We are cornering the 2* market

[waks]

KSU recruiting and UT recruiting are pretty similar, imo.  You can tell by the game last year that we have the same caliber of players as they do. 

If Colt McCoy could have played it might have been different.  It's too bad his shoulder turned into sand with one hit.

Freeman took hits all game and wasn't affected, so basically KSU recruiting > Texas recruiting. 

Didn't he hurt his hand in that game?

Notice that after he left, and they took out Yamon, we only kicked a FG.

Mack Brown is a dirty coach.

He smashed his hand onto a helmet on one of his throws and then he had to audible at the line and just QB sneak it in for a game. Then Dylan Meier was in for a tiny bit if you recall. But we did pass again, we threw to Jordy for the first down to seal the game..

Texas had a 4 star true freshman QB in just like we did when we were playing them. This Colt McCoy crap is a load of BS.

[mjrod]

KSU recruiting and UT recruiting are pretty similar, imo.  You can tell by the game last year that we have the same caliber of players as they do. 

If Colt McCoy could have played it might have been different.  It's too bad his shoulder turned into sand with one hit.

Freeman took hits all game and wasn't affected, so basically KSU recruiting > Texas recruiting. 

Didn't he hurt his hand in that game?

Notice that after he left, and they took out Yamon, we only kicked a FG.

Mack Brown is a dirty coach.

He smashed his hand onto a helmet on one of his throws and then he had to audible at the line and just QB sneak it in for a game. Then Dylan Meier was in for a tiny bit if you recall. But we did pass again, we threw to Jordy for the first down to seal the game..

Texas had a 4 star true freshman QB in just like we did when we were playing them. This Colt McCoy crap is a load of BS.

All I'm saying is that we didn't have anymore touchdown throws after that.

[~WabashRoll~]

Rivals = Paid professional crack smokers.

5 Star Vince Young  vs.  2 star Dylan Meier.  Who could have known which one was going to win a national championship and be a top 5 pick.

And seriously, who would have ever in a million years thought USC or Texas with a #1 Recruiting Class in the country had the talent to win a national title.

Stars totally are worthless.  

[waks]

They rated Vince Young as the #1 player in the country. They pretty much &@#%ed that one up.

[Pett]

You've got to be kidding me!!! Milo ran a 4.42 forty at the camp, is measured as a legit 6'3" and we haven't offered him. Not to mention that this kid loves us!

Prince. 

[sonofdaxjones]

I am still laughing.

Yep, Snyder's great teams had entire starting lineups of 4 and 5 star guy, Travis Ochs-5 stars, Eric Hixson-4 stars, Gavin Peries-5 stars, Kevin Lockett-5 stars, Aaron Lockett-4 stars, Mike Lawrence-5 stars, Nyle Wiren-5 stars, Chad May-sure he signed with Cal State Northridge, but he was 5 stars out of High School.

Now if the entire recruiting class is 2 stars you guys may have a point, but right now it's just laughable at what little bitches some of you all are.

[plaincat killed himself]

They rated Vince Young as the #1 player in the country. They pretty much &*$@!ed that one up.

It took some real geniuses at Rivals to pick that one.      Even Bill Snyder gave Vince Young 5 stars.

That's the same Bill Snyder that only gave Josh Freeman 1 star.

[catzacker]

They rated Vince Young as the #1 player in the country. They pretty much &*$@!ed that one up.

It took some real geniuses at Rivals to pick that one.      Even Bill Snyder gave Vince Young 5 stars.

That's the same Bill Snyder that only gave Josh Freeman 1 star.

So then Prince is a sucky evaluator because Snyder thought Freeman sucked? 

[Arthur Carlson]

So much for that "we're being more selective this year" talk from a month or so ago.

The Waffle House may not close, but I'd prefer ours have something to the equivalent of a "No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service" sign on the door.

[plaincat killed himself]

So then Prince is a sucky evaluator because Snyder thought Freeman sucked? 

No.  Try again.

[catzacker]

So then Prince is a sucky evaluator because Snyder thought Freeman sucked? 

No.  Try again.

Snyder is/was a sucky evaluator?

[~WabashRoll~]

It always cracks me up when people try to pretend Snyder only recruited a bunch of slouches that nobody else wanted and turned them in to superstars.

