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May 29, 2007, 05:07:18 PM
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May 29, 2007, 05:11:19 PM
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Congrats on making the grade Danny!


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It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

May 29, 2007, 05:12:58 PM
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Hogan... Plans to major in business and open an employment agency for ex-convicts following graduation.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

May 29, 2007, 05:14:10 PM
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Jamal Schulters and Courtney Edmond have been on the updated rosters, but neither one made it. Still, it is a good sign because none of the other guys who double-signed with jucos is on there.

May 29, 2007, 05:17:37 PM
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Also, the rumors we heard on Jake Roepke about not being eligible I guess are true. He's not on there.

YESS!!!!

But on the other hand....

Kirk & Freeze are on there.

 :-[ :frown: :blindfold: :blank: :banghead:

May 29, 2007, 05:47:25 PM
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May 29, 2007, 06:23:10 PM
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Also, the rumors we heard on Jake Roepke about not being eligible I guess are true. He's not on there.
I guess all of that growling was for nothing...  :'(

May 29, 2007, 07:01:19 PM
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I was told that during the last 40 days of school, Roepke missed 19 of them and did not turn in much homework.  :eek:

May 29, 2007, 07:11:32 PM
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Evans
Harris
Haynes
McDaniel
Roepke
Walls

They will now become the recruits we can't do w/ out(the best of the class) per Nubb and beak.   :rolleyes:

May 29, 2007, 07:51:23 PM
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Evans
Harris
Haynes
McDaniel
Roepke
Walls

They will now become the recruits we can't do w/ out(the best of the class) per Nubb and beak.   :rolleyes:

Walls is a pretty big loss, no?  Top 100 Texas player.

May 29, 2007, 08:25:12 PM
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yeah, Walls is the biggest loss. I would imagine Jayson Cuba has a good shot at not grayshirting. He can already start benching in June, so it would be good for him to take a redshirt and continue his rehab within the program starting this summer. I suppose there is an outside shot some late recruit could show up to use the open 'ship, but I'd bet that's pretty unlikely.

May 29, 2007, 08:27:32 PM
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I see Purvis has put on 7 lbs of rock hard lean muscle.

May 29, 2007, 08:31:47 PM
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Someone needs to do a breakdown of hometown states.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

May 29, 2007, 08:37:15 PM
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as far as talent goes I would rank Walls 4th on that list behind McDaniel, Haynes, and Harris.


May 29, 2007, 08:48:14 PM
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i think Walls was the only one on the list that we didn't know was going juco. if he ends up at Navarro, maybe he can tell the Webb kid from Texas to transfer here.  :blush:

May 29, 2007, 08:58:16 PM
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at least we know Webb has visited Manhattan and seen some of the facilities, and game atmosphere. (45-42)  :thumbsup:

May 29, 2007, 09:34:23 PM
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My thought is you never really know which recruits are going to make it until they're enrolled in their first class. We have LaTravis Washington listed on the NU roster for 2007 and he's probably not going to enroll until January. Demetrious Davis probably needs to go to JUCO for a year as well and he is listed. Those guys not on there might be the ones that are absolutely ruled out.

May 29, 2007, 10:08:35 PM
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Evans
Harris
Haynes
McDaniel
Roepke
Walls

They will now become the recruits we can't do w/ out(the best of the class) per Nubb and beak.   :rolleyes:

as far as talent goes I would rank Walls 4th on that list behind McDaniel, Haynes, and Harris.



Those two statements really don't mesh.  You insinuate that losing these guys aren't that big a deal.  Then you claim that 3 of them are better than Walls who was number 70 on the Rivals Texas 100.  So basically you're saying losing 4 players who are at least Texas top 70 caliber players is alright.  How does that make sense?

May 29, 2007, 10:09:33 PM
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I think we will all be sweating until we know Hogan is on campus this summer and taking summer school.  And we'll sweat until Patterson is physically on campus and in summer school...and Abana should have us worried.  He looks far too talented for the lack of offers and according to a poster his facebook says he will be in summer school at JC until August.  That makes me very nervous.


May 29, 2007, 10:12:29 PM
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Then you claim that 3 of them are better than Walls who was number 70 on the Rivals Texas 100.

That is exactly what I am saying.  Some believe in recruiting rankings...I do not.  Yes, I believe the three mentioned are better talents than Walls.  And others disagree on Walls.  Who is to say who is correct between the recruiting services?  I form my own opinions...we have had players who I feel were overrated and some who were underrated. 

May 29, 2007, 10:27:13 PM
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I'm guessing that 2 of the 3 guys you have rated ahead of Walls were pretty much bypassed by the recruiting services because they didn't have much chance of qualifying. That happens.

May 29, 2007, 10:29:28 PM
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Lamark is on there? Phog.net was sure he didn't qualify!

Hmmm...wonder why they are so afraid of him.?
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May 29, 2007, 10:30:03 PM
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Then you claim that 3 of them are better than Walls who was number 70 on the Rivals Texas 100.

That is exactly what I am saying.  Some believe in recruiting rankings...I do not.  Yes, I believe the three mentioned are better talents than Walls.  And others disagree on Walls.  Who is to say who is correct between the recruiting services?  I form my own opinions...we have had players who I feel were overrated and some who were underrated. 


How much free time do you have to watch hours and hours on end of high school recruiting video?  I will trust Rivals more than you.  I don't see how you can claim to have better info than they do.  If you are this great recruiting guru, then maybe you need to start your own service and charge us simpletons for your wealth of knowledge.

