put on a happy face..

[Pett]

I'd take Carter's NFL career.

Paychecks as well.

No, you still dont get it. The players that weren't crossed off the list were the players who actually played a role on a NFL team for atleast a good 2-3 years.

[acceleration_man]

I remember watching the team in '02 and basically licking my chops when the opponent set up for the run. Our rush defense was AMAZING that year. Plus... T-New in the secondary 

[fatty fat fat]

the most talented secondary we had was 2000.

Cornerback

starters
Butler - drafted and still in league
Carter - not drafted but made several teams for a few years as free agent

depth
Newman - duh (lol at Tennessee in Cotton when Carter got hurt...2nd stringer even better)
Faggins - drafted and I believe still w/ Texans
Tyler - outstanding for nickel and a VERY underrated player for us


Safety

starters
McGraw - drafted and now w/ Chiefs
Cooper - drafted and now w/ Raiders

depth
Yates - very solid back up
Proctor - very solid as a back up

of course, we still got torched by OU.

bennett = massivly overrated

[KSU4ME]

I'd take Carter's NFL career.

Paychecks as well.

No, you still dont get it. The players that weren't crossed off the list were the players who actually played a role on a NFL team for atleast a good 2-3 years.

Slow down rain man.

Carter = "actually played a role on a NFL team for atleast a good 2-3 years"

You crossed him off your list.

Got it yet?

[The Manhatter]

the most talented secondary we had was 2000.

Cornerback

starters
Butler - drafted and still in league
Carter - not drafted but made several teams for a few years as free agent

depth
Newman - duh (lol at Tennessee in Cotton when Carter got hurt...2nd stringer even better)
Faggins - drafted and I believe still w/ Texans
Tyler - outstanding for nickel and a VERY underrated player for us


Safety

starters
McGraw - drafted and now w/ Chiefs
Cooper - drafted and now w/ Raiders

depth
Yates - very solid back up
Proctor - very solid as a back up

of course, we still got torched by OU.

bennett = massivly overrated

I still get pissed thinking about the all out blitz w/ Heupel calmly hitting Fagan over the middle on a screen play.  Easy as hell and the OU coaches laughing their asses off.  We wasted so much talent on that team in those OU games. 

[Pett]

Soo what you're saying was that Dyshod actually made an impact for an NFL team?? 

[michigancat]

I still get pissed thinking about the all out blitz w/ Heupel calmly hitting Fagan over the middle on a screen play.  Easy as hell and the OU coaches laughing their asses off.  We wasted so much talent on that team in those OU games. 

Still, most QB's couldn't take hits like Heupel did in those games and still stay in the pocket to just take more hits.  He deserves a ton of credit, even if it was a dumb strategy after about 5 TD's.

[fatty fat fat]

that team also had a sick d-line. Johnson, Fatafehi, Beisel...(X)

[KSU4ME]

Soo what you're saying was that Dyshod actually made an impact for an NFL team?? 

If by being on the team and playing in games for 2-3 years counts, then yes.  It's not like he had the Thomas Barnett practice squad career.  He played in games across at least 3 seasons, and had a career of 5 season or more.

Now if you want to start talking about how big of an impact, go for it.  But a guy that plays that long in the NFL has accomplished something.  Fatafehi only lasted 3 years, and was never a starter either, and isn't exactly eligible for a NFLPA pension. 

[Pett]

Fatafehi's NFL career:

92 tackles, & 2.5 sacks in 3 years & in 26 games starting.

Dyshod's NFL career:

16 tackles, 1 FF in 5 years with no career starts. Less than avg. of 4 tackles per year isn't an impact wih 0 games starting.

If you want to say that you would take Dyshod's career, than I would have to agree because it would be good $, but that's not what we're arguing.

All of the 1999 defenders that were on the 10 dependable list that are not crossed off are impact players with games started and solid stats on their NFL resume.

[Pett]

Here's my list KSU4ME of 1999 dependable defenders that had any type of NFL career at all. (Drafted or stats)

Simoneau
Howard
Fatafehi
Chapman
Butler
Cooper
Leber
Beisel
Johnson
Carter

[The Manhatter]

that team also had a sick d-line. Johnson, Fatafehi, Beisel...(X)

fatty, if you want to cry watch the '99 Tejas game.  On Allen's punt return...tears will flow from your eyes as you see the view on the replay from behind and two of his blockers trailing him w/ the #1 sign raised in the air.  The two trailers?  Moran and Newman.  GD we had talent.

[fatty fat fat]

[The Manhatter]

 

[fatty fat fat]

awesome pic though.

[The Manhatter]

awesome pic though.

definitely.  I bet Brice Libel has it framed somewhere.

