'08 Recruiting

[power4PURPLE]

First off, saw this on Rivals today concerning Keanon Cooper.....

{ Cooper says that he doesn't have any favorites, but has a large list of schools he's looking at strongly.

"I'm just in the process of starting to eliminate schools to get it down for my five official visits," Cooper said. "On my list right now is Minnesota, Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Alabama, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and West Virginia. Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

"Everyone else isn't out of it, but I'm looking at those pretty hard right now."  }

It would suck not getting him. He could have huge upside and he could play early in '08. But what really gets to me is the type of people we have offers on the table for. Of course Arthur is probably out of the picture, but some of the things he hit on about wanting to see what kind of talent people are bringing in, it's surely not helping us. We have offers to only 3 4star recruits and only a few more out there for 3star recruits. Why not roll the dice and express interest in some more talented players??? Why the love for all these 2star guys that may or may not turn out to be worth it...or even better, the 8 million offers we keep giving to "athletes". I'm a little lost on just what Prince and Co. are doing out on the recruiting trail. Maybe this is evident to more than just me....

[tmramrod91]

We're all lost.
He thinks he can recruit athletes and turn them into great football players. That can be done in some cases, but not entire recruiting classes. Players are highly rated and have big time offers for a reason.
RP  in 4 years

[doom]

He's had one season and in that one season he exceeded expectations.  I think he knows more than you, your being lost does not concern me, and you should give him a chance.

[tmramrod91]

He's had one season and in that one season he exceeded expectations.  I think he knows more than you, your being lost does not concern me, and you should give him a chance.

He knows more than I do, but does he know more than every major college coach in the nation? I know he's scary smart, but there has to be some reason why some of the kids he is offering arent be offered by other major D1 schools.

[enjoytheNeujahr]

  Kids can be coached, year one was a definite success, we shall see.

[KungFoooKitty]

 All Hail McFantastic Whiteymcrecruiterness.....oh sweet hesus we suck.  I guess I am one of those joyful naysayers who see our class not as a beautiful class of diamonds in the rough but rather a bunch of kids that no other &@#%ing school would consider want is the &@#%ing problem with our school and our god damn recruiting mother &@#% mc&@#%er &@#%enstein.  damn it all to hell.

[Leyton]

We have offers to only 3 4star recruits and only a few more out there for 3star recruits.

Wait - are you serious?  Consider the following possibilities:

1. The KSU coaching staff and/or the players they've offered have not told Rivals.com every little detail about every recruitment process (little details could include a totally awesome player with a gazillion stars totally not even remembering that Ron Prince sent him a hand-written thank you note thanking him for being so awesome).
2. Our coaches are going to great lengths to avoid signing any talented players so that they can compile one of the worst BCS recruiting classes of all time.

Hmm...

[Pett]

LOL, I remember all of us about a month or so ago thinking that we had a great shot at landing the Skyline trio of Reeves, Cooper, & Dupree.

Those were the days....

We're now open to a whole different recruiting scheme. 

[KSUTOMMY]

He's had one season and in that one season he exceeded expectations.  I think he knows more than you, your being lost does not concern me, and you should give him a chance.

THANK YOU! We are the best coaches that we know on Saturdays while we sit in the easy chair and tip back a cold one and second guess as we watch the replay 5 thousand times and ask, "What if". What it boils down to it that starts dont mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Let's put this into perspective-
Marc Dunn Highest rated JUCO QB in the country - all everything, came to KSU, sucked - showed spots of greatness, but overall... not good

2 star recruit, Salina, KS, originally committed to ku with Terry (what's his name, coach before Jabba the Hutt), we got him to commit to us and he turned out to be the 4th overall draft in the NFL - Terrance Newman.

Stars mean little to nothing, but to give teams like USC more headlines. BTW what happened to the second coming of top qbs Marc "Dirty" Sanchez? he was supposed to be awesome too... I am not sure if he has started yet or not. Oh speaking of Marcs what also happened to Marc Dunn? Last I saw he was in NFL Europe.

Anyway, lets let Prince do his thing, and we can all do our thing - drink beer and root for our guys.

[FBWillie]

Why didn't someone bring this m. dunn / t. newman argument to the table sooner.  I've completely flip flopped.

 

P.S. Marc Dunn's wife was(prob still is) hot. 

[steve dave]

P.S. Marc Dunn's wives were(prob still are) hot. 

Fixed your post

[fatty fat fat]

P.S. Marc Dunn's wives were(prob still are) hot. 

Fixed your post

 

[asava]

Stars mean little to nothing, but to give teams like USC more headlines.

headlines that read: This is the 4th Undefeated Season USC has had in the last 5 years.

or

USC In the Title Game...AGAIN!

or

USC National Champions

or

Trojans Demolish (insert team name here)

those are the headlines i think you were talking about.

