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Who has more career wins as a Division 1 Starting QB?

Josh Freeman- True Sophomore
25 (59.5%)
Sam Keller- 5th Year Sr.
3 (7.1%)
It's a Tie
14 (33.3%)

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July 14, 2007, 10:36:24 PM
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July 14, 2007, 11:23:23 PM
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July 15, 2007, 11:03:48 AM
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The tricky part of the question is because Keller won vs. Purdue in the 2004 Sun Bowl. So here are the amazing savior Sam Keller's wins in his "illustrious" career.


2004 vs. Purdue (7-5) Sun Bowl
2005 vs. Temple (0-11)
2005 vs. Northwestern (7-5)
2005 @ Oregon State (5-6)

Keller has a grand total of 8 career starts (4-4). Admittedly he had some pretty sick numbers before getting hurt in 2005. Problem is Freshman Rudy Carpenter had much, much better numbers (in 2 fewer starts) when Keller got hurt. It should also be noted they had a very good WR corps, including one of the best WR in the nation in Derek Hagan.

...............CMP......ATT......YDS......CMP%....YDS/A......TD......INT......RATING
Rudy Carpenter..156......228.....2273.......68.4.........9.97.......17.......2.........175.0
Sam Keller.........155......264.....2165.......58.7.........8.20.......20.......9.........145.8

I'd say there is a hell of a lot of hype coming from up north for a guy with 4 wins in his 4 year career.
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July 15, 2007, 11:09:03 AM
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...............CMP......ATT......YDS......CMP%....YDS/A......TD......INT......RATING
Rudy Carpenter..156......228.....2273.......68.4.........9.97.......17.......2.........175.0
Sam Keller.........155......264.....2165.......58.7.........8.20.......20.......9.........145.8

LOL, no wonder why Sam transferred.

July 15, 2007, 12:11:40 PM
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Nice spin job. Lets see Soul Glo pass for 450 on LSU and 350 on USC. Then come talk. Arizona State had no offensive line, no running game and no defense to compliment Sam. And Rudy didn't play against anyone with a pulse after Keller injured his thumb.
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SportsNation Lawrence Jackson: It definitely has to be Vince Young, because he can pass and run the ball, so you have to be alert on defense. As far as passing quarterback, I have to say Sam Keller or Brady Quinn.


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WORLD-HERALD BUREAU

LINCOLN - Year Four of Bill Callahan's revolutionary era at Nebraska got a dose of intrigue Wednesday.

With apologies to the Huskers' 2006 campaign, which begins nine days from today, Sam Keller's addition abruptly shifts attention to September 2007, if only for a few days.

National experts find Nebraska the trendy pick this fall to rise above the mediocre heap in the Big 12 North. Don't be surprised if talk next August shifts to NU unseating Oklahoma and Texas while challenging for a national title.

"Not only did they find a ringer, so to speak, they got a fifth-year senior (in 2007) who's proven himself at the highest level," said SI.com college football columnist Stewart Mandel.

"To have that kind of kid walk in to your program with his ability, they've got to be ecstatic," said Northwestern defensive coordinator Greg Colby, who watched a year ago as Keller torched his defense for 409 yards and four touchdowns. "Everybody hopes somebody like that walks in the door."

Keller, projected as a first-round NFL draft pick by some publications, may tout the highest profile of any transfer in the country. Add him to Callahan's depth chart, in which most playmakers are sophomores and juniors, and NU could be poised to complete its resurgence in '07.

That season's roster is far from etched in stone, but it may improve from '06 at every position except defensive line, where the team figures to lose four starters, including All-America candidate Adam Carriker.

A deep, skillful linebacking corps will be a year older. A suspect secondary should get Zack Bowman back, while newcomers like Andre Jones, Rickey Thenarse, Major Culbert and Anthony West will have had time to mature.

On offense, four young, dynamic running backs are expected to return. The same goes for each of the top receivers. Meanwhile, Dennis Wagner will have had another year to develop his young tackles and build depth.

