New KSU football roster including recruits......

[The Manhatter]

Certainly not illegal.  Ethically it seems a little fishy.  Saying all schools do it doesn't make it more ethical.  And Prince is hardly the only new coach in D-1, but he is the one with consecutive classes of 31 and 32.  Seems like the school can drop a kid if they want to after he's been placed at a Juco (if I understand it right).   Pretty sure that's not what a kid would be counting on when he signed a LOI to KSU (or any other university).  But I will digress, recruiting/college football is a shady business overall.

   

please clarify what is unethical about it?  You act as though these kids don't know they are heading to juco...they do.  LOL.  Everything is up front...nothing unethical about it.  If you say "it sounds unethical" doesn't make it so...maybe if you gave a reasonable explanation but based on this thread not much of what you have said has been reasonable or knowledgable.

LOL on consecutive classes of 31 or 32...I guess you didn't read.  It was 29 and 32(= 61) and some of those w/ in the 29 count BACK to the '05 class.  Pretty easy stuff.

[waks]

The only kid that Prince has actually &@#%ed over was Adonis Thomas and he's headed to Tulsa so it's not likely he got hurt that bad.. I guess you could say he screwed Everidge, Webb and Lopina over but Webb is really the only one hurting from that situation..

[catsfan20012002]

How come Brandon Walls isn't on there?

[KSU4ME]

Josh Scobey is a great example of signing a HS kid, placing him at JC, and the JC protecting him to send him back to KSU.  Schools were all over him after his JC years, and there was never a question that he was coming to KSU.

[Sandman]

Certainly not illegal.  Ethically it seems a little fishy.  Saying all schools do it doesn't make it more ethical.  And Prince is hardly the only new coach in D-1, but he is the one with consecutive classes of 31 and 32.  Seems like the school can drop a kid if they want to after he's been placed at a Juco (if I understand it right).   Pretty sure that's not what a kid would be counting on when he signed a LOI to KSU (or any other university).  But I will digress, recruiting/college football is a shady business overall.

   

please clarify what is unethical about it?  You act as though these kids don't know they are heading to juco...they do.  LOL.  Everything is up front...nothing unethical about it.  If you say "it sounds unethical" doesn't make it so...maybe if you gave a reasonable explanation but based on this thread not much of what you have said has been reasonable or knowledgable. 

LOL on consecutive classes of 31 or 32...I guess you didn't read.  It was 29 and 32(= 61) and some of those w/ in the 29 count BACK to the '05 class.  Pretty easy stuff.

Kid commits to KSU with coach telling him "we've got to place you in a Juco for a couple of years, then you're coming to KSU to play."  Kid puts in his two years at Juco, but KSU coach now says "we really don't want or need you any more, sorry it's just not going to work out."  Kid committed to KSU with every intention of playing there, coach then decides not bring the kid to KSU.  Sucks for the kid.  Not illegal, but unethical.  Unless you're saying every kid they place, assuming they qualify, will play ball at KSU.

By the way, even if your 61 number is correct, no other school matches that.  So LOL. 

[WildCatzPhreak]

It's not too unethical because the kid is the one that screwed up in the first place.  If he would have made grades, there never would have been a problem and he'd be at K-state already.

[The Manhatter]

Kid commits to KSU with coach telling him "we've got to place you in a Juco for a couple of years, then you're coming to KSU to play."  Kid puts in his two years at Juco, but KSU coach now says "we really don't want or need you any more, sorry it's just not going to work out."  Kid committed to KSU with every intention of playing there, coach then decides not bring the kid to KSU.  Sucks for the kid.  Not illegal, but unethical.

Hmmm...our coaches, and other coaches, should not have held a gun to those kids' heads to force their signature.  Oh, you mean they signed for themselves and made their own decisions?

Christ...either you're an all out sock or an idiot.

So, according to you, this kid can go JC and as long as he makes his grades he can do whatever he wants...be an attitude problem, not workout, not perform...nothing.  But it's unethical if KSU (OR ANY OTHER PROGRAM) does not take them back.

Let's use Nebraska as an example since you're prolly a Nubb sock.  How about Wallace Franklin or Ricky Henry?  Why did NU not re-sign Franklin and why will NU not re-sign Henry?  Unethical Nubbs.

