Best recruiting connections in the Big 12! EOM!

[ksuno1stunner]

 

[coitus]

qft

[AzCat]

And this is the best they could do?   

[WildCatzPhreak]

And this is the best they could do?   

Best class in the country isn't good enough for you?

[AzCat]

And this is the best they could do?   

Best class in the country isn't good enough for you?

The first five were secured before the current staff was in charge.  The latter members of the class are very Woolyesque.

[WildCatzPhreak]

And this is the best they could do?   

Best class in the country isn't good enough for you?

The first five were secured before the current staff was in charge.  The latter members of the class are very Woolyesque.

And this is the best they could do?   

Best class in the country isn't good enough for you?

The first five were secured before the current staff was in charge.  The latter members of the class are very Woolyesque.

Who recruited Beasley, Sutton, Pullen, and Brown?

Hint:  It wasn't Bob Huggins

Bob brought us Bennett (gee thanks  ) and Walker(Gee thanks!  )

The rest is all Frank and Dalonte.

[WildCatzPhreak]

Well that post certainly turned out weird..

[doom]

And this is the best they could do?   

Best class in the country isn't good enough for you?

The first five were secured before the current staff was in charge.  The latter members of the class are very Woolyesque.

Wooly could not get 2 3 stars to commit in the last month of recruitment.

[yosh]

And this is the best they could do?   

Best class in the country isn't good enough for you?

The first five were secured before the current staff was in charge.  The latter members of the class are very Woolyesque.

True, but that doesn't necessarily say much when there were only 3 or 4 top 100 players availible in the late period.

[sys]

Wooly could not get 2 3 stars to commit in the last month of recruitment.

not in his last 2 years.  before that they did pretty well from around pasco through peete.  and unfortunately they had to do a ton of spring recruiting.

[StayOutOfTrees]

Wooly could not get 2 3 stars to commit in the last month of recruitment.

Very true. Wooly would possibly get 2 3 stars at beginning of recruitment. He would probably scouring the Ivory Coast this late in recruiting process.

[ksu_FAN]

Wooly could not get 2 3 stars to commit in the last month of recruitment.

not in his last 2 years.  before that they did pretty well from around pasco through peete.  and unfortunately they had to do a ton of spring recruiting.

Since its being discussed, you look at Wooly's classes from 01 through 04 and there is no reason he shouldn't have won more games.  5-6 players that were ~Top 50 JUCOs (DeJesus, Pasco, Spurlock, Richards, Massey, Williams), 3 Top 100 HS players (Hayden, Martin, Willingham), and 3 borderline Top 100 or so HS players (Harris, Stewart, Allen).  Probably not enough to win the league title, but plenty to compete for the 3rd to 5th spot in the league during that time period.  Too much attrition and too little getting those guys to go above and beyond and win those close games.

[fatty fat fat]

his 2005 class was the inverse of GRCOAT.

 

[ksu_FAN]

his 2005 class was the inverse of GRCOAT.

 

Yeah, after Hoskins and Wright there hasn't been much there.  Its really pretty amazing he was able to get those 2 in that class IMO.

[yosh]

The only really poor class Wooly had was his last one, when he was in lame duck status.  Even that class had Hoskins. Azcat is dead on the money when he says these three guys are Wooly type guys.  Actually, everyone in this class besides Walker and Beasley are Wooly type guys.  That includes Sutton.  Take out Beasley and Walker and this class isn't even in Wooly's top 3 classes.  That isn't a necessarily a bad thing.  If Martin gets the same results out of them that JW did...that is a bad thing.  Nothing is funnier than the myth that Wooldridge was a bad recruiter.  LOL at the people who think Jamar Samuels is better than anyone K-state recruited in the previous 6 years before Huggins arival.    

I'm not trying to defend Wooly, nobody was happier than I to see him gone, but lets drop the revisionist history.  Without Huggins, we has still not signed a guy that is even above average for a Wooly recruit.

[catzacker]

Wooly could not get 2 3 stars to commit in the last month of recruitment.

not in his last 2 years.  before that they did pretty well from around pasco through peete.  and unfortunately they had to do a ton of spring recruiting.

Since its being discussed, you look at Wooly's classes from 01 through 04 and there is no reason he shouldn't have won more games.  5-6 players that were ~Top 50 JUCOs (DeJesus, Pasco, Spurlock, Richards, Massey, Williams), 3 Top 100 HS players (Hayden, Martin, Willingham), and 3 borderline Top 100 or so HS players (Harris, Stewart, Allen).  Probably not enough to win the league title, but plenty to compete for the 3rd to 5th spot in the league during that time period.  Too much attrition and too little getting those guys to go above and beyond and win those close games.

Triangle Offense

[ksu_FAN]

Wooly could not get 2 3 stars to commit in the last month of recruitment.

not in his last 2 years.  before that they did pretty well from around pasco through peete.  and unfortunately they had to do a ton of spring recruiting.