The biggest 2007 question mark before Wednesday: quarterback. Joe Ganz and transfer Brian Hildebrand seemed destined to compete for the job after Harrison Beck left the program this month.

But Keller's addition replaces the question mark with an exclamation point, according to coaches who have faced him. The 6-foot-4, 230-pounder may affect Nebraska's hopes in 2007 the same way Rhett Bomar's departure damaged Oklahoma's chances this season.

"I didn't see any asians in his armor," said Colby, the Northwestern coordinator. "He's got the physical tools to be a great one."


Northwestern faced every Big 10 school but Minnesota and Indiana a year ago. Keller, according to Colby, is a better pure passer than Ohio State's Troy Smith and Iowa's Drew Tate. He reminds Colby of Michigan's Chad Henne in terms of size and talent. But Henne didn't have Keller's numbers.

By all accounts, Keller throws with power and precision.

"He was just playing at a really high level," said Oregon State defensive coordinator Mark Banker, whose defense allowed 365 yards and four touchdowns during Keller's September 2005 blitz. "He knew where to go with it, and he delivered it."

Banker said Keller has the intangibles, too.

"He's got pocket presence," Banker said. "He's a tough kid. He can get whacked and handle the blitz. He'll find a way to get it done."


Callahan's West Coast offense helped attract Keller to Lincoln. Mandel said Keller will be "an interesting litmus test" for the West Coast offense. Many skeptics say the West Coast is too sophisticated for the college game.

"If Sam Keller struggles in it, that tells you it's too complicated," Mandel said.

Colby said it would be difficult for a quarterback to pick up the West Coast in just one year, but Nebraska shouldn't worry about Keller's intelligence.

"When you watch him, he made all the right decisions," Colby said. "There weren't many times he threw to the wrong spot."

Banker, the Oregon State coordinator, said a lot of young quarterbacks who haven't played in intricate systems freeze up at the first sniff of complexity. They anticipate a blitz and look for the closest run audible.

"He's just been exposed to more," Banker said. "He knows defenses. He knows how to recognize a two-deep, whether it's a squat corner or a press corner."


That knowledge base should expedite Keller's learning process. Many quarterbacks during a transfer year would split time between learning the offense, studying coverages and mastering fundamentals. Keller can focus on the playbook.

"He'll have a step up on most kids," Banker said.

July 15, 2007, 12:14:31 PM
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Nice spin job. Lets see Soul Glo pass for 450 on LSU and 350 on USC. Then come talk.

The truth is that your are hurt because you wish Freeman went to Nebraska. But since he went to KSU, you had to settle for Keller.
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July 15, 2007, 12:17:10 PM
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Nice spin job. Lets see Soul Glo pass for 450 on LSU and 350 on USC. Then come talk. Arizona State had no offensive line, no running game and no defense to compliment Sam. And Rudy didn't play against anyone with a pulse after Keller injured his thumb.

why are you bringing up LSU and USC when Keller didn't win those games?  Freeman passed for 280 on Tejas and got the W...something a Nebraska QB has not done since a soph. Crouch...Taylor didn't do it either.

Anything else?

PS, I didn't read a bit of the jargon you posted afterwards.  LOL...uh, good for LSU and USC or whatever and kudos to your finding quotes from a kid who was a soph. DE when he faced him.  Freakin' hilarious.


July 15, 2007, 02:52:23 PM
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July 15, 2007, 03:44:19 PM
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Has it really been 2 years since he has played in an actual game!?!

July 15, 2007, 03:54:45 PM
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LOL @ Sam Keller.  More like Helen Keller!   :loly:

July 15, 2007, 04:03:41 PM
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Nice spin job. Lets see Soul Glo pass for 450 on LSU and 350 on USC. Then come talk. Arizona State had no offensive line, no running game and no defense to compliment Sam. And Rudy didn't play against anyone with a pulse after Keller injured his thumb.

why are you bringing up LSU and USC when Keller didn't win those games?  Freeman passed for 280 on Tejas and got the W...something a Nebraska QB has not done since a soph. Crouch...Taylor didn't do it either.

Anything else?

