KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock

[WilliamTheWildcat]

Donors don't give "Big money" w/o assurances from the university administration.  If your family needs reassurance, have them call Weiser/Wefald and co.

[AzCat]

My fear is that there will be old money type donors that begin questioning the admin over this type of stuff.  One of my best friends' grandparents are big time donors for like 50+ years and he said they were going to stop donating after the Marcus Raines stuff hit the air waves.  My fear is that with all the misinformation and mudslinging, the same thing could happen again.  

You guys are naive if you dont' think that this stuff impacts the university, or just ignore it saying "grow some thick skin".

Hopefully the old money donors will have heart attacks upon hearing this, leaving their money to younger more aggressive donors.

[cireksu]

They've donated for 45-50+years, ever since they bought their first season of fb tix which my friend said was in the late 50's.  They couldnt' believe KSU would allow a "murderer on the team".

That is an outstanding thought azcat.

[AzCat]

That's why they pay me the big bucks cire.

[cireksu]

whole point being people in this thread saying "grow some thick skin" don't realize the effect that this can have on our own fanbase.  The vast majority are not nearly as informed as many of the people on freeking message boards.  I work with plenty of ksu fans that question this kind of crap because "Posnanski wrote it".

Will be interested to see if the practice facility can garner the support to get started.

[michigancat]

whole point being people in this thread saying "grow some thick skin" don't realize the effect that this can have on our own fanbase.  The vast majority are not nearly as informed as many of the people on freeking message boards.  I work with plenty of ksu fans that question this kind of crap because "Posnanski wrote it".

Will be interested to see if the practice facility can garner the support to get started.

You know some real idiots.  Idiots can't make enough money to make a difference.

[chum1]

 

[cireksu]

I hope you are right in all cases but I know from experience that there can be exceptions.  There is no qualifier to being a donor of "high bball iq".

[Levi Wolters]

So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?

[chum1]

[cireksu]

So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?

Oh I have no idea how they felt about huggs, the raines thing happened when my buddy was still in school and he was afraid they were going to give up their 50 yd line tickets, that he got to use while in school.

[ChicagoCat]

So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?

I think because Huggs was a proven winner people could ignore a checkered past easier. 

[WilliamTheWildcat]

So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?

Like I said:  Hair on fire types.  They'll be doused when the "journalistic integrity" furor passes.  Until then, just point and laugh. 

[WilliamTheWildcat]

So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?

I think because Huggs was a proven winner people could ignore a checkered past easier. 

There's a word for people like that. Hip-something.

[catzacker]

whole point being people in this thread saying "grow some thick skin" don't realize the effect that this can have on our own fanbase.  The vast majority are not nearly as informed as many of the people on freeking message boards.  I work with plenty of ksu fans that question this kind of crap because "Posnanski wrote it".

Will be interested to see if the practice facility can garner the support to get started.

You know some real idiots.  Idiots can't make enough money to make a difference.

The only reason Marcus Raines was not on KSU's football roster is because KK made a huge deal of it and it rattled the cages of the old KSU people/donors (basically the WIBW crowd). 

[CatMission]

I know I am joining in the crowd which continues to beat Barbaro here but I cannot figure out the Star's connection to what appears to be a weekly arts and entertainment magazine.  I just went over and looked up "Frank Martin Basketball" on the Miami Herald website and came up with a ton of stories from the late 90s including stories about the FSHSAA investigation and what caught my eye is that the Herald is owned by Knight Ridder just like the Star.  Why didn't the Star editors go to their sister paper to get to the bottom of this instead of this quasi-newspaper?  Maybe nobody at the Herald had an axe to grind with Martin the way the Miami High New Times did.  Several of the articles were even written by Dan LeBatard who is not only still at the Herald and also on ESPN, but has never been bashful about making news (ask Tim Hardaway).  I guess anything that threatens the Golden Goose of KC Sports (ku Hoops) must be dealt with and dealt with harshly.
 

[pissclams]

Chun-Li needs to take her Hyakuretsukyaku (translated properly as Lightning Kick) to this thread's facial region.

[cireksu]

Dan LeBatard, wrote an excellent article in August of 98 after everything went down, saying Martin was a product of the school and system in place for bringing kids in.  Which is what I think happened.  I would have been fine with that.

[sonofdaxjones]

I admit this thread is long on the tooth.  But you have to admit.  The Star bringing in this guy, to fly air cover for their two superstar sports columnists is hilarious.   

[catdude33]

Who wouldn't cheat to get Steve Blake and Udonis Haslem?  If you're not cheating you're not trying hard enough.

[sonofdaxjones]

Who wouldn't cheat to get Steve Blake and Udonis Haslem?  If you're not cheating you're not trying hard enough.

For over 15 years KSU tried to do it the nice way and what did it get them?  When you're instate competition is on probation 5 times, is tied to some the shadiest recruiting in the last 20 years, and goes as far as hiring fathers to get their sons . . . if you want to have a prayer of competing against that, you've got to get your hands dirty.   

[AzCat]

So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?

I think because Huggs was a proven winner people could ignore a checkered past easier. 

The only thing standing between Frank Martin and his being a proven winner is the time between now and the opening of next season.

[Trim]

I read somewhere that the Miami New times is equivalent to the "Pitch" in KC.

Here?

Is the "Miami New Times" Miami's version of "The Pitch?" 

I was just guessing based on the name.  Guessed right!

I think it's hilarious that some of you are getting all worked up about what's being written about Frank Do you not remember all the columns when KSU hired Huggins? You guys didn't defend him, you just tagged him and the program with MCMW. Fantastic way to handle it, and throw it back in the critics face.

Why does Frank need to be pampered with your defense?

MHSAAVMW, no?

That's why I was throwing out "The Asylum" as a new board nickname.  The name of Miami High's gym.  Embrace this crap.