Since its being discussed, you look at Wooly's classes from 01 through 04 and there is no reason he shouldn't have won more games.  5-6 players that were ~Top 50 JUCOs (DeJesus, Pasco, Spurlock, Richards, Massey, Williams), 3 Top 100 HS players (Hayden, Martin, Willingham), and 3 borderline Top 100 or so HS players (Harris, Stewart, Allen).  Probably not enough to win the league title, but plenty to compete for the 3rd to 5th spot in the league during that time period.  Too much attrition and too little getting those guys to go above and beyond and win those close games.

Triangle Offense

That too.

[sonofdaxjones]

Like I said, in another thread.   This late in the game Wooldridge is scouring Ivory Coast Rec B Leagues, and god knows he would'nt have gotten a single high school kid with any real potential this late in the game either.

[yosh]

Wooly could not get 2 3 stars to commit in the last month of recruitment.

not in his last 2 years.  before that they did pretty well from around pasco through peete.  and unfortunately they had to do a ton of spring recruiting.

Since its being discussed, you look at Wooly's classes from 01 through 04 and there is no reason he shouldn't have won more games.  5-6 players that were ~Top 50 JUCOs (DeJesus, Pasco, Spurlock, Richards, Massey, Williams), 3 Top 100 HS players (Hayden, Martin, Willingham), and 3 borderline Top 100 or so HS players (Harris, Stewart, Allen).  Probably not enough to win the league title, but plenty to compete for the 3rd to 5th spot in the league during that time period.  Too much attrition and too little getting those guys to go above and beyond and win those close games.

Exactly.  Hart was also RSCI top 100 out of highschool.  Even in his two worst classes (the first and last) he got Reid, Terry, Atchinson, Seabass, Hoskins, Afeli, Taybron & Wright.  That's a pretty decent team, with 2 all conference guys, that you can put together from his 2 worst classes.

[Arthur Carlson]

Wooly's first couple of years he basically had two assistant coaches (Baker & Laing) on the road almost full-time to scout/recruit.  You better have a somewhat adequate class if you're doing that.

[catzacker]

Wooly could not get 2 3 stars to commit in the last month of recruitment.

not in his last 2 years.  before that they did pretty well from around pasco through peete.  and unfortunately they had to do a ton of spring recruiting.

Since its being discussed, you look at Wooly's classes from 01 through 04 and there is no reason he shouldn't have won more games.  5-6 players that were ~Top 50 JUCOs (DeJesus, Pasco, Spurlock, Richards, Massey, Williams), 3 Top 100 HS players (Hayden, Martin, Willingham), and 3 borderline Top 100 or so HS players (Harris, Stewart, Allen).  Probably not enough to win the league title, but plenty to compete for the 3rd to 5th spot in the league during that time period.  Too much attrition and too little getting those guys to go above and beyond and win those close games.

Triangle Offense

That too.

And the Big 12 (specifically the north) was stronger than it is now.  ISU, CU, MU (possibly even NU) were all better.  We were "improved" this year, but part of that was that we just didn't suck as much as the rest of the North. 

[AzCat]

Wooly could not get 2 3 stars to commit in the last month of recruitment.

Very true. Wooly would possibly get 2 3 stars at beginning of recruitment. He would probably scouring the Ivory Coast this late in recruiting process.

As opposed to scouring east-central Russia?   

[snart]

Two five star, one four star, and four three star recruits in one class?  That is one hell of a great recruiting class folks!  Huggins NEVER had that good of a recruiting class in his entire 16 years at Cincinnati!  Martin addressed every need this team needs, including quality depth.  I am already excited to see this team play.  Too bad we have to wait six months...

[AzCat]

Two five stars pending the outcome of one's ACT that is.   

[doom]

Two five stars pending the outcome of one's ACT that is.   

Why do you hate us?

[ksu_FAN]

Two five star, one four star, and four three star recruits in one class?  That is one hell of a great recruiting class folks!  Huggins NEVER had that good of a recruiting class in his entire 16 years at Cincinnati!  Martin addressed every need this team needs, including quality depth.  I am already excited to see this team play.  Too bad we have to wait six months...

The 5 stars (Top 10) are the key here, and really make the class.  Without those, this is not better than the Martin, Willingham, Harris, Massey (and others) class.  Wooly didn't get Top 50s.  He got plenty of very good JUCO players and quality HS kids, but not Top 50s, and definately not Top 10s. 

My hope is that Martin, Hill and the rest can continue to get a couple Top 50s every other year and occasionally break through with the Top 10 kids.  That is going to be what makes a difference in this program IMO and whether or not Hill can be a successful long-term hire.

[AzCat]

If Hill is successful at all he won't be a long-term hire, he'll be hitting the road for his own gig.  I give it two years.

[rjd27]

Besides Jason Bennett, who else is leaving the team? The recruiting class was five strong to start with, and now three more recruits have been added. There are only two spots open. Where's the room going to come from?
R.J.