Would you take Durant or Oden?

[waks]

PG Jarrett Jack
SG Martell Webster
SF  Brandon Roy  (Rookie of the Year)
PF Durant
C Aldridge


that's more like it!

I thought I remembered hearing that Atlanta has basically guaranteed Acie Law that he will get drafted by them. I know he canceled all of his other workouts. I just can't remember if it was Atlanta that they were talking about. I know it's a team that is in dire need of a point guard..

[WorldWideBalla21]

Then you're going to be extremely disappointed. Besides we want Durant in Seattle so that he's there when they move to KC!

good points, do you really think they're gunna move to KC?

[doom]

Then you're going to be extremely disappointed. Besides we want Durant in Seattle so that he's there when they move to KC!

good points, do you really think they're gunna move to KC?

Not if they get Durant and do well.

[catsfan20012002]

I think OKC has dibs on them but they're going to have to do something with that building they're putting up in KC!

[waks]

Then you're going to be extremely disappointed. Besides we want Durant in Seattle so that he's there when they move to KC!

good points, do you really think they're gunna move to KC?

The Sonics will end up in Oklahoma City. It's practically a done deal.

[rundown87]

PG Jarrett Jack
SG Martell Webster
SF  Brandon Roy  (Rookie of the Year)
PF Durant
C Aldridge


that's more like it!

I thought I remembered hearing that Atlanta has basically guaranteed Acie Law that he will get drafted by them. I know he canceled all of his other workouts. I just can't remember if it was Atlanta that they were talking about. I know it's a team that is in dire need of a point guard..

no rotation on his shot. . .fundamentals

[BullHawkWheel]

Anyone who would take durant over oden is crazy.  oden performed better than durant, was faster stronger, higher vert. etc... and YOU DONT BUILD CHAMPIONSHIP NBA TEAMS AROUND SF!  You build them around diminate centers who can control the paint, and oden is the closest thing to the next duncan that we will see in awhile. 

[doom]

Anyone who would take durant over oden is crazy.  oden performed better than durant, was faster stronger, higher vert. etc... and YOU DONT BUILD CHAMPIONSHIP NBA TEAMS AROUND SF!  You build them around diminate centers who can control the paint, and oden is the closest thing to the next duncan that we will see in awhile. 

What about Cole?

 

[WorldWideBalla21]

Anyone who would take durant over oden is crazy.  oden performed better than durant, was faster stronger, higher vert. etc... and YOU DONT BUILD CHAMPIONSHIP NBA TEAMS AROUND SF!  You build them around diminate centers who can control the paint, and oden is the closest thing to the next duncan that we will see in awhile. 

god that was a terrible post
How the hell did Oden perform better than Durant
Oden- 15ppg  9rpg
Durant- 26ppg  11rpg

The combines IMO are a little bit overated, I wanna see what they do on the court and Durant had a much better season than Oden, and idc if oden's hand was messed up.

[waks]

Anyone who would take durant over oden is crazy.  oden performed better than durant, was faster stronger, higher vert. etc... and YOU DONT BUILD CHAMPIONSHIP NBA TEAMS AROUND SF!  You build them around diminate centers who can control the paint, and oden is the closest thing to the next duncan that we will see in awhile. 

Who was the dominant center on the Bulls' squad of the nineties? For some reason I remember a guy that just went off and did all of the scoring. You know, like what Durant did at UT.

[mjrod]

You take Durant.

[rundown87]

Luc Longley?

[WorldWideBalla21]

I personally don't know if Oden will ever be a franchise player.

[WorldWideBalla21]

Plus it seems like taking a center nowdays has become a risk, think of all the recent busts. Kwame Brown, Andrew Bynum (we'll have to wait and see), and alot more.

[tmramrod91]

Anyone who would take durant over oden is crazy.  oden performed better than durant, was faster stronger, higher vert. etc... and YOU DONT BUILD CHAMPIONSHIP NBA TEAMS AROUND SF!  You build them around diminate centers who can control the paint, and oden is the closest thing to the next duncan that we will see in awhile. 

