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April 24, 2007, 04:23:25 PM
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ksuno1stunner

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 :lol:

He was the guy who bvassol said (before he committed) is absolutely terrible in coverage, and that there was a reason Coffeyville put Chandler at S and Ashante at LB.

April 24, 2007, 04:35:17 PM
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cireksu

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maybe nubb is going 3-3-5.

April 24, 2007, 04:50:23 PM
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Maxell

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Wait until he knocks a few of your players' teeth out on November 10th.  :lol:


April 24, 2007, 04:51:10 PM
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ksuno1stunner

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Wait until he knocks a few of your players' teeth out on November 10th.  :lol:



Like LaMark?

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April 24, 2007, 04:55:48 PM
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Maxell

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Why not? I could only hope you guys start a freshman that has never played the position before.

April 24, 2007, 04:56:59 PM
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ksuno1stunner

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Why not? I could only hope you guys start a freshman that has never played the position before.

LaMark excels at any position.  He's also 6'4'' 225 pounds of solid muscle.

April 24, 2007, 04:59:38 PM
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Oh no. The rest of the country should quake in fear. Hopefully he won't be discouraged by the fact that his QB can't get him the ball because he's buried under a pile of defenders.

April 24, 2007, 05:01:13 PM
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ksuno1stunner

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Oh no. The rest of the country should quake in fear. Hopefully he won't be discouraged by the fact that his QB can't get him the ball because he's buried under a pile of defenders.

I know.  :'(

At least we have a Greek God at WR though.

April 24, 2007, 05:08:24 PM
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Its pretty unrealistic to expect a true freshman that has never played the position to come in and have a big impact. There's route running, learning the offense, adjusting to the speed of the game, reading coverages etc. I don't even expect Niles Paul to have too much of an impact this year even if he manages to bypass a redshirt. By all accounts he was the 2nd best receiver at the Army AA game and has worked out with the Green Bay Packers before. Still, its going to be a big jump for the kid and most certainly will be even bigger for a kid like LaMark who has little experience playing the position.

April 24, 2007, 05:10:06 PM
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ksuno1stunner

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Its pretty unrealistic to expect a true freshman that has never played the position to come in and have a big impact. There's route running, learning the offense, adjusting to the speed of the game, reading coverages etc. I don't even expect Niles Paul to have too much of an impact this year even if he manages to bypass a redshirt. By all accounts he was the 2nd best receiver at the Army AA game and has worked out with the Green Bay Packers before. Still, its going to be a big jump for the kid and most certainly will be even bigger for a kid like LaMark who has little experience playing the position.

Paul is nothing to Brown.

April 24, 2007, 05:25:17 PM
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April 24, 2007, 05:33:27 PM
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Lamark is definitely a great looking prospect.  The one thing I wouldn't do with him though is burn his redshirt or have him play offense.  His talent would be wasted this year behind a crapty o-line and a crapty qb.  Since he is already 6'4 and 225 he would be best suited to rs, put on 20 pounds and then come out next year as the olb in the ksu 3-4.  at 6'4 245 he would be just about the protypical 3-4 olb and if he can play as good as ksu fans think he would be the differance maker on that defense and be somebody oc's would gameplan around.  on offense, he would be just another wr.   

April 24, 2007, 05:40:11 PM
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ksuno1stunner

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Lamark is definitely a great looking prospect.  The one thing I wouldn't do with him though is burn his redshirt or have him play offense.  His talent would be wasted this year behind a @#%$ty o-line and a @#%$ty qb.  Since he is already 6'4 and 225 he would be best suited to rs, put on 20 pounds and then come out next year as the olb in the ksu 3-4.  at 6'4 245 he would be just about the protypical 3-4 olb and if he can play as good as ksu fans think he would be the differance maker on that defense and be somebody oc's would gameplan around.  on offense, he would be just another wr.   

We are 10 times better on defense.  It makes sense to put him on offense, even though the line sucks. 

