what Atlanta might give up now to have a legit starter.

[ECN]

chiefs got a 5th rounder.

[konofo]

Remind me again what the Chiefs got for Trent Green.

And what Atlanta might give up now to have a legit starter.

Interesting, but I don't know that Atlanta would give up much more than that for Green, if he were still with KC.  Miami might not have been in dire need, but they basically put himself all-in after passing up on Quinn and snubbing Daunte.  Even then, nobody else was offering more than that conditional fifth-rounder.  Atlanta does have Harrington to fall back on, which is a much better Plan B than, say, Cleo Lemon.

kono

[KSU4ME]

Green > Culpepper >> Harrington

[konofo]

Green > Culpepper >> Harrington

Culpepper's position in that hierarchy depends on his knee.  If he's fully recovered, he's roughly equivalent to Green, but if he still can't move, he might as well practice his clipboard-holding technique.

My point was that the Dolphins, after passing on Quinn and thoroughly alienating Culpepper, were likely in as bad of a quarterback situation with Cleo Lemon or John Beck as potential starters as Atlanta would be without Vick.  Expecting more from Atlanta than you got from Miami might be misguided.

kono

[KSU4ME]

You do realize that Culpepper was still with the Dolphins when they acquired Green, don't you?

Perhaps not.

Green was traded ~ June 6.

Culpepper was cut ~ July 17.

And the Dolphins didn't lock Culpepper out of minicamp until after Green passed the physical.

[konofo]

You do realize that Culpepper was still with the Dolphins when they acquired Green, don't you?

Perhaps not.

Green was traded ~ June 6.

Culpepper was cut ~ July 17.

And the Dolphins didn't lock Culpepper out of minicamp until after Green passed the physical.

With, but not with.  Their very public courting of Green, which had been going on since around March or April, revealed Cameron's complete lack of faith in Culpepper's health and/or fit in his scheme.  I don't think they were ever planning to keep him, frankly because they are idiots. 

Here is one of many articles on the rift.  I've been a Dolphins fan since the late 80s, and this was just another baffling move in the long, steady decline of the team since Marino retired.

kono

[KSU4ME]

Of course there was a rift.

But to suggest that if the Chiefs hadn't traded Green the Dolphins would have dumped Culpepper anyway is just sheer stupidity.

[konofo]

But to suggest that if the Chiefs hadn't traded Green the Dolphins would have dumped Culpepper anyway is just sheer stupidity.

I guess that's an indication of how unimpressed I am with the administration recently.  I think it was certainly within their realm of insanity.  Local opinion was that Daunte's chapter was closed as soon as Cameron replaced Saban.  I can't defend it.

kono

[KSU4ME]

Insane would have been dumping Culpepper before Green was sealed and medically cleared.

Keeping Culpepper not just after the trade, but after the medical exam is a clear indication that they weren't going into the season with Clemons.

[konofo]

Keeping Culpepper not just after the trade, but after the medical exam is a clear indication that they weren't going into the season with Clemons.

Actually, he was held because the Dolphins were convinced that they could coax a low draft pick from some team, such as the Jaguars.  Daunte's agent Daunte then sabotaged this plan by publicly stating that his client Daunte would block any trade, but would talk with the interested teams after his release, which was a fairly shrewd move.  He knew Miami was not going to pay $5.5m to lock up their backup quarterback.  It was a grade-A to the team who had brushed him aside, and the team responded by refusing to release him.

He was finally released only because his grievance hearing was scheduled for the next day, and trade offers had long since evaporated.

kono