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June 28, 2007, 09:34:38 AM
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Please stop stealing premium information.

And BTW, Louisville's best player was Akoye.  How many stars did he get?

June 28, 2007, 09:38:02 AM
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Please stop stealing premium information.

And BTW, Louisville's best player was Akoye.  How many stars did he get?

How is that premium info?????  Anybody has access to the recruiting rankings douche bag.  BTW, OKOYE was a 2 STAR!!!!!!!   :nutkick:

June 28, 2007, 09:43:28 AM
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Are you telling me that a 2 star prospect was selected in the top 10 of this year's NFL draft?  How can this be possible?  Terence Newman wants to know!

June 28, 2007, 09:43:30 AM
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This thread is a good example of why I can't wait for July 1st to arrive and Chico's reign of terror on cubs to begin...

June 28, 2007, 09:45:52 AM
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June 28, 2007, 09:46:09 AM
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June 28, 2007, 10:00:35 AM
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http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=12153.0

Nice!  Did you compile that yourself?  I started to look for something like that and didn't find much.  Where did you get it and how far back did they go?

TIA

June 28, 2007, 10:04:26 AM
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http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=12153.0

Nice!  Did you compile that yourself?  I started to look for something like that and didn't find much.  Where did you get it and how far back did they go?

TIA
That doesn't support an argument that stars don't matter. Isn't that what you were trying to say, plaincat?

June 28, 2007, 10:07:57 AM
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http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=12153.0

Nice!  Did you compile that yourself?  I started to look for something like that and didn't find much.  Where did you get it and how far back did they go?

TIA
That doesn't support an argument that stars don't matter. Isn't that what you were trying to say, plaincat?

I was just asking where he found it because I had looked for it and found little. 

You can be certain that if I did have all the past Rival's star rankings, I would be able to twist the numbers to fit my argument.  ;)

June 28, 2007, 10:09:27 AM
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http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=12153.0

Nice!  Did you compile that yourself?  I started to look for something like that and didn't find much.  Where did you get it and how far back did they go?

TIA
That doesn't support an argument that stars don't matter. Isn't that what you were trying to say, plaincat?

I was just asking where he found it because I had looked for it and found little. 

You can be certain that if I did have all the past Rival's star rankings, I would be able to twist the numbers to fit my argument.  ;)
I don't doubt it. GPC posters have been doing it for years..

June 28, 2007, 10:10:17 AM
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This thread is a good example of why I can't wait for July 1st to arrive and Chico's reign of terror on cubs to begin...

If I get bored I may consider the prospect of starting a Cub uprising.  Dont' mess with us.

June 28, 2007, 10:46:28 AM
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There ARE anomalies, and there are plenty of them if you want to pick and choose over a 10 year period.  The thing is, every school has them.  There are success stories all over, even at schools like Miami, OU, Ohio State, Texas that will the majority of their classes with highly ranked talent, but still have players that weren’t as highly touted coming out of high school that became stars at the next level.

My argument is to not look at the aberrations like a Terrance Newman or John McGraw that buck the trend, but look at the big, cumulative picture.  And when you do that, it becomes pretty clear, that the teams that the experts assess are recruiting at a high level based on cumulative, aggregate rankings, more often than not are the ones achieving the most, consistently, on the field success down the road.

What you really have to depend on to stay consistently at a high level and be in position for a National Title, is to recruit at a high level as well, and that means landing players that are highly coveted by other BCS programs.

As far as the NFL draft first round goes, for every one late blooming Terrence Newman there are 25 decorated high school all-Americans like Reggie Bush and Jamarcus Russell that comprise the majority.

Seriously, look at this breakdown of recruiting rankings alone in comparison with the NFL draft.

43 – Number of five and four star prospects in their high school class taken in the top 100 draft picks. Among the top 100 draft picks were 10 five-star prospects in their high school classes and 33 four-star prospects.

3.63 - Rivals.com's average star ranking for the first-round draft picks out of high school.

3.29 - Rivals.com's average star ranking for the top 100 draft picks out of high school.

Again, there are aberrations, but look at the big picture.  It’s not just the recruitment of 1, 2 star.  It’s when the majority of the class is comprised with them, that the cumulative rankings prove time and again that the margin for success becomes narrower and narrower.