The reality is:  Jeff Kelly, the best linebacker of the Snyder era was a JUCO All-American, Michael Bishop, the best QB of the Snyder era was a JUCO All-American, Quincy Morgan, in my opinion the best WR of the Snyde era was a JUCO All-American.  Chris Canty, #2 best corner of the Snyder era was a parade All-American out of highschool, so was Josh Buhl.  Ell Roberson was a parade All-American and Houston Player of the Year.  Sproles, the best running back of the Snyder era, was the top player in Kansas and USA Today All-American.

Yes, Snyder had his fair share of Mark Simenaou's, but he also recruited some serious talent in his heyday and to say all we did was rely upon a bunch of unheard of guys that didn't have any other BCS offers during that run in the 90's is total BS.

[Poopley]

Kooky as it sounds, Carlos Alsup was rated higher than Darren Sproles by all the recruiting services.

[opcat]

You all need to STFU until the season ends and then bitch.

[Ezah Miester]

It's a lot easier to recruit top tier talent when you when 11 games a year.

I'm willing to bet that the majority of teams that won 7 or less games last year (exclude fsu and miami) aren't landing commits from 4 and 5* players.

We need to be patient, Snyder recruited great players when he had a great team to sell. Prince needs to get to that point, and I think he will be able to do it with the talent he has/is bringing in.

[doom]

It's a lot easier to recruit top tier talent when you when 11 games a year.

I'm willing to bet that the majority of teams that won 7 or less games last year (exclude fsu and miami) aren't landing commits from 4 and 5* players.

We need to be patient, Snyder recruited great players when he had a great team to sell. Prince needs to get to that point, and I think he will be able to do it with the talent he has/is bringing in.

But also consider the schedules Snyder put together.

[sonofdaxjones]

It always cracks me up when people try to pretend Snyder only recruited a bunch of slouches that nobody else wanted and turned them in to superstars.

The reality is:  Jeff Kelly, the best linebacker of the Snyder era was a JUCO All-American, Michael Bishop, the best QB of the Snyder era was a JUCO All-American, Quincy Morgan, in my opinion the best WR of the Snyde era was a JUCO All-American.  Chris Canty, #2 best corner of the Snyder era was a parade All-American out of highschool, so was Josh Buhl.  Ell Roberson was a parade All-American and Houston Player of the Year.  Sproles, the best running back of the Snyder era, was the top player in Kansas and USA Today All-American.

Yes, Snyder had his fair share of Mark Simenaou's, but he also recruited some serious talent in his heyday and to say all we did was rely upon a bunch of unheard of guys that didn't have any other BCS offers during that run in the 90's is total BS.

It always cracks me up when people try to say all those guys were surrounded by highly recruited guys . . . they weren't.   Snyder's teams had 4 or 5 guys who were considered "studs" by the recruitniks, that's about it.

Lamark Brown wasn't a stud??  Gary Chandler isn't a stud??

Plus, Snyder waited until the last freaking minute to offer tons of guys, so to try and compare what a guys offer sheet looks like between the Prince and the Snyder era in June is a freaking joke.

[chum1]

I always wonder if people think that the head coach actually plays a big role in all of this when they reference things like Prince's ability to evaluate talent, Mangino's keen eye for talent, or Snyder's nose for the diamond in the rough.  I kinda think they do.

[fb]

dax,
Jeff Kelly was touted as a stud.
Rated No. 1 JuCo linebacker in the country by J.C. Gridwire

http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3069&SPID=212&DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=810411

I still don't really care about stars though.  This guy came to our camp and proved he was worth an offer.  Some guys I question but he must have done something to impress the staff in person.

[sonofdaxjones]

dax,
Jeff Kelly was touted as a stud.
Rated No. 1 JuCo linebacker in the country by J.C. Gridwire

http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3069&SPID=212&DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=810411

I still don't really care about stars though.  This guy came to our camp and proved he was worth an offer.  Some guys I question but he must have done something to impress the staff in person.

Yeah, and who started right next to Jeff Kelly??  Travis Ochs . . . when KSU signed him I thought it was a courtesy signing for the Ochs family.

[catzacker]

I always wonder if people think that the head coach actually plays a big role in all of this when they reference things like Prince's ability to evaluate talent, Mangino's keen eye for talent, or Snyder's nose for the diamond in the rough.  I kinda think they do.

