Bishop Vs Roberson

[Trog]

With the discussion on alltime team I thought I try out a poll.

Assume you are going to re-do the season (don't assume any injuries or fumbles will necessarily occur)
It is a complete redo of the season.
Which team gives the best chance to win it all?

[970Cat]

98 Cats were tougher, no way that team loses to Marshall at home.  It took 2 years for that team to lose 3 games, not 3 weeks.

[tmramrod91]

'98 team was incredible, and a lot of it had to do with the attitude that Bishop brought. The '98 D was much better (not as fast) as the '03 D.

Can you imagine if Sproles was on the '98 team   
.........i think my mind just exploded

[S. Parker]

Bishop in '98.

I would rather have Bishop as well if I had to choose. He was a amazing qb and leader. He seemed to elevate the players around him. Very, very tough.

[doom]

98 Cats were tougher, no way that team loses to Marshall at home.  It took 2 years for that team to lose 3 games, not 3 weeks.

We lost the Marshall game because Roberson had a broken hand.

[970Cat]

98 Cats were tougher, no way that team loses to Marshall at home.  It took 2 years for that team to lose 3 games, not 3 weeks.

We lost the Marshall game because Roberson had a broken hand.

Bishop was tougher, he would have played with a broken hand and kicked ass too.  Even so, that 98 team was tougher.  I will take Jeff Kelly and Mark Simoneau over Buhl and Hickman any day of the week.  Carter, Butler, Chapman, Cooper.  The only player in that dbackfield from 03 that could have played on the 98 team was Washington. 

[steve dave]

We lost the Marshall game because Roberson had a broken hand.

The '98 D would have outscored Marshall themselves.  I love the 2003 D but it could not hold the jockstrap of the 1998 D.  Bishop was far better than Roberson, anyone that argues otherwise did not witness both in person.  Does anyone know who the running back was in '97 or '98?  Yeah, it was Hickson and Lawrence.  They got the job done but were both about as good as Petrie.  Sproles would have run for 2000 in '97 and '98.  Our O-Line in '98 was the second biggest O-Line in football...not college football...Football.  The Jacksonville Jaguars had a bigger line...barely.  Big doesn't=better but in this case it did.  Darnell was a great possesion receiver > Terry.  Darren Howard was a beast.  Kelly,  Simoneau & Ochs at LB!  Chapman and Cooper at S were monsters.  2003 had better CBs but Butler had a long NFL career and Dyshod got drafted.  Top to bottem that was our chance at a NC and we would have run away with it if Sproles was on that team.  Even without Bishop the 1998 team would have beat that Marshall team by 35.

[coitus]

that bitch in zona wouldn't have run to the cops if it was bishop.

she would have bragged to her friends.

bishop.

[970Cat]

  2003 had better CBs but Butler had a long NFL career and Dyshod got drafted. 
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who was better than Dyshod and Jerametrius?  I know of one kid that had a good game vs. OU, just can't think of his name.  I guess that is my point, if I can't remember their names, they weren't all that.  I would still take Carter and Butler.  Andrew Schull, and Houchin were solid, I would take them over JoeBob, but Darren Howard was the best DE we had.

[catdude33]

We lost the Marshall game because Roberson had a broken hand.

The '98 D would have outscored Marshall themselves.  I love the 2003 D but it could not hold the jockstrap of the 1998 D.  Bishop was far better than Roberson, anyone that argues otherwise did not witness both in person.  Does anyone know who the running back was in '97 or '98?  Yeah, it was Hickson and Lawrence.  They got the job done but were both about as good as Petrie.  Sproles would have run for 2000 in '97 and '98.  Our O-Line in '98 was the second biggest O-Line in football...not college football...Football.  The Jacksonville Jaguars had a bigger line...barely.  Big doesn't=better but in this case it did.  Darnell was a great possesion receiver > Terry.  Darren Howard was a beast.  Kelly,  Simoneau & Ochs at LB!  Chapman and Cooper at S were monsters.  2003 had better CBs but Butler had a long NFL career and Dyshod got drafted.  Top to bottem that was our chance at a NC and we would have run away with it if Sproles was on that team.  Even without Bishop the 1998 team would have beat that Marshall team by 35.

QFT.  I couldn't have put it better myself.  The 1998 team is my favorite KSU team by far.  They were not only extremely talented, but they brought an attitude that you could feel when they took the field.

[kst8cat]

It was Eric Hickson and Marlon Charles.  Mike Lawrence was gone by then.  He graduated in '96 or '97.

[970Cat]

Do you remember Cephus Scott from the 97 team?

[hemmy]

If only I had a time machine 

[kst8cat]

Do you remember Cephus Scott from the 97 team?

Me?  No, I don't remember him in particular.  The name sounds kind of familiar, but I don't remember any specific plays or what position he played.  Did you know there is a statue of Mike Lawrence in Lincoln, Nebraska?

[970Cat]

I remember them saying that the UN statue was that of a guy tackling a KSU player, I didn't realize it was Lawrence.  Scott was a DBack on that 97 team, I thought he was awesome, but Cooper was so good as a freshman on that 97 team that Scott knew he would split time at best.    I think he transferred to a Texas DII school so he wouldn't have to sit out.  That 98 team had a lot of talent and some depth too.

[JTKSU]

Do you remember Cephus Scott from the 97 team?

I seem to remember himhaving a "grill" before they were cool.  Maybe confusing him with someone else.

[steve dave]

I seem to remember himhaving a "grill" before they were cool.  Maybe confusing him with someone else.

Frank Murphy? 

[970Cat]

Do you remember Cephus Scott from the 97 team?

