Bishop/Beasley/Roberson/Meier/Evridge/Webb/Freeman

[fatty fat fat]

Records as starter/majority of big 12 games, defensive ppg given up

Bishop: 15-2    16.3
Beasley: 13-4 20.5
Roberson: 16-8  14.1
Meier: 0-4 31 Big 12 opponents record: 21-11
Webb: 3-4 33 23-25
Evridge: 1-5 32 25-23
Freeman: 4-3 29 25-31

[WildCatzPhreak]

Just looking at those #s, Webb and Freeman look a little bit better.  They didn't have nearly as good defenses to help them out.  Of course, that could be because they can't sustain a drive or turn the ball over more, allowing opposing defenses more/an easier time for scoring.

Roberson looks inferior to Beasley when just looking at those numbers, too.

[fatty fat fat]

Roberson couldn't win close games. cire is an idiot.

[cireksu]

Roberson lost 5 games by 16 points combined, in 3 years.

[fatty fat fat]

Roberson couldn't win close games.

[cireksu]

Yeah, the lynch mob got gutted in several of those.  But that's the QB's inability to win games.

[FBWillie]

Yeah, the lynch mob got gutted in several of those.  But that's the QB's inability to win games.

Records as starter/majority of big 12 games, defensive ppg given up

Bishop: 15-2    16.3
Roberson: 16-8  14.1

 

[FBWillie]

Roberson's Close Games
02
CU 31-35 L
UT 14-17 L
USC 20-27 W... Everyone knows mark dunn won that one. 
ASU 34-27 W... ASU was 8-6 that year.
03
UT 20-24 L Deffinately Roberson's fault on that one... stupid fumble late in the game.
OSU 34-38 L
Buckeyes 28-35 L

Bishops Close games
97
Ohio 23-20 W
98
MU 31-25 W
TAMU 31-26 L 
Purdue 34-37  L



Roberson just had more close games.

[catzacker]

I need to see that side by side with a TD/TO ratio. 

[fatty fat fat]

I need to see that side by side with a TD/TO ratio. 

why? I'm not look for the QB with the best stats, I'm looking for the QB with the best W/L record, and how his defense helped him.

[fatty fat fat]

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Roberson's Close Games
CU 31-35 L (twice inside the 10 yard line, &@#%ed up both)
UT 14-17 L (roberson's fault)
USC 20-27 W... Great win.
ASU 34-27 W... Great win.
03
UT 20-24 L E3's faults
OSU 34-38 L E3 didn't play well, defense didn't either.
Buckeyes 28-35 E3 didn't play well, defense didn't either.

Bishops Close games
97
Ohio 23-20 W
98
MU 31-25 W
TAMU 31-26 L 
Purdue 34-37  L

Umm...NU 40-30?


Roberson just had more close games.

[cireksu]

Roberson's Close Games
02
CU 31-35 L               Defense
UT 14-17 L               Brite
USC 20-27 W... Everyone knows mark dunn won that one. 
ASU 34-27 W... ASU was 8-6 that year.          Defense couldn't stop them for crap
03
UT 20-24 L Deffinately Roberson's fault on that one... stupid fumble late in the game.              Defense couldn't stop VY, Brite/Mo Mack on the blocked punt for TD.
OSU 34-38 L               Tatum Bell/Vernand Morrancy, ran for 200 yds(beginning of end of Mob)
Buckeyes 28-35 L

Bishops Close games
97
Ohio 23-20 W
98
MU 31-25 W
TAMU 31-26 L 
Purdue 34-37  L



Roberson just had more close games.

[fatty fat fat]

Ell had the easiest schedules, best defenses. He really blew it.

[ksu_FAN]

Additional Bishop Close game:

K-State 13 - Tech 2

It might have been a 11 point spread, but this one was down to the wire and saved by a young QB named Jonathan.

[FBWillie]

Additional Bishop Close game:

K-State 13 - Tech 2

It might have been a 11 point spread, but this one was down to the wire and saved by a young QB named Jonathan.

sorry; I honestly don't remember that game...  16 at the time... and figured that since it wasn't within 1 posession that it wasn't close... mistake on my part.