April 24, 2007, 05:53:50 PM
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    The very best.
so glad we passed on ashante.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

April 24, 2007, 05:58:56 PM
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Lamark Brown is an awesome athlete--in the secondary or as a receiver--and I was really disappointed we didn't get him.

Niles Paul is also a really great prospect, and I am expecting big thing out of him in a year or two.

Larry Asante was a great pick-up for us. I think the coaches liked him and Chandler about equally, but they didn't think they would be able to get Chandler qualified so they never offered him, even though he visited.

As good as I think Asante is going to be eventually, he probably won't even start this year as Bryan Wilson and Ricky Thenarse have really stepped up.


April 24, 2007, 07:00:22 PM
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"We are 10 times better on defense.  It makes sense to put him on offense, even though the line sucks. "

better on defense?  please.  that stupid scrimmage draft thing gave the defense a huge advantage.  don't think your gonna see anything that dominating at any pointy during the season

April 24, 2007, 07:06:31 PM
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ksuno1stunner

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"We are 10 times better on defense.  It makes sense to put him on offense, even though the line sucks. "

better on defense?  please.  that stupid scrimmage draft thing gave the defense a huge advantage.  don't think your gonna see anything that dominating at any pointy during the season

God you are stupid.  The main thing is our o-line pretty much makes our offense suck, and we have quite a few athletes on defense.

April 24, 2007, 07:21:03 PM
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catinthehat

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your d-line isn't any better than your o-line.  just that in your scrimmage it was very unbalanced.

I hope you put him at wr, I won't worry about him then.  I have seen him play, he is a hitter and that is how he plays.  putting him on offense will have the same effect  on him as what happens to a grizzly after 20 years in a zoo.

so please, get him at wr. and play him as a true frosh so you can say you killed a year of his elgability, like you did freemans just to get somebody on the field who doesn't have a clue as to what they are doing 

April 24, 2007, 07:28:36 PM
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did slashahan go bowling in his first year?

lmk.

April 24, 2007, 07:32:08 PM
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S. Parker

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did slashahan go bowling in his first year?

lmk.

No, he went 5-6.  :users:

April 24, 2007, 07:38:36 PM
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ksuno1stunner

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your d-line isn't any better than your o-line.  just that in your scrimmage it was very unbalanced.

I hope you put him at wr, I won't worry about him then.  I have seen him play, he is a hitter and that is how he plays.  putting him on offense will have the same effect  on him as what happens to a grizzly after 20 years in a zoo.

so please, get him at wr. and play him as a true frosh so you can say you killed a year of his elgability, like you did freemans just to get somebody on the field who doesn't have a clue as to what they are doing 

D-line isn't better than o-line?  Rob Jackson and Alphonso Moran are way better than any offensive lineman we have.  It remains to be seen how good Abana is, but he has very good measurables for a DT/DE in a 3-4.

Do you think Terrell Owens would make a good linebacker?  What about Calvin Johnson?  Brown definitely has the makeup and toughness to be that type of receiver, and obviously, those guys can have a huge impact on the game.  We have pretty good linebackers right now, especially with Childs and Campbell making the move, and our recruits aren't bad either.  Two of our top three receivers are walk-ons.  We need guys that can potentially break it all the way, since it appears we won't be moving the ball very consistently.  Look at the ku game.  We were out Figurs, Moreira, and had a 60% Nelson.  While Freeman ran for his life that day, it didn't help that the ku secondary feasted on our receivers.  While I would rather see him on defense if we didn't have shortage at receiver, we NEED him on offense.

April 24, 2007, 08:17:57 PM
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Lamark Brown is an awesome athlete--in the secondary or as a receiver--and I was really disappointed we didn't get him.

Niles Paul is also a really great prospect, and I am expecting big thing out of him in a year or two.

Larry Asante was a great pick-up for us. I think the coaches liked him and Chandler about equally, but they didn't think they would be able to get Chandler qualified so they never offered him, even though he visited.

As good as I think Asante is going to be eventually, he probably won't even start this year as Bryan Wilson and Ricky Thenarse have really stepped up.