[power4PURPLE]

He's had one season and in that one season he exceeded expectations.  I think he knows more than you, your being lost does not concern me, and you should give him a chance.

THANK YOU! We are the best coaches that we know on Saturdays while we sit in the easy chair and tip back a cold one and second guess as we watch the replay 5 thousand times and ask, "What if". What it boils down to it that starts dont mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Let's put this into perspective-
Marc Dunn Highest rated JUCO QB in the country - all everything, came to KSU, sucked - showed spots of greatness, but overall... not good

2 star recruit, Salina, KS, originally committed to ku with Terry (what's his name, coach before Jabba the Hutt), we got him to commit to us and he turned out to be the 4th overall draft in the NFL - Terrance Newman.

Stars mean little to nothing, but to give teams like USC more headlines. BTW what happened to the second coming of top qbs Marc "Dirty" Sanchez? he was supposed to be awesome too... I am not sure if he has started yet or not. Oh speaking of Marcs what also happened to Marc Dunn? Last I saw he was in NFL Europe.

Anyway, lets let Prince do his thing, and we can all do our thing - drink beer and root for our guys.

sure, we could go and find guys that are ranked terribly on Rivals who turn out to be great Wildcats...
'02- Marcus Watts (2stars)
'05- Gary Chandler (2stars) & Zach Diles (NR)
'06- Josh Moore (2stars)

but for those few that do stand out, there are all the others that fail miserably. go ahead, look for yourself and try to prove to me other less than stellar prospects that turned out big on the field...
'03- Greg Gaskins Jr. & John McCardle
'04- Justin D'Arcy & Lester Graham & Romunn Grigsby
'05- Chad Lowe & Brandon Rees & Val Taylor & Courtney Greer
'06- Trevor Viers & Patrick Turner & Kenneth Mayfield & Jamal Schulters & TONY PURVIS

let's be honest here. i'm not saying don't offer to anything less than 3stars. but i am saying that don't try and prove to us how you can mold all these guys into D1 players. go out, extend some offers to some better players, and if we end up with a crapty class, oh well- we tried! plus, all i ever hear is about how when guys come here, whether they commit or not, they love how respectful and down to earth our coaching staff is. personally, i think we have a better shot at talent than Prince and his staff think they do.     

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Wasn't recruiting high profile black athletes supposed to be his STRENGTH?

[power4PURPLE]

haha, supposedly...if we wanted that we should of snagged an SEC assistant. but until i see another recruiting class, i'm gonna try to keep my mouth shut on prince and his staff's abilities

[fatty fat fat]

Our recruiting is awful, barring any sort of miracle or a change in players we recruit, we will never be more than an 8 win team, imo.

[steve dave]

i'm gonna try to keep my mouth shut on prince and his staff's abilities

Not me.  I agree with Fatty.  As long as the ship is sinking I am going to scream at the Captain for hitting the God damned iceberg.

[michigancat]

He's Al Groh w/o the talent.

1) Al Groh, Virginia: Matt Schaub. D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Heath Miller. Ahmad Brooks. Groh has produced his share of talent in Charlottesville. So what does he have to show for it? A 25-23 ACC record and a whole bunch of Christmas dinners in Charlotte and Boise.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/07/10/mailbag/1.html

[fatty fat fat]

He's Al Groh w/o the talent.

1) Al Groh, Virginia: Matt Schaub. D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Heath Miller. Ahmad Brooks. Groh has produced his share of talent in Charlottesville. So what does he have to show for it? A 25-23 ACC record and a whole bunch of Christmas dinners in Charlotte and Boise.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/07/10/mailbag/1.html

 Prince?

[power4PURPLE]

if we want talent, I'VE FOUND IT FOR Prince!!!

first off, we need some bad mamma jamma's on the defensive line for the future. and by bad mamma jamma's, i'm looking for something simliar to this...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HaK_TArMLfM&mode=related&search=

personally, i think this guy will do in place of john henderson, but it sounds like we're not putting enough heat on him. why? i don't know...
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=66246

and as for offense, why not an addition like this to the backfield with Leon (if we can pry him away from Nebraska)...
http://jucojunction.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=66322&sport=1

finally, there was one player who slipped under everybody's radar and if somebody can tell me how or why, i'm interested...cuz his film is way too good for him not to commit anywhere...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NmNVYxHodSc

but if we're looking for the future on the defensive side to continue the lynch mob mentality, why not head to south and offer TREY FENNELL RIGHT NOW!!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJp-sg5vJa0

[Bullfn33]

Our recruiting is awful, barring any sort of miracle or a change in players we recruit, we will never be more than an 8 win team, imo.

