Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?

[Pete]

The "TRUTH" of this thread has been pointed out by both sides.

If Keller were at ANY other Big 12 school, the Nubbs would be laughing at the prospect of that school winning a division.  The Keller experiment will get destroyed against USC, but it won't be that obvious since Cally will barely risk throwing the ball in his attempt to keep it close.  NU won't give Mizzou much of a run for the North.  Keller won't start in the bowl game (likely which will be at least a week earlier than New Year's Day).



Freeman has looked like dog crap the last three times he stepped on the field in front of paying customers.  Neither Josh nor his OL have given any real reason to expext improvement early in 2007.

Auburn WILL be his fourth consecutive disaster.  Josh may well have more TOs than First Downs. 

Prince will do seemingly nothing about that issue...We'll run the ball 50 times against San Jose State and win (ala OSU last year) a close one, we'll beat Missouri State Chump team handily.  Prince and his minions will cheer "See Josh is OK." 

One week off until Texas exacts mercilous revenge on Josh (another game with more TOs than First Downs).  We'll all wonder why our OL hasn't improved, and we'll all make up excuses about the new Juco guys just needing more time in the system.  Meanwhile, our poor defense will fight as hard as they can to keep us in games and Carson will keep shredding them in practice.  BUT...Josh will continue to be tall, handsome, and beautifully pronate with his hand at the end of throws.

[KSU4ME]

In Prince's defense, any time you get 7+ per carry, you should continue to run the ball.

[michigancat]

LOL @ counting the spring game.

[fatty fat fat]

Chill out about the spring game. My man "ksuno1stunner" summed it up best on the phog.net "gridiron" board

LOL, the playcalling was about as vanilla as it gets.  Plus our defense is ridiculous, and likely one of the best in the Big 12.

 

[KSU4ME]

LOL @ counting the spring game.

You can count spring game stats if the AD lists it as a W.

http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&KEY=&SPID=22&SPSID=3

[Pittcat]

Now that's a key victory!!   

[fatty fat fat]

LOL @ counting the spring game.

You can count spring game stats if the AD lists it as a W.

http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&KEY=&SPID=22&SPSID=3

http://www.aggieathletics.com/index.php?SID=MFB

[KSU4ME]

NOw that's a key victory!!   

It's pretty sweet.  Kills their SOS though.

[Pete]

LOL @ counting the spring game.

Paying customers are paying customers.  Did Josh look like crap or didn't he?  If the spring game had not followed two horrible outings, then it can be excused....but unfortunately it was another data point in a trend.

Exclude the spring game if you'd like, but I'll bet you big that he'll have a similar performance against Auburn.  Care to take that bet?

[KSU4ME]

Exclude the spring game if you'd like, but I'll bet you big that he'll have a similar performance against Auburn.  Care to take that bet?

You're on.  Josh was 9-22 for 44 yards.

I'll bet he averages better than 0.5 per attempt at Auburn.

[Pittcat]

Now that's a key victory!!   

It's pretty sweet.  Kills their SOS though.

Call the NCAA!  That W was fixed, Callatard knew what plays the losing team was going to use!!!

[michigancat]

LOL @ counting the spring game.

Paying customers are paying customers.  Did Josh look like @#%$ or didn't he?  If the spring game had not followed two horrible outings, then it can be excused....but unfortunately it was another data point in a trend.

Exclude the spring game if you'd like, but I'll bet you big that he'll have a similar performance against Auburn.  Care to take that bet?

LOL @ your "statistical" "trend" data.

[Pete]

You're on.  Josh was 9-22 for 44 yards.
I'll bet he averages better than 0.5 per attempt at Auburn.

Sure, take it literally for fun....but the TO to TD ratio will be similar, if not worse.  What would you call a "good game" by Josh against Auburn?

[Pete]

LOL @ your "statistical" "trend" data.

I call a "trend" two data points in a row, what do you call it?  What do you call THREE data points in a row?

Just to clarify....how do YOU think Josh has played the last three times there were paying fans in the seats?  Also, what reason do you have for implying he'll do better against Auburn?  Have any thoughts on those two items or just more "LOL" cop-outs? 

[michigancat]

LOL @ your "statistical" "trend" data.

I call a "trend" two data points in a row, what do you call it?  What do you call THREE data points in a row?

Just to clarify....how do YOU think Josh has played the last three times there were paying fans in the seats?  Also, what reason do you have for implying he'll do better against Auburn?  Have any thoughts on those two items or just more "LOL" cop-outs? 