[cireksu]

Ell had the easiest schedules, best defenses. He really blew it.

Yeah, if he would have only held onto the ball in the CCG.  wait.

[fatty fat fat]

again, i was only counting big 12 games.

records in games under 10 points

Bishop: 2-1
Beasley: 4-2
Roberson: 0-7 
Meier: 0-1
Webb: 1-2
Evridge: 1-2
Freeman: 2-0

[Saulbadguy]

Roberson was never all there. 

[michigancat]

Ell had the easiest schedules, best defenses. He really blew it.

Yeah, if he would have only held onto the ball in the CCG.  wait.

Just as devastating, perhaps:

KANSAS STATE 20, TEXAS 17
                                 
...

  K 1-10 T21   KANSAS STATE drive start at 10:41 (4th).
  K 1-10 T21   Sproles, Darren rush over left end for 5 yards to the UT16 (Harris, Aaron).
  K 2-5  T16   Roberson, Ell rush QBL to the UT12, fumble forced by Geiggar, P., fumble by
               Roberson, Ell recovered by UT Geiggar, P. at UT12.

[cireksu]

If Roberson would have held them on the 3rd and long passes they completed they might have won.

again, i was only counting big 12 games.

records in games under 10 points

Bishop: 2-1
Beasley: 4-2
Roberson: 0-7 
Meier: 0-1
Webb: 1-2
Evridge: 1-2
Freeman: 2-0                    

[fatty fat fat]

Defense was AWESOME in the 2003 texas game.

[Saulbadguy]

What is the argument, here? That Ell was a better QB than Bishop?   

[michigancat]

Anyone talking crap on Bishop for a fumble deserves to be c*ntpunted to the &@#%ing moon.

[Saulbadguy]

Anyone talking @#%$ on Bishop for a fumble deserves to be c*ntpunted to the &*$@!ing moon.

[pissclams]

Anyone talking @#%$ on Bishop for a fumble deserves to be c*ntpunted to the &*$@!ing moon.

[catzacker]

I need to see that side by side with a TD/TO ratio. 

why? I'm not look for the QB with the best stats, I'm looking for the QB with the best W/L record, and how his defense helped him.

So the defense is relevant but how much the QB helps/hurts his own cause isn't?  

[ChicagoCat]

Yea more points were given up with Freeman here but how many were a direct result of his turnovers, i.e. the ku game.  I don't think you can blame those on the D.  When ku had drives in that game w/o a TO to help them the defense eventually turned them over.

[mjrod]

Anyone talking @#%$ on Bishop for a fumble deserves to be c*ntpunted to the &*$@!ing moon.

Huh?

Bishop fumbled a lot during the season.  He was able to come back and win it.  Bishop not fumble in critical play in fourth quarter against Aggies, and KSU goes to the NC game and wins it.

At some point, it catches up to you.  Bishop v. Roberson is a stupid argument because Bishop was more physical and had a better supporting cast.   KSU scored 627 points that season, almost an NCAA record for that year.

[chum1]

The moral of this story is that Roberson was only successful because he was on a damn good team.

[cireksu]

Anyone talking @#%$ on Bishop for a fumble deserves to be c*ntpunted to the &*$@!ing moon.

Huh?

Bishop fumbled a lot during the season.  He was able to come back and win it.  Bishop not fumble in critical play in fourth quarter against Aggies, and KSU goes to the NC game and wins it.

At some point, it catches up to you.  Bishop v. Roberson is a stupid argument because Bishop was more physical and had a better supporting cast.   KSU scored 627 points that season, almost an NCAA record for that year.

Strange emotional attachment to a player.  Honestly I think they are player, and think that Bishop gets all the love because his team put KSU on the map while Roberson put them on the map for the hotel incedent.  On the field, I really think they were the same player in their bet years, I just feel that Roberson doesn't get any credit for what he accomplished because folks are obsessed with Michael Bishop.