KSU fans with facebook,...

[ksuno1stunner]

Yea, I'd like to see the NCAA try and crack down on that.

[dr00d]

(yes this includes going to a single game)

I disagree.  Feel free to cite some "case law" from past violation reports, or any other concrete support for this opinion.

Also, bear in mind that all five of those points fall under the clause "...is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution’s
executive or athletics administration to..."  So even if buying a GA ticket to one game qualifies you for (b) (it won't), it still does not qualify you under 13.02.13 if the administration has no reasonable expectation to be aware of you.  The greater point here is that to be a "representative" requires some degree of mutual awareness or acknowledgement from the administration.  I once paid to watch a ku/KSU game in Lawrence, but that doesn't put me in a position to commit recruiting violations on behalf of ku.

HTH.

Save the smugness for when you're right, someday down the road.

kono

You realize the same basic rules apply (no freebies, no money given to them) to the student-athlete after they play for your team, right? AKA-Big Red Autos wasn't a known mutually aware designator to hand out money to quarterbacks on the team.  But OU is still paying for it. 

[konofo]

You realize the same basic rules apply (no freebies, no money given to them) to the student-athlete after they play for your team, right? AKA-Big Red Autos wasn't a known mutually aware designator to hand out money to quarterbacks on the team.  But OU is still paying for it. 

We're not talking about improper benefits, we're talking about improper contact.  Keep your orange trees out of the apple orchard.

kono

[Leyton]

dr00d once scolded dr00d's grandmother for shooting fireworks in the driveway on the 4th of July.

[chum1]

People involved with the get-in-touch-with-a-player gaygency are acting like typical 18 year olds who think that getting busted is an impossibility.  They couldn't be more wrong about that.  They need to instead be saying, "we'll take our chances."

[fatty fat fat]

People involved with the get-in-touch-with-a-player gaygency are acting like typical 18 year olds who think that getting busted is an impossibility.  They couldn't be more wrong about that.  They need to instead be saying, "we'll take our chances."

[dr00d]

You realize the same basic rules apply (no freebies, no money given to them) to the student-athlete after they play for your team, right? AKA-Big Red Autos wasn't a known mutually aware designator to hand out money to quarterbacks on the team.  But OU is still paying for it. 

We're not talking about improper benefits, we're talking about improper contact.  Keep your orange trees out of the apple orchard.

kono

no, we are talking about how someone doesn't have to be affiliated with the school to get them in deep crap.

[RckChlkHawks]

Perhaps you should actually know the rules before responding.

Here is an actual catbacker website with instructions on what is allowed with prospective recruits and other players related to NCAA rules.
http://ictcatbackers.tripod.com/ictcatncaa.html#a_recruiting

The only reason I post the website is because the actually NCAA wording is about like reading any law book (completely loose interpetation)

# DO NOT initiate conversation. If conversation is initiated.
# DO NOT discuss Kansas State athletic programs with them. Direct their questions to the Kansas State Athletic Department. (13.1.2)
# NO attempt should be made to contact or recruit the prospect at these events. (This could be seen as facebook/myspace/other message boards as well)

Now read through those and tell me that Facebook doesn't fall into one of the list on the page.  Sure, you may not be asking direct questions or initiating conversation yourself, but do you think every fan even knows the rules? 

I'm about as big of a fan of wildcat athletics as they come and I don't want to see our university getting dinged for this crap that is easily avoidable if the NCAA actually starts to persue this issue.  We have enough crap working against us.  IE--the word Kansas (as in the state) pretty much gets immediate redicule for anyone outside of the state.  I'm sure you can talk to Elliot about other "crappy kansas" things that work against the university while recruiting.

The point is, I don't believe you should be telling people to "initiate contact" on facebook or otherwise for the single fact that most people don't know the rules of contact.

Im sorry but do you think the NCAA is going to hack into the kids facebook account to check this out?  And what if its not an actual student but just someone who happens to like KSTATE?  This means I could create a facebook account, deck it out with kstate and then start trying to fanagle recruits and get your program put on probation right?  No way for them to monitor something like this

[ksuno1stunner]

Perhaps you should actually know the rules before responding.

Here is an actual catbacker website with instructions on what is allowed with prospective recruits and other players related to NCAA rules.
http://ictcatbackers.tripod.com/ictcatncaa.html#a_recruiting

The only reason I post the website is because the actually NCAA wording is about like reading any law book (completely loose interpetation)

# DO NOT initiate conversation. If conversation is initiated.
# DO NOT discuss Kansas State athletic programs with them. Direct their questions to the Kansas State Athletic Department. (13.1.2)
# NO attempt should be made to contact or recruit the prospect at these events. (This could be seen as facebook/myspace/other message boards as well)

Now read through those and tell me that Facebook doesn't fall into one of the list on the page.  Sure, you may not be asking direct questions or initiating conversation yourself, but do you think every fan even knows the rules? 

I'm about as big of a fan of wildcat athletics as they come and I don't want to see our university getting dinged for this crap that is easily avoidable if the NCAA actually starts to persue this issue.  We have enough crap working against us.  IE--the word Kansas (as in the state) pretty much gets immediate redicule for anyone outside of the state.  I'm sure you can talk to Elliot about other "crappy kansas" things that work against the university while recruiting.

The point is, I don't believe you should be telling people to "initiate contact" on facebook or otherwise for the single fact that most people don't know the rules of contact.

Im sorry but do you think the NCAA is going to hack into the kids facebook account to check this out?  And what if its not an actual student but just someone who happens to like KSTATE?  This means I could create a facebook account, deck it out with kstate and then start trying to fanagle recruits and get your program put on probation right?  No way for them to monitor something like this

Agreed, all schools have to do is act like they are against this type of stuff, like Kentucky did.

[konofo]

You realize the same basic rules apply (no freebies, no money given to them) to the student-athlete after they play for your team, right? AKA-Big Red Autos wasn't a known mutually aware designator to hand out money to quarterbacks on the team.  But OU is still paying for it. 

We're not talking about improper benefits, we're talking about improper contact.  Keep your orange trees out of the apple orchard.

kono

no, we are talking about how someone doesn't have to be affiliated with the school to get them in deep @#%$.

I couldn't find any NCAA report of the Bomar violations, so I'm going from memory instead of concrete facts here, but as I understand it, the dealership in question would qualify as a representative of interests under 13.02.13 (d), as a provider of benefits to the student-athlete(s).  The NCAA could certainly expect the football program to be aware of the employers of its players.  Whether the administration should have been aware of the impropriety involved with that representative and those benefits is debatable, or perhaps even irrelevant, but that's for the infraction committee to ponder.  Again, nothing comparable to anything we're dealing with here.  None of us would qualify under 13.02.13 (d), because, again, we're growing apples over here.

kono

[chum1]

Paying players?  Not gay.
Facebook gaygencies?  Gayer than eight guys &@#%ing nine guys.

[Trog]

Perhaps you should actually know the rules before responding.


# DO NOT discuss Kansas State athletic programs with them. Direct their questions to the Kansas State Athletic Department. (13.1.2)

I think it is safe to say that the fine upstanding citizens on this message board are incapable of discussing the KSU athletic programs, with the exception of DAX, who knows all the rules.  Now discussions about Aggieville, etc, are clearly within the knowledge and appears to be safe.