We are cornering the 2* market

[~WabashRoll~]

FYI - Jeff Kelly was an All-American that many considered to be the best JUCO linebacker in the country.

[bball40608]

Was last year a fluke? no. we were an above average team. We went to a lower tiered bowl to take on someone who should have been in a much better bowl and got our sh*t rocked. Our 2007 recruiting class was solid, but not good enough to get us back into the B12 championship picture. We will, again, have a solid team and go to an unimportant bowl. I hate to be pessimistic, but Kstate fans were happy to go to a bowl, and don't demand a "cotton bowl or better" team. If you think we will lose all our games, you are kidding yourself. If you think we will have an 11 win season, you are kidding yourself. Expect a .500 season. Hopefully kstate fans will begin to ask for more than a texas bowl bid. 2 and 3* guys with solid coaching will get you the texas bowl. I sorta want a BCS bowl, so I am quite unhappy with RP's recruiting.

[fatty fat fat]

FYI - Jeff Kelly was an All-American that many considered to be the best JUCO linebacker in the country.

qft. we used to recruit studs.

the whole "snyder won with 2** recruits" is false.

[ksuno1stunner]

If we were going to pick up a 2 star safety, we might as well have picked Milo.  God damnit.  I'll be pissed if he doesn't get an offer, he's an athlete.

[mjrod]

FYI - Jeff Kelly was an All-American that many considered to be the best JUCO linebacker in the country.

qft. we used to recruit studs.

the whole "snyder won with 2** recruits" is false.

Only because they didn't have the rankings back then like they do now.

[ksuno1stunner]

FYI - Jeff Kelly was an All-American that many considered to be the best JUCO linebacker in the country.

qft. we used to recruit studs.

the whole "snyder won with 2** recruits" is false.

Snyder won with 4/5 star JUCOs.  Wasn't Bishop the best JUCO player in the country?  Yea...5 stars.  I'm guessing Morgan would have been 5 stars.  Every JUCO player who made a name for themselves would have been 4 stars.

[plaincat killed himself]

Ron Prince gets paid over $1 million dollars a year to coach football.  Everyone on his staff earns around $100K minimum.  A HUGE part of their success depends on them evaluating high school talent and recruiting that talent to KSU.  If they do a poor job they will be publically humiliated and forced to sell insurance for $50K per year.

Jeremy Crabtree and Brian Gates and Fitz hand out "stars" to high school players and get you fools to pay them $9.95 per month to see how many "stars" they have awarded to players that are headed to KSU.  They can arbitrarily change these rankings at their whim (ala Joe Lunardi) and their performance will have little (if any) affect on their compensation.  Occasionally they might be questioned about some guy they misjudged and they will reply with: "Yeah, we missed on that one, but it's really difficult to see every player in person."

Now, really.  Who should you dumbasses trust?

[doom]

Ron Prince gets paid over $1 million dollars a year to coach football.  Everyone on his staff earns around $100K minimum.  A HUGE part of their success depends on them evaluating high school talent and recruiting that talent to KSU.  If they do a poor job they will be publically humiliated and forced to sell insurance for $50K per year.

Jeremy Crabtree and Brian Gates and Fitz hand out "stars" to high school players and get you fools to pay them $9.95 per month to see how many "stars" they have awarded to players that are headed to KSU.  They can arbitrarily change these rankings at their whim (ala Joe Lunardi) and their performance will have little (if any) affect on their compensation.  Occasionally they might be questioned about some guy they misjudged and they will reply with: "Yeah, we missed on that one, but it's really difficult to see every player in person."

Now, really.  Who should you dumbasses trust?

Fitz.

[fatty fat fat]

Ron Prince gets paid over $1 million dollars a year to coach football.  Everyone on his staff earns around $100K minimum.  A HUGE part of their success depends on them evaluating high school talent and recruiting that talent to KSU.  If they do a poor job they will be publically humiliated and forced to sell insurance for $50K per year.

Jeremy Crabtree and Brian Gates and Fitz hand out "stars" to high school players and get you fools to pay them $9.95 per month to see how many "stars" they have awarded to players that are headed to KSU.  They can arbitrarily change these rankings at their whim (ala Joe Lunardi) and their performance will have little (if any) affect on their compensation.  Occasionally they might be questioned about some guy they misjudged and they will reply with: "Yeah, we missed on that one, but it's really difficult to see every player in person."

Now, really.  Who should you dumbasses trust?

O.M.G

You do realize 95%+ of recruiting is actually LANDING the kids you 1st target?

You don't think Prince doesn't target the kids signing w/NU..etc??

Dumb&@#%.

[plaincat killed himself]

O.M.G

You do realize 95%+ of recruiting is actually LANDING the kids you 1st target?