May 29, 2007, 10:42:26 PM
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I will trust Rivals more than you.

umm...okay.  Good.  After I get over having my feelings crushed I think I'll get back to forming my own opinions again.  And it doesn't take "hours and hours" to watch a few video clips.   :tongue:


May 29, 2007, 11:00:38 PM
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May 29, 2007, 11:05:52 PM
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Grades.

Yeah, it sucks, but Hogan made the roster when many other non qualifier possibilities did not.  Which means he probably has a good shot.

Manhattan Christian College FTW!  (k-state basically handfeeds A's to our athletes through this juco.)*


*Not really, but that would be cool.  Or maybe they do, I don't really know.


May 29, 2007, 11:22:12 PM
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I will trust Rivals more than you.

umm...okay.  Good.  After I get over having my feelings crushed I think I'll get back to forming my own opinions again.  And it doesn't take "hours and hours" to watch a few video clips.   :tongue:



So I'm supposed to take your word over Rivals because you ". . . watch a few video clips"?  Don't they watch the same clips you do, and probably a heck of a lot more?  So wouldn't you think they would know a smidge more than you.  Now, I'm not saying these ratings are the end all in evaluating recruits.  But I will take their word over yours, as most rational folks will.  But keep puffing that chest out.

May 30, 2007, 12:56:21 AM
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So I'm supposed to take your word over Rivals because you ". . . watch a few video clips"?  Don't they watch the same clips you do, and probably a heck of a lot more?  So wouldn't you think they would know a smidge more than you.

I never suggested you had to believe and I really don't care.  But I will say that rivals NEVER received video of McDaniel, Haynes, or Harris so they would have a hard time judging the better player over Walls now wouldn't they?

McDaniel was defensive player of the year in St. Louis metro according to St. Louis Post Dispatch and had over 1K receiving yards as a receiver as well.  And he long jumped nearly 24 feet.  Sounds like a bit of a player huh?

Harris...well he's 6-4 220 and played safety for East St. Louis and the hit he makes on the receiver on KSU's official site...lol. 

Haynes...hits like a train, 6 feet, and qualified for the state track meet in 100 and 200 in Florida's largest classification.

We're not talking about podunk kids...we're talking about kids rivals barely followed because they were not going to qualify.

So I will reiterate...out of the 6 I think Walls is 4th most talented.  He's an undersized LB..oh, he's good but he's not as talented as the 3 mentioned.

And I'm spent..have a good one.


May 30, 2007, 02:36:37 AM
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I will trust Rivals more than you.

umm...okay.  Good.  After I get over having my feelings crushed I think I'll get back to forming my own opinions again.  And it doesn't take "hours and hours" to watch a few video clips.   :tongue:



So I'm supposed to take your word over Rivals because you ". . . watch a few video clips"?  Don't they watch the same clips you do, and probably a heck of a lot more?  So wouldn't you think they would know a smidge more than you.  Now, I'm not saying these ratings are the end all in evaluating recruits.  But I will take their word over yours, as most rational folks will.  But keep puffing that chest out.

This is the 12th recruiting class K-State has hauled in since I started to pay attention to football recruiting.  After 12 years of reading Rivals and listening to Manhatter, I will say Manhatter has a much higher percentage of being correct when it comes to K-State recruits.  It's not even close.  Manhatter may come off a bit abrasive sometimes, and he's certainly not perfect, but he's fairly knowledgible and does good research.  He isn't the only poster I would listen to over Rivals either.  Rivals rankings, when it comes to any recruit not in the top 100 or so, is generally beyond horrible.  If you are serious about following football recruiting completely ignore anything Rivals says about: a. three star or lower highschool players, or b. JUCO players.  If you just spend 20 minutes googling these type of recruits on the internet, you will likely already have done more research than Rivals has on them.  Most recruiting enthusiasts (freaks) only use Rivals a tool to see who their school is interested in.  They don't take the ratings or the measurables seriously. You shouldn't either.  I mean do you honestly believe that every incoming skill position freshman in America runs a 4.5 40 or better?  Who do you think does more research, obsessed fans who know the names of the walk-on longsnappers or Rivals who sometimes has to add a player to the database, and quiclkly slap a couple of stars on them, after they have committed to a school.  LOL @ Rivals evaluations.  It's harder to name K-State players they were right about then it is to name players they were wrong about.   
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May 30, 2007, 06:41:18 AM
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Yosh, one good example of what you are talking about is with Jeremy Mack. He was injured his junior year and played healthy in only 5 games. Rivals had zero film and slapped 2 stars on him early in the process. Jeremy Crabtree, a KC native, had every opportunity to watch film on the kid since a couple of his games were on cable in KC, but he just never had time to look at it. Eventually, Mack had some pretty impressive offers from a handful of BCS schools despite what his profile shows, but Rivals never really evaluated him beyond talking to opposing coaches before his senior year. Also, later in the process, politics begins to play into how the ratings work. Crabtree is far more interested in keeping the subscribers from the bigtime schools happy by giving their players higher ratings, and it doesn't look good when he shifts their recruits down in favor of guys from schools that have a smaller membership on their network.

I'm not saying the kid is or is not better than 2 stars, but rivals really didn't do much to evaluate him after an injury-plagued junior year. You can see why they swing and miss so often with their ratings.