Bill Cartwright was the sole reason for the Bulls success...obviously.
And your retarded to think oden had a higher vert and is faster than durant.

[BullHawkWheel]

wow.  70% of the teams in the last 26 years that won nba championships had a dominant center.  shaq, duncan, hakeem, kareem, russell, chamberlain, it goes back to the beginning of the nba. you get a dominant center that controls the paint and takes pressure off of your guards, you win championships. take your durant and finish right where tmac, nowitski, garnett, kobe without shaq, pierce, have finished,  as losers.  look at steve nash, he has never made the finals, but many consider him the best guard in the game.  an nba team is nothing without a formidable big man. sorry but durant is not the next jordan, hell lebron isn't even the next jordan.  he is the exception. 

[waks]

Durant will sell tickets. More so than Oden would. That's something that both franchises need.

[BullHawkWheel]

Anyone who would take durant over oden is crazy.  oden performed better than durant, was faster stronger, higher vert. etc... and YOU DONT BUILD CHAMPIONSHIP NBA TEAMS AROUND SF!  You build them around diminate centers who can control the paint, and oden is the closest thing to the next duncan that we will see in awhile. 

Bill Cartwright was the sole reason for the Bulls success...obviously.
And your retarded to think oden had a higher vert and is faster than durant.

hey teamramrd who is retarded now, bitch.

"Oden is faster than Durant in the 3/4-court sprint, quicker in the lane-agility drill, and has better numbers in the running and standing vertical leaps. And, Oden has a mind-boggling 7.8 body-fat percentage ... most big men are north of the 12 percent range. For instance, other top-rated big men such as Washington's Spencer Hawes (13.0), Duke's Josh McRoberts (13.7) and Pitt's Aaron Gray (10.8) don't compare.

Let's get to the specifics.

Oden is 6-foot-11 without shoes, 7-feet with shoes.

He weighs 257 pounds.

His wingspan is 7 feet, 4.25 inches (fourth best in the draft). His standing reach is 9 feet, 4 inches (the highest of anyone in the draft). His standing vertical is 32 inches, his running vertical 34 inches.

The lane agility drill, where a player runs through cones alternating between running backward, sideways and forward, is 11.67 seconds. And his 3/4 court sprint was 3.27 seconds.

The thing that jumps out is Oden's speed and agility.

We all know Oregon's Aaron Brooks is fast. Brooks finished the 3/4 court sprint in 3.2 seconds. Oden was 3.27 seconds. Durant, meanwhile, finished in 3.45.

Oden's 11.67 in the agility drill speaks volumes to the footwork so many scouts rave about. Durant did the same drill in 12.33.

Durant's specifics are as follows:

Height: 6-foot-9 without shoes, 6-foot-10.25 with shoes. Weight: 215.

Wing span: 7-foot-4.75 (second longest in the draft - Maryland's Ekene Ibekwe is 7-6). Standing reach: 9-2.

Body fat: 6.6. Standing vertical jump: 26.0 inches; running vertical jump, 33.5 inches. Lane agility: 12.33 seconds and 3/4 court sprint, 3.45 seconds."

[BullHawkWheel]

Durant will sell tickets. More so than Oden would. That's something that both franchises need.

This explains a lot about k state fans.  You would rather sell tickets than win nba championships.  Don't you think the winning of the nba finals will generate ticket sales?  Duh.

[waks]

Durant will sell tickets. More so than Oden would. That's something that both franchises need.

This explains a lot about k state fans.  You would rather sell tickets than win nba championships.  Don't you think the winning of the nba finals will generate ticket sales?  Duh.

No. It would explain a lot about GMs and owners. I would much rather the Royals/Chiefs when championships. However, management for both teams just tries to sell tickets. You get the point?

[BullHawkWheel]

ok and what is the most effective way to sell tickets?  every single gm owner, coach etc... will say winning championships.  it gets you the most exposure,  pleases the fans, a full year of being the champs and using that to your advantage marketing wise etc...  oden is the best bet to win a championship or even 2 or 3 in the next 10 years. 