Notice how UNL never gets beat for a recruit, they simply "didn't offer him."   :chirp:

April 24, 2007, 08:27:50 PM
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S. Parker

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Lamark Brown is an awesome athlete--in the secondary or as a receiver--and I was really disappointed we didn't get him.

Niles Paul is also a really great prospect, and I am expecting big thing out of him in a year or two.

Larry Asante was a great pick-up for us. I think the coaches liked him and Chandler about equally, but they didn't think they would be able to get Chandler qualified so they never offered him, even though he visited.

As good as I think Asante is going to be eventually, he probably won't even start this year as Bryan Wilson and Ricky Thenarse have really stepped up.



Notice how UNL never gets beat for a recruit, they simply "didn't offer him."   :chirp:

I wasn't trying to taunt you. We didn't offer him. He was interested in us and KSU, and our coaches thought they wouldn't be able to qualify him, and they liked Asante as much, so they went after Asante. I can go pull up the old articles if you like.

I was kind of hoping we would get Chandler somehow as he is very talented, but for whatever reason our coaches went after Asante.

April 24, 2007, 08:28:35 PM
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your d-line is gonna suck to.  you don't have a nose tackle for the 3-4 which is the most crucial part of the 3-4.  abana has good measurables for the base end in this scheme but isn't even on the team yet and it's been my experience that late arriving jucos don't always make a big impact their first year.  now if he was here for spring ball and summer conditioning that would be one thing

as for the other wr's you mentioned.  those guys are built like wr's and not linebackers.  There is a differance in body types.  Even though they may be similair height and weight, it doesn't always mean they translate to the same position.  n ow, maybew you could change his body type into a wr's body type but I don't think prince has that long.  the man belongs on defense, period.


as for chandler.  just be glad that nu doesn't allow anything under a grade of "c" or any physical education classes to transfer.

April 24, 2007, 08:28:56 PM
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ksuno1stunner

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Lamark Brown is an awesome athlete--in the secondary or as a receiver--and I was really disappointed we didn't get him.

Niles Paul is also a really great prospect, and I am expecting big thing out of him in a year or two.

Larry Asante was a great pick-up for us. I think the coaches liked him and Chandler about equally, but they didn't think they would be able to get Chandler qualified so they never offered him, even though he visited.

As good as I think Asante is going to be eventually, he probably won't even start this year as Bryan Wilson and Ricky Thenarse have really stepped up.



Notice how UNL never gets beat for a recruit, they simply "didn't offer him."   :chirp:

I don't think they did because of academics.  But Chandler is the better safety.

April 24, 2007, 08:32:18 PM
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ksuno1stunner

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your d-line is gonna suck to.  you don't have a nose tackle for the 3-4 which is the most crucial part of the 3-4.  abana has good measurables for the base end in this scheme but isn't even on the team yet and it's been my experience that late arriving jucos don't always make a big impact their first year.  now if he was here for spring ball and summer conditioning that would be one thing

as for the other wr's you mentioned.  those guys are built like wr's and not linebackers.  There is a differance in body types.  Even though they may be similair height and weight, it doesn't always mean they translate to the same position.  n ow, maybew you could change his body type into a wr's body type but I don't think prince has that long.  the man belongs on defense, period.


as for chandler.  just be glad that nu doesn't allow anything under a grade of "c" or any physical education classes to transfer.

Moran is a decent DT, but we'll see how well he does in the 3-4.  A line of 275, 300, and 290 is pretty big.  Our 3-4 will resemble a 4-3 anyways (according to those with higher FBIQ than me) with Campbell acting as a stand-up DE. 

April 24, 2007, 08:34:32 PM
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Lamark Brown is an awesome athlete--in the secondary or as a receiver--and I was really disappointed we didn't get him.

Niles Paul is also a really great prospect, and I am expecting big thing out of him in a year or two.

Larry Asante was a great pick-up for us. I think the coaches liked him and Chandler about equally, but they didn't think they would be able to get Chandler qualified so they never offered him, even though he visited.

As good as I think Asante is going to be eventually, he probably won't even start this year as Bryan Wilson and Ricky Thenarse have really stepped up.