PS, I didn't read a bit of the jargon you posted afterwards.  LOL...uh, good for LSU and USC or whatever and kudos to your finding quotes from a kid who was a soph. DE when he faced him.  Freakin' hilarious.



He played with a far worse cast of characters at ASU than he'll have at Nebraska this year. He'll actually have an OL, running game and defense at Nebraska. Keller has also said there's no comparison in the kind of strength and conditioning work done at Nebraska and at Arizona State. Yeah Freeman did great against Texas-how did he do against Kansas? How did he look in your spring game?

Yeah Jackson made the quote at the beginning of his junior season last year. Nevermind that he puts Keller on the same level as Brady Quinn-the guy who was just a high draft pick of the Browns. Keep spinning. Freeman doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as a guy who will be a 1st round pick next year. 

July 15, 2007, 04:20:16 PM
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Nice spin job. Lets see Soul Glo pass for 450 on LSU and 350 on USC. Then come talk. Arizona State had no offensive line, no running game and no defense to compliment Sam. And Rudy didn't play against anyone with a pulse after Keller injured his thumb.

why are you bringing up LSU and USC when Keller didn't win those games?  Freeman passed for 280 on Tejas and got the W...something a Nebraska QB has not done since a soph. Crouch...Taylor didn't do it either.

Anything else?

PS, I didn't read a bit of the jargon you posted afterwards.  LOL...uh, good for LSU and USC or whatever and kudos to your finding quotes from a kid who was a soph. DE when he faced him.  Freakin' hilarious.



He played with a far worse cast of characters at ASU than he'll have at Nebraska this year. He'll actually have an OL, running game and defense at Nebraska. Keller has also said there's no comparison in the kind of strength and conditioning work done at Nebraska and at Arizona State. Yeah Freeman did great against Texas-how did he do against Kansas? How did he look in your spring game?

Yeah Jackson made the quote at the beginning of his junior season last year. Nevermind that he puts Keller on the same level as Brady Quinn-the guy who was just a high draft pick of the Browns. Keep spinning. Freeman doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as a guy who will be a 1st round pick next year. 

Kiper called Freeman the best young QB in the Big 12.  He will be a higher pick than Helen Keller <---- LOL!!!!

July 15, 2007, 04:21:45 PM
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Keller's teammates hated him playing for them and hated him as a person fwiw.
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July 15, 2007, 04:29:03 PM
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He played with a far worse cast of characters at ASU than he'll have at Nebraska this year. He'll actually have an OL, running game and defense at Nebraska. Keller has also said there's no comparison in the kind of strength and conditioning work done at Nebraska and at Arizona State. Yeah Freeman did great against Texas-how did he do against Kansas? How did he look in your spring game?

Yeah Jackson made the quote at the beginning of his junior season last year. Nevermind that he puts Keller on the same level as Brady Quinn-the guy who was just a high draft pick of the Browns. Keep spinning. Freeman doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as a guy who will be a 1st round pick next year. 

It's an LOL fiesta!!

Yep, I trust those words by some player just like I believed Terence Newman when interviewed by the press said the best QB he faced was Chris Simms..(cough, he played against Carson Palmer).

Yep, Keller had crap talent to work w/...like Hagan at receiver and the TE who just went high in the draft.  Lollers.

get real ya tard.


July 15, 2007, 04:33:04 PM
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He played with a far worse cast of characters at ASU than he'll have at Nebraska this year. He'll actually have an OL, running game and defense at Nebraska. Keller has also said there's no comparison in the kind of strength and conditioning work done at Nebraska and at Arizona State. Yeah Freeman did great against Texas-how did he do against Kansas? How did he look in your spring game?

Yeah Jackson made the quote at the beginning of his junior season last year. Nevermind that he puts Keller on the same level as Brady Quinn-the guy who was just a high draft pick of the Browns. Keep spinning. Freeman doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as a guy who will be a 1st round pick next year. 

It's an LOL fiesta!!

Yep, I trust those words by some player just like I believed Terence Newman when interviewed by the press said the best QB he faced was Chris Simms..(cough, he played against Carson Palmer).