You don't think Prince doesn't target the kids signing w/NU..etc??

Dumb&*$@!.

You mean like Josh Freeman?

[fatty fat fat]

LOL.

[Pett]

If we were going to pick up a 2 star safety, we might as well have picked Milo.  God damnit.  I'll be pissed if he doesn't get an offer, he's an athlete.

Doesn't look good stunner, Milo was at the KSU football camp for the whole four days of the camp, even with his HS coach there helping out, and still left the camp without an offer.

Heard if we offer Milo right now he'll commit, watch us wait until half way through his HS football season and that wont be the case anymore.  

Now that's a 2* that I would actually be happy with 

[catzacker]

I'm sure ku fans trusted Terry Allen.  Which isn't to say that Ron = Terry, it's to say that just because he's a coach doesn't mean he'll (a) evaluate well enough or (b) - as fatty pointed out, land the recruits he evaluated.  IMO, I don't really judge recruiting classes until they have had time to produce on the field (see the '04 recruiting class) in the mean time though.....

[mjrod]

Ron Prince gets paid over $1 million dollars a year to coach football.  Everyone on his staff earns around $100K minimum.  A HUGE part of their success depends on them evaluating high school talent and recruiting that talent to KSU.  If they do a poor job they will be publically humiliated and forced to sell insurance for $50K per year.

Jeremy Crabtree and Brian Gates and Fitz hand out "stars" to high school players and get you fools to pay them $9.95 per month to see how many "stars" they have awarded to players that are headed to KSU.  They can arbitrarily change these rankings at their whim (ala Joe Lunardi) and their performance will have little (if any) affect on their compensation.  Occasionally they might be questioned about some guy they misjudged and they will reply with: "Yeah, we missed on that one, but it's really difficult to see every player in person."

Now, really.  Who should you dumbasses trust?

Fitz.

I've always said Fitz would make a great coach.

[plaincat killed himself]

Terry Allen didn't take a last place team and turn them into a bowl team with a win over the top 5 rated defending national champion with a crapload of walk-ons, true freshmen and juco transfers.

[kstate16]

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/commitlist.asp

[FBWillie]

I"m getting tired of reading this thread every year.

[Pett]

This sucks, not only are these 2* recruits, but 2* recruits that no other team is after. 

[plaincat killed himself]

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/commitlist.asp

We're getting tight ends that are 6'4" 230+ and run 4.7 40s?  But their 2* rankings indicate that they are not good athletes?

Does Texas get 6'8" 280 guys that run 4.5 with 40" vertical leaps?

[fatty fat fat]

football = doesn't require skill

[catzacker]

KSU recruiting and UT recruiting are pretty similar, imo.  You can tell by the game last year that we have the same caliber of players as they do. 

[michigancat]

This thread is totally going to kill our recruiting.

[mjrod]

This thread is totally going to kill our recruiting.

Should I ban everyone in this thread?

[waks]

This thread is totally going to kill our recruiting.

Should I ban everyone in this thread?

Did I post in it? If so, no.

[plaincat killed himself]

KSU recruiting and UT recruiting are pretty similar, imo.  You can tell by the game last year that we have the same caliber of players as they do. 

If Colt McCoy could have played it might have been different.  It's too bad his shoulder turned into sand with one hit.

[plaincat killed himself]

This thread is totally going to kill our recruiting.

Should I ban everyone in this thread?

I'd be glad to kill myself again.  LMK!

[mjrod]

This thread is totally going to kill our recruiting.

Should I ban everyone in this thread?

I'd be glad to kill myself again.  LMK!

Crap!  I'm doing Rusty's nefarious bidding again!

Forget I said anything.

[catzacker]

KSU recruiting and UT recruiting are pretty similar, imo.  You can tell by the game last year that we have the same caliber of players as they do. 

If Colt McCoy could have played it might have been different.  It's too bad his shoulder turned into sand with one hit.

Freeman took hits all game and wasn't affected, so basically KSU recruiting > Texas recruiting. 

[mjrod]

KSU recruiting and UT recruiting are pretty similar, imo.  You can tell by the game last year that we have the same caliber of players as they do. 

If Colt McCoy could have played it might have been different.  It's too bad his shoulder turned into sand with one hit.

Freeman took hits all game and wasn't affected, so basically KSU recruiting > Texas recruiting. 

Didn't he hurt his hand in that game?

Notice that after he left, and they took out Yamon, we only kicked a FG.

Mack Brown is a dirty coach.

[plaincat killed himself]

When 2* linebackers hit 5* QBs they just bounce off.

3* LBs make the tackle 30% of the time.
4* LBs - 50%.
5* LBs - 80%.

Of course those percentages are also affected by their strength and speed ratings.  5* LBs with 90+ speed and 90+ strength are totally dominant.