Happens everywhere...sounds like you should talk to somebody about it.

LOL..you still don't get that it's not even 61.

[waks]

How come Brandon Walls isn't on there?

Wow.

[yosh]

Hasn't rivals consistently had our class in the 40's since 2001? Seems decently accurate.

It's not just how they rank the classes overall, it's how they rank the individual players in the class.  They never know who the best players are and who the questionable players are.  I mean don't even look at the rankings in the context of comparing to other schools' classes.  Just take K-State classes completely isolated and look how they rank K-State players against each other.  The guys they always say are good, suck...and vice-versa.  I don't buy the theory that it's all about potential and we just got overacheiving scrubs and underachieving studs either.  Snyder didn't coach Aaron Lockett, Terence Newman and Yamon Figurs to be the fastest players in college football.  That was god given.  Guys like Bishop, Quincy Morgan and Jeff Kelly didn't go from 2 star scrubs to NCAA All-Americans and NFL draft picks over a summer workout.  On the other end of the spectrum, guys like Jerome Janet and Chris Boggas just weren't very good football players.  It's the same story year after year after year.  If you can find them, review the classes over the past 12 years.  Look at who the 4 and 5 star guys are and look at who the 2 and zero star guys are.  Then you'll see why I have no faith in Rivals evaluations on football players.  It's pointless to even look at them.  Basketball has been pretty good over that time though.

[Maxell]

Kid commits to KSU with coach telling him "we've got to place you in a Juco for a couple of years, then you're coming to KSU to play."  Kid puts in his two years at Juco, but KSU coach now says "we really don't want or need you any more, sorry it's just not going to work out."  Kid committed to KSU with every intention of playing there, coach then decides not bring the kid to KSU.  Sucks for the kid.  Not illegal, but unethical.

Hmmm...our coaches, and other coaches, should not have held a gun to those kids' heads to force their signature.  Oh, you mean they signed for themselves and made their own decisions?

Christ...either you're an all out sock or an idiot.

So, according to you, this kid can go JC and as long as he makes his grades he can do whatever he wants...be an attitude problem, not workout, not perform...nothing.  But it's unethical if KSU (OR ANY OTHER PROGRAM) does not take them back.

Let's use Nebraska as an example since you're prolly a Nubb sock.  How about Wallace Franklin or Ricky Henry?  Why did NU not re-sign Franklin and why will NU not re-sign Henry?  Unethical Nubbs.

Happens everywhere...sounds like you should talk to somebody about it.

LOL..you still don't get that it's not even 61.

Because Franklin dropped the ball academically (it will be a miracle if he makes it to ISU) and some people close to him said to stop recruiting him. As for Ricky, well he has some issues that probably became much clearer to the staff during his time up at North Dakota Science. Leave it at that. You're clearly not as in the know about Nebraska as you think Hatter.

[waks]

Kid commits to KSU with coach telling him "we've got to place you in a Juco for a couple of years, then you're coming to KSU to play."  Kid puts in his two years at Juco, but KSU coach now says "we really don't want or need you any more, sorry it's just not going to work out."  Kid committed to KSU with every intention of playing there, coach then decides not bring the kid to KSU.  Sucks for the kid.  Not illegal, but unethical.

Hmmm...our coaches, and other coaches, should not have held a gun to those kids' heads to force their signature.  Oh, you mean they signed for themselves and made their own decisions?

Christ...either you're an all out sock or an idiot.

So, according to you, this kid can go JC and as long as he makes his grades he can do whatever he wants...be an attitude problem, not workout, not perform...nothing.  But it's unethical if KSU (OR ANY OTHER PROGRAM) does not take them back.

Let's use Nebraska as an example since you're prolly a Nubb sock.  How about Wallace Franklin or Ricky Henry?  Why did NU not re-sign Franklin and why will NU not re-sign Henry?  Unethical Nubbs.

Happens everywhere...sounds like you should talk to somebody about it.

LOL..you still don't get that it's not even 61.

Because Franklin dropped the ball academically (it will be a miracle if he makes it to ISU) and some people close to him said to stop recruiting him. As for Ricky, well he has some issues that probably became much clearer to the staff during his time up at North Dakota Science. Leave it at that. You're clearly not as in the know about Nebraska as you think Hatter.