I just think trying to identify a trend is silly.  ku had a great gameplan and we had a horrible OL, and were completely overmatched against a BCS-worthy team.  When he sucks against Auburn, it will because of an overmatched OL, not because of some mysterious trend that continued throughout the spring game.

[Pete]

I just think trying to identify a trend is silly.  ku had a great gameplan and we had a horrible OL, and were completely overmatched against a BCS-worthy team.  When he sucks against Auburn, it will because of an overmatched OL, not because of some mysterious trend that continued throughout the spring game.

So we have to wait until San Jose State to really evaluate Josh? 

[michigancat]

I just think trying to identify a trend is silly.  ku had a great gameplan and we had a horrible OL, and were completely overmatched against a BCS-worthy team.  When he sucks against Auburn, it will because of an overmatched OL, not because of some mysterious trend that continued throughout the spring game.

So we have to wait until San Jose State to really evaluate Josh? 

Honestly?  Yeah.

[Pittcat]

So what are you going to do if Josh performs surprisingly well against Auburn?  I'm not saying a win, but a good, solid, mature performance.

[michigancat]

So what are you going to do if Josh performs surprisingly well against Auburn?  I'm not saying a win, but a good, solid, mature performance.

Say, "Damn, the o-line has come a long way" or "great gameplan by Prince".

[KSU4ME]

Sure, take it literally for fun....but the TO to TD ratio will be similar, if not worse.  What would you call a "good game" by Josh against Auburn?

It's your bet, you set the line and I'll tell you if I'll take it.

Do you think Jeremy James will be the only RB to get carries for KSU at Auburn?

[michigancat]

I'd bet a billion dollars his TD:TO ratio won't be worse.

[Pete]

So what are you going to do if Josh performs surprisingly well against Auburn?  I'm not saying a win, but a good, solid, mature performance.

Say, "Damn, the o-line has come a long way" or "great gameplan by Prince".

I'd agree with that.

[Pete]

Do you think Jeremy James will be the only RB to get carries for KSU at Auburn?

Who?

[KSU4ME]

Do you think Jeremy James will be the only RB to get carries for KSU at Auburn?

Who?

How can you bag on Josh's Spring performance if you don't know the name of his only RB during that game?

And it's Mr. Jeremy James to you.

[michigancat]

Do you think Jeremy James will be the only RB to get carries for KSU at Auburn?

Who?

How can you bag on Josh's Spring performance if you don't know the name of his only RB during that game?

And it's Mr. Jeremy James to you.

LOL.

Nice.

[ksuno1stunner]

Do you think Jeremy James will be the only RB to get carries for KSU at Auburn?

Who?

How can you bag on Josh's Spring performance if you don't know the name of his only RB during that game?

And it's Mr. Jeremy James to you.

Is he the Grambling dude?

[Pete]

How can you bag on Josh's Spring performance if you don't know the name of his only RB during that game?

And it's Mr. Jeremy James to you.

Man, you got me.

I know who his running backs against ku and Rutgers were...do I still get to bag on those performances?

Josh would have been nails in the spring game if he'd only had a good running back....never mind his receivers being Jordy and Gonzalez (two most seasoned receivers) and TE being Norwood (most seasoned TE).  Yep, you got with the RB.  

[waks]

How can you bag on Josh's Spring performance if you don't know the name of his only RB during that game?

And it's Mr. Jeremy James to you.

Man, you got me.

I know who his running backs against ku and Rutgers were...do I still get to bag on those performances?

Josh would have been nails in the spring game if he'd only had a good running back....never mind his receivers being Jordy and Gonzalez (two most seasoned receivers) and TE being Norwood (most seasoned TE).  Yep, you got with the RB.   

Curious. Do you know who his receivers were in the ku game?

[KSU4ME]

I don't know how Josh would have performed with a full complement of starters around him.  I think it's safe to say "better."

I do know that trying to read a bunch into a Spring Game can make you look like a fool.

Ell Roberson taught me that in the 2001 season.  Jeff Schwinn reminded me a few years later.

With a hodge-podge OL and a RB that was pulled right out of the stands....

Here are some things I really don't expect to happen at Auburn:

1.  Freeman to handoff to Jeremy James
2.  Corey Schultz to be on the receiving end of Freeman passes
3.  Zach Lucas to play, let alone start on OL
4.  Matt Wykes to lead the team in receiving yardage

I could go on, but I'll respect your intelligence and assume that you've gotten the point.

[Pete]

Curious. Do you know who his receivers were in the ku game?

Wait, are we arguing recievers or running backs?  Jordy, Mastrud and Norwood were his leading WRs.