Yep, Keller had crap talent to work w/...like Hagan at receiver and the TE who just went high in the draft.  Lollers.

get real ya tard.



Did you even read what I said d-bag? I said he had no OL, no defense and no running game. Where did I say anything about skill position WRs and TEs?

July 15, 2007, 04:33:40 PM
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Yep, I trust those words by some player just like I believed Terence Newman when interviewed by the press said the best QB he faced was Chris Simms..(cough, he played against Carson Palmer).

LOL. Good memory.

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July 15, 2007, 04:34:01 PM
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Keller's teammates hated him playing for them and hated him as a person fwiw.

Yeah that's why he was unanimously voted a team captain-twice. Tool. Way to get your facts straight.

July 15, 2007, 04:34:59 PM
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Keller was friggin kicked out of ASU.

Enough said. The guys has HUGE character issues.
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July 15, 2007, 04:39:27 PM
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Keller was friggin kicked out of ASU.

Enough said. The guys has HUGE character issues.

LOL @ kicked out of ASU. Do you write Harry Potter books too? Let me try writing your kind of garbage:

Prince was fired from Virginia. Al Groh blamed him for the inept and horrible offensive problems at UVA.

July 15, 2007, 04:41:44 PM
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Prince was fired from Virginia. Al Groh blamed him for the inept and horrible offensive problems at UVA.


Dude, you should build a "LOL" store or something, because you are the best at producing LOL moments.


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July 15, 2007, 04:42:50 PM
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Will someone please post one of the thousand links regarding Keller and his teammates' complete lack of confidence in him as a quarterback and a leader. Thanks.

July 15, 2007, 04:46:54 PM
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Good posts Maxell. Don't mind the idiots here, they'll rationalize anyway they have to, to avoid accepting that their teams sucks, and has no prayer of even competing with Nebraska. Just wait until Keller torches their defense for 400+ yards and multiple TDs.

Just a tip for the homosexual purple clad K-State losers. I hear crow is better with a little mayo.
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July 15, 2007, 04:55:52 PM
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Yep, I trust those words by some player just like I believed Terence Newman when interviewed by the press said the best QB he faced was Chris Simms..(cough, he played against Carson Palmer).

LOL. Good memory.

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Not to mention some of the other QB's he faced...but lol at believing what a player says about some opponent. 

Kareem Kelly on Terence Newman, "I play against better corners in the Pac-10".

According to Maxell...them words = oak.


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Just a tip for the homosexual purple clad K-State losers.

I wasn't going to mention this because I don't think there is anything wrong with it but you are aware that Keller is a known homosexual right?  Go ask the ASU message boards and they will fill you in on the details.  This has been known for some time fwiw.
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July 16, 2007, 08:14:33 AM
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Other things being equal, we would be way more excited to have Keller at KSU than this guy is to have him at Nebraska.

July 16, 2007, 08:23:50 AM
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In much the same way that Zac Taylor was helped out by NU's offensive line and running game..Keller will depend on the same thing. Period.  Keller will be decent for NU as the starter this year...but he won't be any more flashy than Zac Taylor.

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He'll actually have an OL, running game and defense at Nebraska. 

Jeez, NU will have an all-everything QB in Keller, AND a good OL, running game, and defense? What excuse will they have when they don't win the Big XII, let alone the NC?  :jerkoff:

July 16, 2007, 11:33:03 AM
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Yeah that's why he was unanimously voted a team captain-twice. Tool. Way to get your facts straight.


And those votes can't be encouraged or swayed by the coaches?  If you believe they aren't on ANY team then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

July 16, 2007, 11:39:19 AM
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Prince was fired from Virginia. Al Groh blamed him for the inept and horrible offensive problems at UVA.


Dude, you should build a "LOL" store or something, because you are the best at producing LOL moments.


 :lol: :lol: :lol:

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July 16, 2007, 11:48:32 AM
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Sam Keller "Tore up" the UNL scout team all last season.  And we all know that UNL scout team could win the North.  They just weren't offered schollies elsewhere.