I seem to remember himhaving a "grill" before they were cool.  Maybe confusing him with someone else.

No Cephus "Lil John" Scott had the Gold Teef in 97. 

[kst8cat]

I remember them saying that the UN statue was that of a guy tackling a KSU player, I didn't realize it was Lawrence. 

It's a gang tackle by 3 or 4 players, actually.  Anyway, I forgot earlier, but Frank Murphy spent some time at running back on that team in addition to Hickson and Charles.  But he had a bad case of fumblitis and was on the bench a lot.  Also spent a little time as WR and as kickoff returner.

[steve dave]

who was better than Dyshod and Jerametrius?  I know of one kid that had a good game vs. OU, just can't think of his name.  I guess that is my point, if I can't remember their names, they weren't all that.  I would still take Carter and Butler.  Andrew Schull, and Houchin were solid, I would take them over JoeBob, but Darren Howard was the best DE we had.

Yeah, you're right.  I remember bagging on Butler and Carter in the stands every game but, to be fair, the weakest link in that chain was not weak at all.  We got so spoiled in '97-'98 that we really had to look hard to find issues.  Those seasons ruined college football for me.  Does anyone else remember the feeling that the season was over after the first loss?  Hell, at the time I didn't even think of '99 as a "good year"  .  Spoiled.  

[steve dave]

Anyway, I forgot earlier, but Frank Murphy spent some time at running back on that team in addition to Hickson and Charles.  But he had a bad case of fumblitis and was on the bench a lot.  Also spent a little time as WR and as kickoff returner.

Murphy was after those guys (Hickson, Lawrence).  He was on the team in '98 but started really getting plays in '99.  He came out of GCCC in the Beasley years.  Per my above post those years felt like "bad years"  .  I would give anything to have those "bad years" back.

Murphy info:  Holds KSU’s records with a 4.22 clocking in the 40-yard dash and a 42-inch vertical jump.

[970Cat]

who was better than Dyshod and Jerametrius?  I know of one kid that had a good game vs. OU, just can't think of his name.  I guess that is my point, if I can't remember their names, they weren't all that.  I would still take Carter and Butler.  Andrew Schull, and Houchin were solid, I would take them over JoeBob, but Darren Howard was the best DE we had.

Yeah, you're right.  I remember bagging on Butler and Carter in the stands every game but, to be fair, the weakest link in that chain was not weak at all.  We got so spoiled in '97-'98 that we really had to look hard to find issues.  Those seasons ruined college football for me.  Does anyone else remember the feeling that the season was over after the first loss?  Hell, at the time I didn't even think of '99 as a "good year"  .  Spoiled. 

99 was a great year until that egg of a game we laid in Lincoln.  That team was good enough to win up there, but UN was still pretty solid and Beasley was hurt, IIRC.  But yeah, that did seem like a let down, and going to the Holiday Bowl that year was yet another let-down for the quality team we had. 

But if 99 was a let-down, how about 2000?  3 losses.  OU beat us twice, but if Morgan could have held on to some of those 3rd down passes in Manhattan, that game would have been quite a bit different. 

[kst8cat]

Does anyone else remember the feeling that the season was over after the first loss?  Hell, at the time I didn't even think of '99 as a "good year"  .  Spoiled. 

1999 was my favorite year ever!  Go ask a Missouri fan if 66-0 rings a bell.  That game was totally insane.  It could have been a lot worse if Snyder hadn't called off the dogs in the 3rd quarter.  Then you had Larry Smith's wife going down the sidelines telling the Missouri players they suck.  I laughed when I read about that.  Plus we finished the season ranked higher than any other year at 6th in both polls.  (In 1995 and 2002, we finished 6th in coaches and 7th AP). 

[swish1]

the only reason roberson is even compared to bishop is because roberson won the conference championship.  bishop was the better player and had the better team(s) its just that by 2003 nebraska and colorado werent as good as they used to be and we choked against aTm in the 98 title game.

[kst8cat]

KSU had 21 consecutive regular season conference wins spanning from 10/11/97 to 11/9/99.  This conference record was tied (but not broken) by Texas last year.  KSU prevented it from being broken.   8)

[steve dave]

KSU had 21 consecutive regular season conference wins spanning from 10/11/97 to 11/9/99.  This conference record was tied (but not broken) by Texas last year.  KSU prevented it from being broken.   8)

Fantastic.  I will forever live in those glory days.  The question is, will we ever have another stretch like that?  If we get Arthur Brown we may.

[fatty fat fat]

KSU had 21 consecutive regular season conference wins spanning from 10/11/97 to 11/9/99.  This conference record was tied (but not broken) by Texas last year.  KSU prevented it from being broken.   8)

Wrong. Texas hit 20 consecutive regular season wins. Our record stands alone. :cool:

[rjd27]

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=11718.50
I discuss the 1998 vs 2003 teams in the "Your All K-State team" topic thread.
Hands down, the '98 squad was superior. Too many firsts on that team. Yes, the 2003 team is Big 12 Champions, but the 1998 season was an experience.
R.J.

[kst8cat]

KSU had 21 consecutive regular season conference wins spanning from 10/11/97 to 11/9/99.  This conference record was tied (but not broken) by Texas last year.  KSU prevented it from being broken.   8)

Wrong. Texas hit 20 consecutive regular season wins. Our record stands alone. :cool:

Really?  Wow, that is great.  Apparently the 21-game Texas streak counts their CCG win vs. Colorado.  Too bad we can't count our CCG vs. A&M.   

[cireksu]

the big 12 was not good in 1998.

03 big 12>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 98 big 12.