Gilbert vs. Suttle

[McGrowlTowelZac]

I really don't know much about Gilbert, or Suttle.  But anyone who does or thinks they do wanna share why which one was better.
Cause going in I leaned towards Suttle, but again, my knowledge of the two is very limited.
 

[ksu_FAN]

I'd lean toward Suttle.  He was LA POY.  I would guess there might be some qualifying issues there, but who knows.

I think Gilbert is an athletic recruit who can play the 2/3 to replace Kent/Yearby.

[McGrowlTowelZac]

If Gilbert can play at all, having a 6-7 guard or small forward is great.  He'd be a great match up problem, lets hope he can develop into a solid contributer next year.

[ksu_FAN]

If Gilbert can play at all, having a 6-7 guard or small forward is great.  He'd be a great match up problem, lets hope he can develop into a solid contributer next year.

I'm guessing that their hopeful Gilbert can replace Akeem.  Long guard/wing, but it looks like he's maybe a little better shooter but a worse ballhandler.

[Trim]

If Gilbert can play at all, having a 6-7 guard or small forward is great.  He'd be a great match up problem, lets hope he can develop into a solid contributer next year.

I'm guessing that their hopeful Gilbert can replace Akeem.  Long guard/wing, but it looks like he's maybe a little better shooter but a worse ballhandler.

Ballhandler as in Gilbert will have a worse A:TO ratio or that Gilbert must be missing thumbs or something?   

[catdude33]

If Gilbert can play at all, having a 6-7 guard or small forward is great.  He'd be a great match up problem, lets hope he can develop into a solid contributer next year.

I'm guessing that their hopeful Gilbert can replace Akeem.  Long guard/wing, but it looks like he's maybe a little better shooter but a worse ballhandler.

How could anyone possibly be a worse ballhandler than Akeem Wright.  I held my breath every time he put the ball on the floor.

[ksu_FAN]

If Gilbert can play at all, having a 6-7 guard or small forward is great.  He'd be a great match up problem, lets hope he can develop into a solid contributer next year.

I'm guessing that their hopeful Gilbert can replace Akeem.  Long guard/wing, but it looks like he's maybe a little better shooter but a worse ballhandler.

How could anyone possibly be a worse ballhandler than Akeem Wright.  I held my breath every time he put the ball on the floor.

I'll just say Akeem had a solid A:TO ratio (both seasons) and I don't anticipate Gilbert being able to equal that.  My definition of "good ballhandler" is tied to a players' A:TO ratio which is really the main stat that measures that IMO.

[chum1]

My definition of "good ballhandler" is tied to a players' A:TO ratio which is really the main stat that measures that IMO.

No one else uses the term this way.  It's not vague either.  All analysts on TV use it in pretty much the same way. 

[ksu_FAN]

My definition of "good ballhandler" is tied to a players' A:TO ratio which is really the main stat that measures that IMO.

No one else uses the term this way.  It's not vague either.  All analysts on TV use it in pretty much the same way. 

I suppose.  To me a guy who can handle the ball is one that is not going to turn it over and more often than not does good things with the ball in his hands.  To me Akeem Wright did that pretty well this year and actually handled the ball quite a bit from the 2G spot.  I could care less if he "looks pretty" or "smooth" or whatever doing it or not; he didn't turn the ball over a ton and he had quite a few assists to post the best A:TO ratio on the team.  I have no idea what more you could ask for your 2G (I was never saying he should be a PG or was even close, FWIW.) especially when he plays the most minutes on your team which means he handled the ball quite a bit from the 2G spot.

[chum1]

In his final NBA season, 7'3" Arvydas Sabonis had a 2:1 ratio.  It would be pretty weird to call him a good ball handler.  People would look at you funny.

[sys]

fan, no seas amable con chumcillo.  es un perdedor prenato.

[ksu_FAN]

In his final NBA season, 7'3" Arvydas Sabonis had a 2:1 ratio.  It would be pretty weird to call him a good ball handler.  People would look at you funny.

That's because he had statistically insignificant numbers since he was an NBA center.  

Wright was 3rd on the team with 84 assists (behind 101 and 87) and averaged 2.4 assists per game.  I don't think those are statistically insignificant numbers.