And neither will Mizzou even though their recruiting is much better so how do recruiting stars determine everything?  Answer is, they don't.  Only some things.  People just need to give Prince a chance and worry about what happens on the field and not so much on rivals.com.  Then we would be like "the future is so bright because we see stars on rivals.com" Nebraska fans but forget their coach still sucks so bad he can't beat a top 20 team with top 10 recruiting classes after year 3.  It's all about the guy in the head chair.  We don't know about Prince yet, but at this point, I would venture to say he's already ahead of Pinkel and Callahan, both of who are recruiting much better according to rivals.com(which is apparently the bible of college football success).  BTW, 5 stars are the most reliable prospects.  There are very few of them and there are still busts every year. 

All I'm saying is give the guy a chance, a few more years before everyone starts yelling that the sky is falling on the program.  That's probably way too much to ask these days but that should be the reality.

[FBWillie]

What's your goal with KSU football?  I don't know about you, but I want a &@#%ing NC.  Name one NC team that didn't have a top 25 recruiting class.

[Pete]

He's had one season and in that one season he exceeded expectations. 

Bull crap.

Matt Miller could have been the head coach last year and we would have won 6 games.  Does winning the 7th game excuse his "unique" approaches to things?

Ron may turn out great, but he has not proved a thing....other than proving that Ron/Josh Freeman and Lamark Brown like him.

[goCATSgo]

you are not ever gonna  be a top 15 team w/o great recruiting classes PERIOD. if rivals was rating players in the 90s we would have had a bunch of 4 and 5 star people. if you could consistently win with 2*s and NO*s then Boise State would be in the NC every year. Bottom line is Prince needs to step up his recruiting game up a little. what does it hurt to offer good players, just dont count on them commiting and have a backup recruit.

[Bullfn33]

you are not ever gonna  be a top 15 team w/o great recruiting classes PERIOD. if rivals was rating players in the 90s we would have had a bunch of 4 and 5 star people. if you could consistently win with 2*s and NO*s then Boise State would be in the NC every year. Bottom line is Prince needs to step up his recruiting game up a little. what does it hurt to offer good players, just dont count on them commiting and have a backup recruit.

But you can be a top 30 type of team w/o stellar classes.  It's a process.  Of all fanbases, Kansas State's should know about building processes.  Snyder built up to getting those 4-5 star quality players by the mid to late 90s.  He didn't get them in his first 5 seasons.  Some don't seem to understand that you can't just roll in a bunch of 4-5 star players when you don't have great tradition, are located in an isolated part of the country and have been a doormat for a couple years*.  Winning on the field is the only way for this to start happening again.  You become a top 30 type of team and you can bet it will be much easier to pull some of those guys in and THEN you will have a chance to be a top 15 team. 


*unless you are Ron Zook; and god knows what's going on there.

[mjrod]

you are not ever gonna  be a top 15 team w/o great recruiting classes PERIOD. if rivals was rating players in the 90s we would have had a bunch of 4 and 5 star people. if you could consistently win with 2*s and NO*s then Boise State would be in the NC every year. Bottom line is Prince needs to step up his recruiting game up a little. what does it hurt to offer good players, just dont count on them commiting and have a backup recruit.

Rich Rodriguez wants a word with you.

[mjrod]

Stars are extremely subjective and every team has different philosophies in selecting players for their program.

Would I love to have every four and five star player consider and accept an offer from K-State.   That's not possible.  West Virginia has never had consistent top 25 classes (if hardly at all).

Utah under Urban Meyer.. where were his classes?   There are many factors, that determine success to any team, but you cannot assume that if we had a boat load of 5 star talent, we'd win NC's year in and year out.   Goodness knows that it took one very good 5 star QB to get Texas to an NC game.   Texas averaged 4 star talent on the field when we beat them.  We had what.. two?

So to be clear, do we want the top talent around the country?  Absolutely.  Could you build an NC team with them?  Not unless you had a good enough coach.    I wonder how many KSU 2 and 3 stars are playing in the NFL right now.   At the same time, how many four and five star kids have we had that washed out of our program?

It just depends on who's doing the evaluating.

[Slick]

This is what an underrated recruit looks like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo6t70x4f2E

[fb]

you are not ever gonna  be a top 15 team w/o great recruiting classes PERIOD. if rivals was rating players in the 90s we would have had a bunch of 4 and 5 star people. if you could consistently win with 2*s and NO*s then Boise State would be in the NC every year. Bottom line is Prince needs to step up his recruiting game up a little. what does it hurt to offer good players, just dont count on them commiting and have a backup recruit.

Sincerely,
Louisville, West Virginia, Rutgers, and Boise State