[waks]

ok and what is the most effective way to sell tickets?  every single gm owner, coach etc... will say winning championships.  it gets you the most exposure,  pleases the fans, a full year of being the champs and using that to your advantage marketing wise etc...  oden is the best bet to win a championship or even 2 or 3 in the next 10 years. 

But it's still a bet. Durant is a done deal to sell a lot of tickets because he's extremely exciting to watch play. People that don't appreciate San Antonio Spurs-like play won't appreciate the play of Oden. They aren't guaranteed to win a championship so a lot of GMs would just take the easy way out and choose Durant.

[WilliamTheWildcat]

This will be a fun thread to revisit in a few seasons.  Especially if Bong's prediction turns out like his high school and college schooling. 

[bigdeal]

Bong, good work on posting the info on the two players...best post you've ever had here.  Of course, you screwed it up with your next post but, hey, we expected that.  I would take Oden.  I don't think he's Sam Bowie and I don't think Durant is Michael Jordan.  Because of Durant's physical weakness, I think his inside potential is limited.  He could end up being Sharif Abdir Raheem...or T-Mac.  I don't think Oden will be Michael Olawakandi and has a much better chance of being Patrick Ewing...hopefully with better knees.  Good centers that can actually play and contribute in all phases in the post are hard to find.  When you play hoops with a good center the rest of the game is so much easier for the other players.  Oden has been in the national eye for a few years as the up and coming best center prospect.  Andrew Bynum, Olawakandi, etc. were just one year guys the scouts fell in love with.  Oden it is!  That being settled...Sonics to KC?  That would be great and the OK City coliseum supposedly has very few suites for big revenue.  However, AEG is so pumped about the NHL that we'll likely end up with some scrub NHL expansion team...which should last about 5 yrs before moving.

[waks]

Bong, good work on posting the info on the two players...best post you've ever had here.  Of course, you screwed it up with your next post but, hey, we expected that.  I would take Oden.  I don't think he's Sam Bowie and I don't think Durant is Michael Jordan.  Because of Durant's physical weakness, I think his inside potential is limited.  He could end up being Sharif Abdir Raheem...or T-Mac.  I don't think Oden will be Michael Olawakandi and has a much better chance of being Patrick Ewing...hopefully with better knees.  Good centers that can actually play and contribute in all phases in the post are hard to find.  When you play hoops with a good center the rest of the game is so much easier for the other players.  Oden has been in the national eye for a few years as the up and coming best center prospect.  Andrew Bynum, Olawakandi, etc. were just one year guys the scouts fell in love with.  Oden it is!  That being settled...Sonics to KC?  That would be great and the OK City coliseum supposedly has very few suites for big revenue.  However, AEG is so pumped about the NHL that we'll likely end up with some scrub NHL expansion team...which should last about 5 yrs before moving.

They want both for the Sprint Center. NBA and NHL. I have no complaints. I really want an NBA team.

The Sprint Center was 250 million and the Ford Center was only 80 million. The Sprint Center also holds more than the Ford Center and offers I think three times the amount of revenue. But still, Liewenke is from OKC. The Oklahoma City fans proved that they'd show for an NBA team. If the Sonics move, it will be to OKC.

[bigdeal]

The Sprint Center was 250 million and the Ford Center was only 80 million. The Sprint Center also holds more than the Ford Center and offers I think three times the amount of revenue.

I know OKC has been considered at the front because of ties from ownership, but 3x the revenue is a strong allure. 

I know the stated line has been and NBA and an NHL team.  I just keep seeing and hearing AEG working on NHL stuff.  I know there is no imminent NBA move (other than the Sonics potential move...and, of course, the New Orleans team), but I sure would like to see some NBA focus.  The Penguins made sense because they presumably would've been able to win the first few seasons and that would perhaps make enough new fans to set them up for slower seasons.  With Nashville out, an expansion team is, I think death to hockey in KC.  The NBA already has some following and everyone knows how the game is played (or at least thinks they do).  My heart is obviously with an NBA team as well.  I'd just like to hear that AEG is working on that. 