[chum1]

In his final NBA season, 7'3" Arvydas Sabonis had a 2:1 ratio.  It would be pretty weird to call him a good ball handler.  People would look at you funny.

That's because he had statistically insignificant numbers since he was an NBA center.

He had over two per game.  There are plenty of guards described as good ball handlers with no more than that (some don't even get off the bench).  You are saying that these guards cannot be considered good ball handlers.

[ksu_FAN]

In his final NBA season, 7'3" Arvydas Sabonis had a 2:1 ratio.  It would be pretty weird to call him a good ball handler.  People would look at you funny.

That's because he had statistically insignificant numbers since he was an NBA center.

He had over two per game.  There are plenty of guards described as good ball handlers with no more than that (some don't even get off the bench).  You are saying that these guards cannot be considered good ball handlers.

I'm not going to paint it with that broad of brush.  For this past year's K-State team, Wright was a good ballhandler IMO.  He had a solid A:TO ratio and had a decent number of assists.  He wasn't pretty, but I wasn't apprehensive when he had to handle the ball.  That is all I'm trying to say.  Its obvious we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

[michigancat]

Sabonis was an excellent ball handler.

I mean, like, probably the best passing big man in the last 10 or 15 years.

[Poopley]

Elder Sabonis could really race up and down the court, too.

[chum1]

LOL @ those only familiar with recent KSU (very bad) basketball.  All guards have the same function.  All big men have the same function.  38% is good when almost everyone else on your team shoots worse.  LOL @ all of that - together and individually.

[coitus]

I'm not going to paint it with that broad of brush.  For this past year's K-State team, Wright was a good ballhandler IMO.  He had a solid A:TO ratio and had a decent number of assists.  He wasn't pretty, but I wasn't apprehensive when he had to handle the ball.  That is all I'm trying to say.  Its obvious we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

keem was no gazelle with the ball in his hands, and i always chuckled when i saw him 'leading the break' but the end result was more often than not a good thing.

unorthodox and ugly?  you bet.  effective with the ball in his hands?  definately.

[michigancat]

LOL @ those only familiar with recent KSU (very bad) basketball.  All guards have the same function.  All big men have the same function.  38% is good when almost everyone else on your team shoots worse.  LOL @ all of that - together and individually.

LOL

[sys]

LOL @ those only familiar with recent KSU (very bad) basketball.  All guards have the same function.  All big men have the same function.  38% is good when almost everyone else on your team shoots worse.  LOL @ all of that - together and individually.

next rusty blog topic - the mid range jumper is a lost art, and thank god for that.


though i think pomeroy has already touched on the idea.

[michigancat]

LOL @ those only familiar with recent KSU (very bad) basketball.  All guards have the same function.  All big men have the same function.  38% is good when almost everyone else on your team shoots worse.  LOL @ all of that - together and individually.

next rusty blog topic - the mid range jumper is a lost art, and thank god for that.


though i think pomeroy has already touched on the idea.

Yeah, I've been thinking - why even bother guarding any players shooting from 17-19 feet? (Especially KSU'ers.)  Just sag off and deny penetration and entry passes.  But bust your ass if they're beyond the arc.

[catzacker]

I wonder if the 3 point line being moved back, even just a foot, will make inside scoring a bit easier and zones a bit less effective.  I know 1 foot isn't that much, but player positioning won't stay put, it'll just extend, causing the defense to as well, therefore leading to a bit more room inside. 

[michigancat]

I wonder if the 3 point line being moved back, even just a foot, will make inside scoring a bit easier and zones a bit less effective.  I know 1 foot isn't that much, but player positioning won't stay put, it'll just extend, causing the defense to as well, therefore leading to a bit more room inside. 

1 foot will make a huge difference.

Seriously.

[Pete]

I wonder if the 3 point line being moved back, even just a foot, will make inside scoring a bit easier and zones a bit less effective.  I know 1 foot isn't that much, but player positioning won't stay put, it'll just extend, causing the defense to as well, therefore leading to a bit more room inside. 

That makes sense.  However, I tend to think that it will make zones even MORE effective in some situations.  If a team can't shoot well from 3, moving it back a foot obviously makes them even worse.  If I am coaching D against a team like that, I pack the zone in tight to the lane and let them miss 3-pointers all day long.  I won't give up a damn thing inside in that case.