I wish we still had Venables  , M. Stoops, and Mangino as assistants. 

[fb]

That is the biggest display of backpedaling I have ever seen, dax.  Well done. 

[ksu_FAN]

1st, I've gotten past (way past) getting too caught up with star ratings and FB recruiting in general, though I'm not naive enough to believe that it doesn't matter.  People who recruit more 4 and 5 star players are obviously getting more talent, though IMO 4 and 5 star in FB doesn't translate the same way in basketball, ie. FB 4 and 5 star kids aren't nearly as "sure" as they seem to be in basketball.

2nd, I'm not sure what we have to compare to considering the supposed reduction in 3 star players (and 4 and 5) this year and over the past few years by rivals.  It might be arbitrary to compare to last year or year's past until several years down the road, similar to what it will be like comparing 3 PT % when they move the 3 PT line back in hoops.  We'll have to see.

[superwillie8]

GoPowercat user posted this on Wabash.  Food for thought for the 2* crybabies:

Lousiville's 2003 and 2004 recruiting classes (Juniors/Seniors this season)...and this was before Rivals started to downgrade their star rankings.

38 - two star players
9 - three star players
3 - four star players


Petrino landed a couple of studs and surrounded them with fast players that best fit his system.

Sounds familiar...





Speed kills...

 

Posted on 6/28 8:40 AM | IP: Logged

[catzacker]

I feel proud that this thread reached 2 pages.  It accomplished what I set out for it to accomplish. 

[steve dave]

GoPowercat user posted this on Wabash. 

Haven't read a lot of this thread but once you begin posting other peoples posts to back up your own posts you pretty much lose.

[waks]

GoPowercat user posted this on Wabash.  Food for thought for the 2* crybabies:

Lousiville's 2003 and 2004 recruiting classes (Juniors/Seniors this season)...and this was before Rivals started to downgrade their star rankings.

38 - two star players
9 - three star players
3 - four star players


Petrino landed a couple of studs and surrounded them with fast players that best fit his system.

Sounds familiar...





Speed kills...

 

Posted on 6/28 8:40 AM | IP: Logged

And that would be why Petrino is in the NFL. The studs he got were just that, &@#%ing studs. Bush (4 stars), Brohm (4 stars), Urutia (3 stars but incredibly good). Do we have any players of that caliber? Will Prince turn out to be as good of an evaluator as Petrino was?

[superwillie8]

GoPowercat user posted this on Wabash. 

Haven't read a lot of this thread but once you begin posting other peoples posts to back up your own posts you pretty much lose.

Ok, that makes no sense at all.  I scanned the Wabash and saw somebody found that Louisville landed a TON of 2* recruits and seemed to do pretty well if I remember correctly.  Think about it.  Was I looking for credit it?  Nope, just pointing out an interesting FACT.

[steve dave]

GoPowercat user posted this on Wabash. 

Haven't read a lot of this thread but once you begin posting other peoples posts to back up your own posts you pretty much lose.

Ok, that makes no sense at all.  I scanned the Wabash and saw somebody found that Louisville landed a TON of 2* recruits and seemed to do pretty well if I remember correctly.  Think about it.  Was I looking for credit it?  Nope, just pointing out an interesting FACT.

false

[superwillie8]

GoPowercat user posted this on Wabash.  Food for thought for the 2* crybabies:

Lousiville's 2003 and 2004 recruiting classes (Juniors/Seniors this season)...and this was before Rivals started to downgrade their star rankings.

38 - two star players
9 - three star players
3 - four star players


Petrino landed a couple of studs and surrounded them with fast players that best fit his system.

Sounds familiar...





Speed kills...

 

Posted on 6/28 8:40 AM | IP: Logged

And that would be why Petrino is in the NFL. The studs he got were just that, &*$@!ing studs. Bush (4 stars), Brohm (4 stars), Urutia (3 stars but incredibly good). Do we have any players of that caliber? Will Prince turn out to be as good of an evaluator as Petrino was?

Potentially:  Josh Freeman, Chris Patterson, Lamark Brown, Leon Patton, Danny Hogan, Ernie Pierce, Gary Chandler.  We shall see!  It seems as if there are MANY people that already think he his a crappy evaluater of talent when the guy has been on the job to complete ONE full recruiting class.  My point is people need to be more patient before they start bitching and moaning about his recruits.