[The Nasti]

You cannot go wrong with either of these guys. I think both will be perennial all-stars at some point in their career. The big man has been central to most NBA championship teams (especially those in the dynasty category), except for Mr. Jordan of course, but recent rule changes have altered the way the NBA game is reffed making it a more perimeter oriented game. In other words, I think more than ever in the last 20 years, the NBA game is about perimeter speed. You cannot check players in the paint the way you used to, making a quick perimeter player with ball skills who can shoot free throws, very valuable. So.....I'd take Durant because, irregardless of his agility scores, etc. the man just looks like a natural player on the floor and his ceiling is much higher. Ball skills can be improved and probably will. Oden is a beast and Portland will likely take him because the perception that a possible hall of fame center could land in their laps is just too tantalizing based on NBA history mentioned above. Anyone thinking that they will take Durant based on things being said about how well his workout went is crazy. From the Blazers perspective, they need to tout Durant as the man and keep giving people even the slightest idea that they may take him. Basically, they are probably listening to any and all offers and an effective way to maximize the # of offer you get and the quality is to keep what you are doing secretive. Bottom line, Oden did not work out with Seattle for a reason - he will be a Blazer.

The A. Law to the Hawks rumor sounds like it is going to happen. I suppose it depends on how bad the Hawks want to draft a C/PF at #3, b/c I doubt they take Law there, more than likely at #11 (or whatever their other pick is).

PS - How stupid is this guy for staying in the draft? I suppose I'd want to leave Stillwater, OK too though.

[BullHawkWheel]

waks, i am going to use the chiefs against you. we have one of the most electrifying players in the nfl on our team in larry johnson, but i gaurantee you when we start to finish 7-9 and 6-10, arrowhead will be half full.  i have season tickets to chiefs games and i can tell you the demand for tickets were astronomical the year after 97 and 03, because we fielded a dominate team that won.  look at it this year.  we are already advertising for chiefs tickets that are going on sale and it is june.  i have never seen an advertisement for chiefs tickets before late july/early august.  if you dont win, you will not fill up the stands.  simple as that.

[waks]

waks, i am going to use the chiefs against you. we have one of the most electrifying players in the nfl on our team in larry johnson, but i gaurantee you when we start to finish 7-9 and 6-10, arrowhead will be half full.  i have season tickets to chiefs games and i can tell you the demand for tickets were astronomical the year after 97 and 03, because we fielded a dominate team that won.  look at it this year.  we are already advertising for chiefs tickets that are going on sale and it is june.  i have never seen an advertisement for chiefs tickets before late july/early august.  if you dont win, you will not fill up the stands.  simple as that.

So you're telling me that you wouldn't follow the Hawks if you guys started tanking in basketball? Why do thirty thousand people still routinely go to your football games? The Chiefs have how many consecutive sell out seasons? Under how many mediocre years? Same with the Huskers. They had some down years but have sold out every single game since the seventies. Management cares about making money. Durant is a sure fire way to do that because he is exciting to watch. Oden isn't the most exciting player to watch and also doesn't guarantee a championship, he doesn't even come close to guaranteeing one. I'm not saying Durant will go number one but people make too much of this whole Oden is guaranteed number 1.

[WorldWideBalla21]

waks, i am going to use the chiefs against you. we have one of the most electrifying players in the nfl on our team in larry johnson, but i gaurantee you when we start to finish 7-9 and 6-10, arrowhead will be half full.  i have season tickets to chiefs games and i can tell you the demand for tickets were astronomical the year after 97 and 03, because we fielded a dominate team that won.  look at it this year.  we are already advertising for chiefs tickets that are going on sale and it is june.  i have never seen an advertisement for chiefs tickets before late july/early august.  if you dont win, you will not fill up the stands.  simple as that.

Dude are you retarded. The Chiefs have the best fans in the NFL, they could go 5-11 and every game would still be sold out. They've been through some down years in the recent past, 6-10 and 7-9 w/in the last 5 years, and each year arrowhead was filled every game.