Freeman...

[BMWJhawk]

What's the over/under on his turnovers against ku next season?  Last year it was only 6.  I'm thinking this year it might approach a solid dozen or so.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

I'm worried that Auburn is going to injure him and Ksu will be forced to play the mad tv kid.

[fatty fat fat]

What's the over/under on his turnovers against ku next season?  Last year it was only 6.  I'm thinking this year it might approach a solid dozen or so.

w/ku's d-ends? LMAO's.

[sonofdaxjones]

Validation factor is high, repeat, validation factor is high.

[kstate16]

why  are there so many ku fans on this site, can they maybe get a life or something, or maybe get kicked out? it's quite ridiculous. maybe we can lure them away by telling them a new gay bar opened up in lawrence.

[SkyWalkJUSTforFUN]

Well, ku will need KSU to turnover the ball atleast 12 times to win.


No Yamon. No other threats.

ku = Lucky

[kstate16]

yeah i tried calling ku lucky with their win last year, and it was one of the ku posters i cant remember that replied with like 4 posts describing how they weren't lucky. prepare for a long rebuttal by one of the many ku d bags on this site.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

yeah i tried calling ku lucky with their win last year, and it was one of the ku posters i cant remember that replied with like 4 posts describing how they weren't lucky. prepare for a long rebuttal by one of the many ku d bags on this site.

A lucky 19 point win?

[SkyWalkJUSTforFUN]

Yep. Without Yamon and with a hurt Jordy last year, without other any threats we were equivalent to a D-2 football team.

[Racquetball_Ninja]

Wow... the cubs are make this board look like ass today. 

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Yep. Without Yamon and with a hurt Jordy last year, without other any threats we were equivalent to a D-2 football team.

That doesn't make up 19 points.

I still laugh about Hatter insisting that having Yamon there would have essentially created a domino effect tightening up Kstates entire game and winning it for them. I assume you feel the same way.

Its just absurd.

[The Manhatter]

I still laugh about Hatter insisting that having Yamon there would have essentially created a domino effect tightening up Kstates entire game and winning it for them. I assume you feel the same way.

Its just absurd.

I still laugh to that the worst pass defense in D-1 didn't have to worry about the lack of receivers so they could walk everybody up near the line and press.  You know..can't stop anybody all season long and SUDDENLY.

Of course you don't think a few personnel changes and/or turnovers might have an impact on a game...

same season, same teams but BIG difference....

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/doc_lib/102001.HTM
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/doc_lib/120101.HTM

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

I still laugh about Hatter insisting that having Yamon there would have essentially created a domino effect tightening up Kstates entire game and winning it for them. I assume you feel the same way.

Its just absurd.

I still laugh to that the worst pass defense in D-1 didn't have to worry about the lack of receivers so they could walk everybody up near the line and press.  You know..can't stop anybody all season long and SUDDENLY.

Of course you don't think a few personnel changes and/or turnovers might have an impact on a game...

same season, same teams but BIG difference....

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/doc_lib/102001.HTM
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/doc_lib/120101.HTM

I'm not saying he wouldn't have made an impact.

I'm saying he wouldn't have made a 19+ point impact.

And turnovers happen. Its just wishful thinking to imagine 'what if?' scenarios about how the game would turn out if they hadn't.

You formerly insisted that having Yamon there would mean a Ksu victory. I just think your speculation on what would have happened was and is ridiculous.

[The Manhatter]

I linked for you an example of a 36 pt swing between two teams in the same season.  And you suggest a 19 pt differential is impossible?  LOL.

The turnovers led to the spread.  How the worst pass defense in the NCAA played schematically due to some personnel issues we had...that changes things.

But a 19 point swing is impossible...if you're  fan of the team* on the winning side.


* = did not go to a bowl

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

I linked for you an example of a 36 pt swing between two teams in the same season.  And you suggest a 19 pt differential is impossible?  LOL.

The turnovers led to the spread.  How the worst pass defense in the NCAA played schematically due to some personnel issues we had...that changes things.

But a 19 point swing is impossible...if you're  fan of the team* on the winning side.


* = did not go to a bowl

With Ksu's team last year? Yeah, a 19 point differential was next to impossible. Again, its leaps of logic and comparisons that shouldn't be made that you are touting as 'evidence' that Ksu could have. Way too many differences in these teams and circumstances to make a parallel.

Turnovers happen. What if they didn't happen? Who the hell knows? How many scenarios can you make up for 'your' team in which its so wildly optimistic that it overcomes a 19 point difference and domination by your rival team in their house? If we hadn't turned it over that one time we likely wouldn't have done this, and so we wouldn't have needed to do that, and...

