Coach Ron's Honeymoon

[KSU4ME]

A bowl game gets him a pass on the season, and winning the bowl game would make it a good year.

Of course if we win 10 games this year, he should be fired.  The secret to success is losing 5 games a year.

[michigancat]

I'd be happy with 7-6 again.  Perfectly reasonable with our ridiculously tough schedule.

True, but he's got a schedule that also screams at least 6 wins.

this season is SHOULD be pretty easy to predict. 6 wins is the min, 8 wins is the max.

SJSU is no pushover.  Better than Marshall last season, IMO.  1-3 in OOC isn't out of the question.  It's just flat-out tough.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah, 2001, what a great season that was.

So lets review, over the course of his last 5 seasons Bill Snyder went 48-28 (.631)

From 1995-2000 Snyder Went 63-12 (.840)

In his last five season, he lost 16 more games, than he did from '95 to '00.

[fatty fat fat]

From 1995-2000 Snyder Went 63-12 (.840)

HOLY &@#%

[chum1]

If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid.

I already explained it:

Bronco Mendenhall, Hal Mumme, and Frank Solich vs. Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, and Charlie Weiss.

All did significantly better in their second season than in their first, didn't they?  I'm sure we'll all have a similar expectation for Coach Ron.

I think we all expect Ron to improve over last season.  Measuring using your parameters above (9-4) is stupid.

As I've irrefutably proven, 9-4 would be a "B" at best since 8-5 is average.  Are you going with the dumb kid in class explanation?

[catzacker]

Yeah, 2001, what a great season that was.

So lets review, over the course of his last 5 seasons Bill Snyder went 48-28 (.631)

From 1995-2000 Snyder Went 63-12 (.840)

In his last five season, he lost 16 more games, than he did from '95 to '00.

I really, really, really miss BV, M. Stoops, and Mangino. 

[plaincat killed himself]

Yeah, 2001, what a great season that was.

So lets review, over the course of his last 5 seasons Bill Snyder went 48-28 (.631)

From 1995-2000 Snyder Went 63-12 (.840)

In his last five season, he lost 16 more games, than he did from '95 to '00.

Can someone compare Snyder's numbers to chum's stats?

Maybe someone who doesn't think that chums numbers are irrelevant.

[plaincat killed himself]

If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid.

I already explained it:

Bronco Mendenhall, Hal Mumme, and Frank Solich vs. Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, and Charlie Weiss.

All did significantly better in their second season than in their first, didn't they?  I'm sure we'll all have a similar expectation for Coach Ron.

No.  Spurrier and Weiss both played one more OOC cupcake game with the longer schedules and they won that one game.  Otherwise they were the same as the year before.

[catzacker]

Yeah, 2001, what a great season that was.

So lets review, over the course of his last 5 seasons Bill Snyder went 48-28 (.631)

From 1995-2000 Snyder Went 63-12 (.840)

In his last five season, he lost 16 more games, than he did from '95 to '00.

Can someone compare Snyder's numbers to chum's stats?

Maybe someone who doesn't think that chums numbers are irrelevant.

Snyder
1989: 1-10
1990: 5-6

4 game improvment. 

[chum1]

Can someone compare Snyder's numbers to chum's stats?

Snyder's second year was also better than his first.  Another good example.

All did significantly better in their second season than in their first, didn't they?  I'm sure we'll all have a similar expectation for Coach Ron.

No.  Spurrier and Weiss both played one more OOC cupcake game with the longer schedules and they won that one game.  Otherwise they were the same as the year before.

The new coaches of the cupcakes improved as well.  (And there are no cupcakes for cupcakes.)

I'm not explaining this to you anymore because I think you're the only one that doesn't get it.

[pissclams]

Please give specific examples/names of the recruits will we get if we get if Coach Ron Prince gets:
An A
A B
A C
A D
A F

When you list the recruits, also list their stars, and rate the recruiting class in each scenario.

[FBWillie]

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[frankencat]

I remember thinking we were horrible after winning our first game in 2006.