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June 28, 2007, 11:08:03 AM
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I do agree that this this staff needs to be in on more 3-5 star guys, however, we are also talking about rankings being done by an organization that has decided such things as "we won't have as many 3 star guys this year", "we won't have as many 4 star guys this year" . . . that's stuff that you find in corporations when it comes to employee ratings . . . "hey, you were great, but I already gave another guy a really high score, so I can't do the same for you".

June 28, 2007, 11:18:14 AM
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My argument is to not look at the aberrations like a Terrance Newman or John McGraw that buck the trend, but look at the big, cumulative picture.  And when you do that, it becomes pretty clear, that the teams that the experts assess are recruiting at a high level based on cumulative, aggregate rankings, more often than not are the ones achieving the most, consistently, on the field success down the road.


You are absolutely correct.  But who are the "experts?"

My argument is that the "experts" are earning 100K+ with huge budgets to work with and tremendous pressure to make correct judgements as currently employed college football coaches.  They can't share their opinion with you due to NCAA rules.  The decisions they make may be unpopular when they are made, but they dramatically impact their own success in the end.

Meanwhile the simplified star rankings that you rely on are produced by self-proclaimed "experts" with rudimentary football knowledge (please name one of them who played) working with tiny budgets and limited manpower.  They may or may not randomly change their rankings to please sections of their subscriber base in an attempt to boost their miniscule revenues.
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June 28, 2007, 11:19:16 AM
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so, everyone knows stars matter.   So lets recruit nothing but 5 star guys.  That'll solve all of our problems.  Someone get on that.  :blank:
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June 28, 2007, 12:37:41 PM
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The Stars thing is a marketing genius.

Watching people really get on the stars thing makes the Rivals and Scout businesses happy.

June 28, 2007, 12:41:38 PM
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This is semi serious:

Could rivals/scout/ESPNinsider have any impact on a school's recruiting?

Let's say Arthur Brown wants to play with a lot of talent.  Where does he go to evaluate talent of respective schools?  Rivals or Scout.  (I suppose some of the losers would look at espn).

If he sees a bunch of 2 stars at KSU, it doesn't seem like we're recruiting decent talent and he goes elsewhere.  Maybe this has already been discussed on Wabash and is why people get so upset about "stars".

June 28, 2007, 12:44:27 PM
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This is semi serious:

Could rivals/scout/ESPNinsider have any impact on a school's recruiting?

Let's say Arthur Brown wants to play with a lot of talent.  Where does he go to evaluate talent of respective schools?  Rivals or Scout.  (I suppose some of the losers would look at espn).

If he sees a bunch of 2 stars at KSU, it doesn't seem like we're recruiting decent talent and he goes elsewhere.  Maybe this has already been discussed on Wabash and is why people get so upset about "stars".
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not but Stunner screamed that n Wabash for about a week.

June 28, 2007, 12:45:07 PM
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I haven't even been logged into gpc in like a month.

June 28, 2007, 12:47:22 PM
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The Stars thing is a marketing genius.

Watching people really get on the stars thing makes the Rivals and Scout businesses happy.
It's not so much stars IMO - it's offers. 

June 28, 2007, 12:51:20 PM
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The Stars thing is a marketing genius.

Watching people really get on the stars thing makes the Rivals and Scout businesses happy.
It's not so much stars IMO - it's offers. 
Prince just has that special knack for finding the diamonds in the rough. He's already found eight for this class in such a short amount of time. Can you believe it?

June 28, 2007, 12:54:54 PM
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Prince just has that special knack for finding the diamonds in the rough. He's already found eight for this class in such a short amount of time. Can you believe it?

I believe.  :eyeseeyou:

June 28, 2007, 01:30:35 PM
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It's not so much stars IMO - it's offers.


I agree that a comparable offer list is ultimately a better indicator of talent than stars.

However, the vast majority of the time an impressive offer list and star ranking prove to not be mutually exclusive.





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June 28, 2007, 02:29:31 PM
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Since we know Prince will yank scholarships later, what's the over/under on these guys making the final commit list?

I remember a midget or two we picked up last year that didn't make it.
"Mel Kiper, THE TURD"