[Pett]

Three all american's in that picture in purple.

 

[fatty fat fat]

Three all american's in that picture in purple.

True, but think of it this way. This year we will no doubt have numerous pics of Walker,Beasley,Sutton,Hoskins in the same picture. We may not know it now, but 6 years from now three of those guys will probably be in the NBA, and a pair can be something special.

We'll look back at those pics (when we are back to regular old crap ksu basketball) and say

"Three all american's in that picture in purple."
 


So, enjoy the ride this year.

[Pett]

Three all american's in that picture in purple.

True, but think of it this way. This year we will no doubt have numerous pics of Walker,Beasley,Sutton,Hoskins in the same picture. We may not know it now, but 6 years from now three of those guys will probably be in the NBA, and a pair can be something special.

We'll look back at those pics (when we are back to regular old crap ksu basketball) and say

"Three all american's in that picture in purple."
 


So, enjoy the ride this year.

No doubt. I'm definately on for the ride this year!!!

 

[dr00d]

you guys can ruin any good thread by taking a part of the subject, then having a piss match.

Congratulations, get a room and get it over with.

[KSU4ME]

Fatafehi's NFL career:

92 tackles, & 2.5 sacks in 3 years & in 26 games starting.

Dyshod's NFL career:

16 tackles, 1 FF in 5 years with no career starts. Less than avg. of 4 tackles per year isn't an impact wih 0 games starting.

If you want to say that you would take Dyshod's career, than I would have to agree because it would be good $, but that's not what we're arguing.

All of the 1999 defenders that were on the 10 dependable list that are not crossed off are impact players with games started and solid stats on their NFL resume.

Fatafehi was never a starter.  Don't make stuff up.

[KSU4ME]

you guys can ruin any good thread by taking a part of the subject, then having a piss match.

That's what I'm here for, my entertainment.

I'm not concerned about yours.

[Pett]

Fatafehi's NFL career:

92 tackles, & 2.5 sacks in 3 years & in 26 games starting.

Dyshod's NFL career:

16 tackles, 1 FF in 5 years with no career starts. Less than avg. of 4 tackles per year isn't an impact wih 0 games starting.

If you want to say that you would take Dyshod's career, than I would have to agree because it would be good $, but that's not what we're arguing.

All of the 1999 defenders that were on the 10 dependable list that are not crossed off are impact players with games started and solid stats on their NFL resume.

Fatafehi was never a starter.  Don't make stuff up.

NFL Games Played/Started: 45/26

You're right. The official Denver Broncos website lies. Mainly they lie JUST for me.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=714

[KSU4ME]

You're right. The official Denver Broncos website lies. Mainly they lie JUST for me.

Yup.

Check the NFL official stats.  Not exactly the same.  I was wrong on the starts, but the tackle numbers from the NFL are quite a bit different.

I guess I just didn't understand how a starter could start 16 games and amass 22 tackles on the season. 

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235055/gamelogs/2001

[The Manhatter]

You're right. The official Denver Broncos website lies. Mainly they lie JUST for me.

Yup.

Check the NFL official stats.  Not exactly the same.  I was wrong on the starts, but the tackle numbers from the NFL are quite a bit different.

I guess I just didn't understand how a starter could start 16 games and amass 22 tackles on the season. 

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235055/gamelogs/2001

because the NFL has very skilled OL.  I"m not saying he's a pro bowler but DT's in the NFL don't make that many tackles.  He was definitely a starter for at least a full year and part of another year.

[ksuno1stunner]

you guys can ruin any good thread by taking a part of the subject, then having a piss match.

Congratulations, get a room and get it over with.

Instead of complaining, why don't you contribute?

[KSU4ME]

because the NFL has very skilled OL.  I"m not saying he's a pro bowler but DT's in the NFL don't make that many tackles.  He was definitely a starter for at least a full year and part of another year.

Hey, if you want to go off Denver's website, last year their starting DTs had 80 and 51 total tackles respectively!

[catdude33]

I have an erection.  We need an emoticon for that.

[catinthehat]

sheet, that abana is a great looking physical speciman.  I just hope your not expecting to much from a guy that won't arrive till nearly august.  there is a jump from juco to the big 12 and I don't  know if 4 weeks is acclimation time  enough.

on the other hand, your nt looks very unimpressive.  He won't need many double teams

[ksuno1stunner]

sheet, that abana is a great looking physical speciman.  I just hope your not expecting to much from a guy that won't arrive till nearly august.  there is a jump from juco to the big 12 and I don't  know if 4 weeks is acclimation time  enough.

on the other hand, your nt looks very unimpressive.  He won't need many double teams

He's also played for only 3 or so years, so