We were and

This turned into a very GPC'esque type thread

[KSU4ME]

Please give specific examples/names of the recruits will we get if we get if Coach Ron Prince gets:
An A
A B
A C
A D
A F

When you list the recruits, also list their stars, and rate the recruiting class in each scenario.

Fool!

Wins don't help recruiting.

Explaining why Frank Delarue doesn't deserve a scholarship is the key to recruiting classes.

Bob Stoops knows this.  He sent Butler a detailed Powerpoint that included a link to a YouTube breaking down why Delarue wasn't offered.

[ScubaSteve]

Are you going with the dumb kid in class explanation?

Is there any other option here?

[chum1]

Are you going with the dumb kid in class explanation?

Is there any other option here?

Well, you could explain it by pointing out that Coach Ron was better in his first year than the other coaches were in theirs - that he doesn't really need to improve as much in his second year as they did in theirs.  You could then hope that Coach Ron's first two years combined are better than average.  Otherwise, we're definitely looking at a six win season this year. 


2005 New Coach     2004      2005      2006

All                        122-149  100-151   142-157
                           45.0%     39.8%     47.5%

2006 New Coach      2005   2006   2007 with average increase in win %

Ron Prince              5-6      7-6      6-6 or 6-7
                            45.4%  53.8%  47.9%

[ScubaSteve]

Well, you could explain it by pointing out that Coach Ron was better in his first year than the other coaches were in theirs - that he doesn't really need to improve as much in his second year as they did in theirs. 

Or I can sit and wait for you to figure out the dozens of obvious factors that would show that Coach Ron's program showed improvement.

[chum1]

Well, you could explain it by pointing out that Coach Ron was better in his first year than the other coaches were in theirs - that he doesn't really need to improve as much in his second year as they did in theirs. 

Or I can sit and wait for you to figure out the dozens of obvious factors that would show that Coach Ron's program showed improvement.

This thread is about 2007, not 2006.  In particular, it is about whether or not Coach Ron will be better than average in 2007.

[Pete]

Hal Mumme is Mike Leach's mentor.

I'd be happy with 7-6 again.  Perfectly reasonable with our ridiculously tough schedule.

Hot Ron hand picked that schedule.  If they win less than 7 games Ron should be put on double secret probation.  He gets NO passes for the schedule that HE put together.  Bowl games don't look at your strength of schedule.

[DrDowntown]

this is a pretty cool post!

[ScubaSteve]

This thread is about 2007, not 2006.  In particular, it is about whether or not Coach Ron will be better than average in 2007.

Yeah, I know.

OK, I give up.  What do you want me to do?  Applaud your insightfulness for pointing out that Ron will show improvement from year 1 to year 2 by winning more games?  Oooo.  Cool analysis.  Come on chum, you're better than this.

[chum1]

The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low.  Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?

[waks]

This thread is about 2007, not 2006.  In particular, it is about whether or not Coach Ron will be better than average in 2007.

Yeah, I know.

OK, I give up.  What do you want me to do?  Applaud your insightfulness for pointing out that Ron will show improvement from year 1 to year 2 by winning more games?  Oooo.  Cool analysis.  Come on chum, you're better than this.

Cop out.

[doom]

The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low.  Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?

I disagree.  It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.

[chum1]

The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low.  Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?

I disagree.  It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0

Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.

[waks]

The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low.  Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?

I disagree.  It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0

Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.

I'll be honest. I'll be happy with slightly better than average..

[catzacker]

The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low.  Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?

I disagree.  It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0

Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.

Progress should not be measured by wins/losses it should be measured by how you "feel" about the team's progress.

[waks]

The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low.  Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?

I disagree.  It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0

Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.

Progress should not be measured by wins/losses it should be measured by how you "feel" about the team's progress.

QFT

[pissclams]

The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low.  Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?

I disagree.  It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0

Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.

Progress should not be measured by wins/losses it should be measured by how you "feel" about the team's progress.

QFP

(Quoted From Phog)

[catzacker]

The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low.  Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?

I disagree.  It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0

Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.

Progress should not be measured by wins/losses it should be measured by how you "feel" about the team's progress.

QFP

(Quoted From Phog)

QFT on the QFP