Wow. Talk about over someone's head.

[FBWillie]

Because Franklin dropped the ball academically (it will be a miracle if he makes it to ISU) and some people close to him said to stop recruiting him. As for Ricky, well he has some issues that probably became much clearer to the staff during his time up at North Dakota Science. Leave it at that. You're clearly not as in the know about Nebraska as you think Hatter.

that's exactly the point he was trying to make dumb ass.

 

[JTKSU]

Many times a kid's placement at a juco is esentially a probationary period.  If a kid demonstrates the desire to work on his academic progress while playing college football, it bodes well for him to continue that practice at the D1 level.  If a kid with questionable academic history (in high school) continues to shrug off school at a juco, many coaches will feel it is not in the university's best interest to sign him.  These kids being placed are aware of this, and they also know that the university they originally signed with has no legal rights over them once they sign with that juco.  If the feeling is mutual, after two years, the kid may choose to resign, or he may choose to sign elsewhere.  Being protected at a juco is only important if the kid does not want to talk to other schools.  The coach can't keep him away from recruiters, but he can make it more difficult for recruiters to soliciate players.

[Sandman]

Kid commits to KSU with coach telling him "we've got to place you in a Juco for a couple of years, then you're coming to KSU to play."  Kid puts in his two years at Juco, but KSU coach now says "we really don't want or need you any more, sorry it's just not going to work out."  Kid committed to KSU with every intention of playing there, coach then decides not bring the kid to KSU.  Sucks for the kid.  Not illegal, but unethical.

Hmmm...our coaches, and other coaches, should not have held a gun to those kids' heads to force their signature.  Oh, you mean they signed for themselves and made their own decisions?

Christ...either you're an all out sock or an idiot.

So, according to you, this kid can go JC and as long as he makes his grades he can do whatever he wants...be an attitude problem, not workout, not perform...nothing.  But it's unethical if KSU (OR ANY OTHER PROGRAM) does not take them back.

Let's use Nebraska as an example since you're prolly a Nubb sock.  How about Wallace Franklin or Ricky Henry?  Why did NU not re-sign Franklin and why will NU not re-sign Henry?  Unethical Nubbs.

Happens everywhere...sounds like you should talk to somebody about it.

LOL..you still don't get that it's not even 61.

What does "all out sock" mean?  I know it goes on at other universities, that's my point.   And I see you're a fan of hyperbole.  My point is if a kid does everything perfect at the Juco, KSU can still kick him to the curb.  Even though the kid made a commitment to KSU and KSU made a commitment to him. 

Take your job a McDonald's; they tell you they've got to place you in Sioux City for two years to start out, but after that they're bringing you to Chicago to the big time.  You put in your time in Sioux City, doing everything right (mopping floors, getting fries that perfect crispy brown, not spitting on the food); but come the two years McDonald's says they really don't have any use for you anymore and now are you not only not going to Chicago but now you're without a job.  Sure you can try and find a WhataBurger or Subway, but it sure isn't what you wanted when you made the initial committment to McDonald's. 

Oh, and since you're all knowing on the recruiting tip.  You earlier said Walls was being placed at a Juco.  According to 'Waks', his mother says he'll be at KSU.  We should trust you over his mother right.  Because it's common knowledge to everyone that Walls is going Juco and then to KSU.

[waks]

Walls hasn't qualified yet. That is what Hatter said. His mother said he still has the opportunity to qualify. Ofcourse his mother thinks he will pass this test. But if he doesn't, he will be going Juco.

[Sandman]

He made no such distinction, at least not in this thread. 

[The Manhatter]

Oh, and since you're all knowing on the recruiting tip.  You earlier said Walls was being placed at a Juco.  According to 'Waks', his mother says he'll be at KSU.  We should trust you over his mother right.  Because it's common knowledge to everyone that Walls is going Juco and then to KSU.

Walls didn't appear on the roster...we assumed him to be one of the non-qualifiers.  The update w/ his mother came out AFTER the start of this thread.  Nobody is calling his mother a liar...sock.

[Sandman]

You're a sock, ya silly kid.

[ksuno1stunner]

Usually JUCO coaches will be happy to take placed players, so they'll usually encourage them to resign later on.