The difference between Snyder and Prince.

[mjrod]

Based on some of the revelations of how Snyder recruited, and the vision of Prince, how do you see the changes in our recruiting practices affecting our ability to attract talent to our school?

Let me say that I was, at the very least, surprised about what I heard regarding recruiting under Snyder, and how it worked.   It appears that as staff changed, so did the emphasis on recruiting.   At the same time, there are some trends in how Snyder managed each aspect of the program the longer he stayed in.  In fact, I'm of the belief that many of the stories of the detail oriented may have actually gotten more intense.   This may have affected our ability to recruit well after the Big 12 Championship game in 2003.

[sonofdaxjones]

Snyder lost sight of the reality that talent helps you win.   The Big 12 has to many good coaches ... there was no way he could just continue to get the marginal talent and coach'm up. 

Everything I've heard is that Prince is turning Vanier into a Techno Palace ... I saw some recent pics and there's flat screens and such going up all over the damn place.  He's got a 72 inch plasma screen in his office.   

[Fausto]

Only due to the blessing of Ell Roberson attending summer camp in Manhattan does he commit to K-State.  If this doesn't happen what upper-level Big XII QB does K-State get and in what class?  I'm not sure this question can be answered.  I use QB as just one example...the swings and misses as well as taken pitches that could have been home runs.  Ugh.  I don't even want to think about it.

The overall lack of aggressiveness on "the trail" was a huge liability for this program...

[michigancat]

Someone on ksf.com posted that Prince gave his assistants authority to text offers to their top-5 2007 recruits at each position.

That's incredibly different from Snyder in so many ways.

Allowing all KS HS and JUCO coaches to attend practices seems like a great way to connect with local coaches.  Plus, ksu_FAN can give us midweek practice reports now.


Once Prince starts to build long-term relationships with players and coaches, I think we will start to land a few players Snyder wouldn't have even taken a shot at.

[fatty fat fat]

Prince is so much betteier than Snyder

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

So you all admit that Snyder lost his edge?

[mjrod]

There's nothing to admit to anything.   Facts are facts.   Snyder's system worked no doubt.   So well, in fact, ku got hammered every year and was an embarrassment to our schedule.

Prince has adapted our recruiting to the lastest technology and given us a new start that will no doubt, continue KSU's domination of ku, but bring us back to the pinnacle of the North Division and eventually, the Big 12.

The only thing Mangino has managed to get on top of is a box of Krispy Kremes.

[AzCat]

crapbrick - Snyder is one of those guys who believes that he can make up for any weakness in his staff or organization by simply working harder.   Unfortunately for him there are only 7 days in a week and only about 18 (realistically) working hours in a day.  Couple that with the fact that he never fired a single assistant and eventually you're going to reach the point where the KSU program has been the last couple of seasons: the assistants thought their jobs were safe, they also thought Snyder could, and would be able to, cover for them if they slacked.  Problem is there simply weren't enough hours in the day for Snyder to do his work and the work of the lazy shiftless half of his staff that were hanging around and punching the clock but not carrying their own weight.  Snyder never lost his edge, he was just too loyal for his own good and it finally caught up with him.

[BleedinPurple]

Actually, considering Snyder almost looked at recruiting like it was a necassary evil, I would have to say he was a top-notch recruiter.

He practically had the staff stop recruiting during the season.

It's pretty tough to compete when you don't even suit up for the game.

[Bookie Pimp]

So you all admit that Snyder lost his edge?

I'll admit that this ain't the warzone, and dumbass gay-u fans can, and will be banned....  Just like your homo buddy TomLight likes to do.   Capice?

And, I got an itchy banning-trigger finger...

 

[greasd up deaf guy]

Bumping LOL's.

[JR Ewing]

Based on some of the revelations of how Snyder recruited, and the vision of Prince, how do you see the changes in our recruiting practices affecting our ability to attract talent to our school?

Let me say that I was, at the very least, surprised about what I heard regarding recruiting under Snyder, and how it worked.   It appears that as staff changed, so did the emphasis on recruiting.   At the same time, there are some trends in how Snyder managed each aspect of the program the longer he stayed in.  In fact, I'm of the belief that many of the stories of the detail oriented may have actually gotten more intense.   This may have affected our ability to recruit well after the Big 12 Championship game in 2003.

I'd say the biggest difference is that by nearly any definition of the word, Bill Snyder would have to be classified as a winner.  Conversely, by nearly any definition, Ron Prince is a loser.

[michigancat]

dammit.  In some of these, I look really smart, and others, I look like mj.

Bump the "we are going to be baylor" thread, bookcat, jr.

[greasd up deaf guy]

It isn't all about you.

[fatty fat fat]

I'd hope we give the next coach at least 2 months.

 

[JR Ewing]

So you all admit that Snyder lost his edge?

I'll admit that he had lost his edge, ain't as good as he once was, let things slip, whatever you want to call it.

However, it certainly doesn't have to be like it is today.  Prince lackeys like to trot out the "Snyder let recruiting slide" theme to help explain away their tardishness for drinking the purple kool-aid.  Prince is a fraud.  He can't coach.  He's not working out.  He won't turn it around and it's time to move in a different direction.  The fact that the bloom had faded from Snyder at the end of his career does not change these facts, but it puts apologists at ease to shout "But, but, but Snyder sucked too!!! Mangino is FAT!!!! Ha! Ha!"

Just get someone in here who can win some ball games and isn't all hat, no cattle.

[greasd up deaf guy]

I'd hope we give the next coach at least 2 months.

 

When I was digging through some old posts I did see you were one of the first on the "Prince Can't Recruit" wagon. Excellent work.

[michigancat]

Ron's initial class was really pretty much awesome.  

Freeman (NFL)
James Johnson (NFL)
Robert Jacskon (NFL)
Josh Moore (NFL?)
Justin Roland (NFL?)

^Ridiculous talent for 1.5 months of recruiting.

[fatty fat fat]

 his recruiting has pretty gotten worse every single year.

[michigancat]

Yeah.  It's supposed to get better every year.

[ksu_FAN]

 his recruiting has pretty gotten worse every single year.

Very TA-ish.

[greasd up deaf guy]

Ron's initial class was really pretty much awesome.  

Freeman (NFL)
James Johnson (NFL)
Robert Jacskon (NFL)
Josh Moore (NFL?)
Justin Roland (NFL?)

^Ridiculous talent for 1.5 months of recruiting.

Yea, I was thinking I was going to have to eat my words when I saw these initial results....I was fairly against this hire from the beginning. But yes, that's sick for a short amount of time.