Notice how UNL never gets beat for a recruit, they simply "didn't offer him."   :chirp:

I don't think they did because of academics.  But Chandler is the better safety.

I have heard that Chandler is better in coverage. That was also demonstrated somewhat by Asante's play this spring--he is weaker on coverage. The great thing about Asante though is that he is a hitter, and from what I have heard he might be playing linebacker for us eventually.

April 24, 2007, 08:38:02 PM
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your d-line is gonna suck to.  you don't have a nose tackle for the 3-4 which is the most crucial part of the 3-4.  abana has good measurables for the base end in this scheme but isn't even on the team yet and it's been my experience that late arriving jucos don't always make a big impact their first year.  now if he was here for spring ball and summer conditioning that would be one thing

as for the other wr's you mentioned.  those guys are built like wr's and not linebackers.  There is a differance in body types.  Even though they may be similair height and weight, it doesn't always mean they translate to the same position.  n ow, maybew you could change his body type into a wr's body type but I don't think prince has that long.  the man belongs on defense, period.


as for chandler.  just be glad that nu doesn't allow anything under a grade of "c" or any physical education classes to transfer.

Moran is a decent DT, but we'll see how well he does in the 3-4.  A line of 275, 300, and 290 is pretty big.  Our 3-4 will resemble a 4-3 anyways (according to those with higher FBIQ than me) with Campbell acting as a stand-up DE. 

I tend to think KSU's defense will be pretty good this season. They definitely have some great players. The only thing that remains to be seen is how smooth the transition to the 3-4 goes.

Their secondary especially should be really good.

April 24, 2007, 08:43:38 PM
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ksuno1stunner

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on offense, he would be just another wr.   

That got me thinking.  How many receivers are built like LaMark?  Linebackers?  Not many in either case, but a lot less receivers.

April 24, 2007, 08:50:02 PM
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"Moran is a decent DT, but we'll see how well he does in the 3-4.  A line of 275, 300, and 290 is pretty big.  Our 3-4 will resemble a 4-3 anyways (according to those with higher FBIQ than me) with Campbell acting as a stand-up DE.  "

which one of those is your nose tackle?  in order for the 3-4 to work, that nose has to crush the center so bad that atleast 1 guard has to help out, on every single play, would be even better if both guards had to help but atleast 1.  Now, i don't know the strengths of every center on your schedule but I would think most centers are around 300 pounds, atleast in the big 12.  I know nebraskas center is 305.  Roughly the size of your nose tackle.  Unless your nose tackle is built of pure muscle and power, which I don't think is possible I don't see NU having to double team your nose at all.  Not to mention you need depth, you need another nose tackle to come in and give him a rest without their being to much of a drop off.

Ian is good, and he should put up good numbers but is one player enough?  inorder for KSU to win games this year the defense will need to keep them in every game because the offense is going  to struggle.  That is why i said Brown should be on defense.  I look at it like this.  We all know that it's easier for a true frosh to make an impact on defense than offense, atleast I hope we all know that.  Since the burden will fall on the lynch mobs shoulders to win games I think it would be in princes best interest to gut load that side of the ball with talent that already isn't on offense.  Seriously, what kind of impact do you expect to see from a true frosh at wr at this level?  especially one that really hasn't been featured at that position?

if you put him in as a true frosh at wr your actually hurting the defense, offense and the player all at once.  for one your taking away what could be a key member to take this defense to a higher level, and you need that guy.  ian is good but it's gonna take more than him.  Offense will have no problems gameplanning around 1-2 playmakers, but as you add playmakers the ways to gameplan around them decrease exponentially.  Sure, you could put him on offense, watch him struggle to learn the plays.  He will see the field, maybe catch 1-2 balls per game.  My question is, can't those 1-2 receptions go to one of your other wr's?  what a waste of talent to put him at wr when he could reach his potential. and raise the level of play for the entire defense by playing defense.  He will have a very very small impact on offense, if any as a true frosdh, but he could shine bright as gold on defense.