If only we hadn't committed turnovers.... if only we had that one player in there... if only our quarterback didn't play so badly... if only our team didn't get dominated all night long...

Your argument is the Butterfly Effect.

[The Manhatter]

you're correct.  No point in arguing that turnovers or personnel issues had anything to do w/ the outcome.  I mean a bowl-less team was definitely 19 points better than a bowl team.

LOL at the "leaps of logics and comparisons".  Not really.  It's simple stuff.  ku walked a true freshman corner to the line who couldn't cover anybody all season long.  Figurs just abused the Thorp winner the week prior.  It's not a stretch to say ku plays Yamon a weeee bit differently than Gonzales.

Congrats on your "domination" in which you gave up the first 100 yard rushing performance in over a year and were outgained.

You beat us...oh well.  We went bowling and you didn't.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

you're correct.  No point in arguing that turnovers or personnel issues had anything to do w/ the outcome.

It might have been a smaller margin of victory. Thats it though. So you're correct that I'm correct.

And you need to move past the LOL @ phase. 

[sonofdaxjones]

KSU . . . officially ku Football's Super Bowl.  Mark Mangino scheduling yet another bye week prior to playing KSU.

ku Football . . . celebrating the 12th Anniversary of their last winning conference season in 2007.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

New Material please!!!

[sonofdaxjones]

New Material please!!!

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[GoldbrickGangBoss]

New Material please!!!

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[SkyWalkJUSTforFUN]

New Material please!!!

Posts: 1547

All quality. 

HAHAHHAH.....what a tool.....

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Ugh, Cubs.

[ksuno1stunner]

Yep. Without Yamon and with a hurt Jordy last year, without other any threats we were equivalent to a D-2 football team.

That doesn't make up 19 points.

I still laugh about Hatter insisting that having Yamon there would have essentially created a domino effect tightening up Kstates entire game and winning it for them. I assume you feel the same way.

Its just absurd.

It was 13-20 going into the 4th quarter, before it got out of hand.  Just FYI and FWIW.

[catinthehat]

c'mon.  get off freemans back.  dontcha know he is the next jamarcus russel?  you have to have heard that by now, every time the bald bull gets infront of the mic he lets that slip out.

[ksuno1stunner]

c'mon.  get off freemans back.  dontcha know he is the next jamarcus russel?  you have to have heard that by now, every time the bald bull gets infront of the mic he lets that slip out.

We have Freeman!

 

[BMWJhawk]

So, 'Hatter, a few questions:

1.  Didn't both teams have some key injuries last season for the ku/K-State game?

2.  Is Yamon Figurs going to petition for another year of eligibility at K-State, and if not, who the hell is going to be your excuse next season?

3.  Did you enjoy the Texas Bowl?

[catdude33]

1.  No.

2.  No.  Prince.

3.  Yes.

Those were easy.

[The Manhatter]

1.  Didn't both teams have some key injuries last season for the ku/K-State game?

2.  Is Yamon Figurs going to petition for another year of eligibility at K-State, and if not, who the hell is going to be your excuse next season?

3.  Did you enjoy the Texas Bowl?

1.  No.  Name a "key" injury for ku going into that game or even during that game?  Your entire OL, Fine, Cornish, Meyer, and Murph started that game...and finished it.  Where defensively?  Allen, McClinton, the big DT from Garden, the LB's, Talib...all played.  Look at KSU's secondary.  Baldwin out.  Watts out.  Lose Williams during the game.  Lose Moore during the game.  Herndon out.  Not sure if Junior Moran even played as he missed the two previous games.  Figurs out.  Nelson was half-Nelson.  Moreira out.  Stringer out. 

2.  Won't need an excuse.  Nelson back to full health now.  Pierce, Murphy, Lamark, and/or Hogan all better options than Gonzales.

3.  Sure, we went to a bowl and you didn't in year 5 of Mangino.

[catzacker]

So, 'Hatter, a few questions:

1.  Didn't both teams have some key injuries last season for the ku/K-State game?

2.  Is Yamon Figurs going to petition for another year of eligibility at K-State, and if not, who the hell is going to be your excuse next season?

3.  Did you enjoy the Texas Bowl?

1.  The injury excuse is lame, I don't know why some KSU fans use it.  Yamon being injured didn't lead to Freeman holding the ball out from his body at the 1 yard line. 

2.  I'm going to say the 2 weeks of preparation ku will have prior to the KSU game.  Mangino sure knows how to keep his job.

3.  Yes, except the ass kicking part.