KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock

[cireksu]

. . . no doubt something shady was going down at this HS and Martin got caught in the middle of it.

Poor innocent dupe.  I hate it when bad things happen to good people.




Frank Martin -- 0 and 37 in his last year as a head coach

Frank Martin has coached more NBA talent than Bill Self has.

[ksu_FAN]

I think getting worked up about "journalist reponsibility" is a bit much.  We have a pair of columnists citing a source, then having that source pretty much write his own column about something that happened over 10 years ago to back them up.  They feel they are right, and nothing we can do will make them "wrong".  This is their job and IMO they are getting exactly what they wanted.  At this point there is no restitution, like most have said the best thing to do is simply to move on b/c like most of this junk it will be forgotten quickly.  If you feel the need, boycott the star, but in reality that will really only serve to make you feel better.

With nothing else to talk about (basketball-wise) until some more recruiting news comes down, I'm not surprised this is getting so much play.

[cireksu]

I think getting worked up about "journalist reponsibility" is a bit much.  We have a pair of columnists citing a source, then having that source pretty much write his own column about something that happened over 10 years ago to back them up.  They feel they are right, and nothing we can do will make them "wrong".  This is their job and IMO they are getting exactly what they wanted.  At this point there is no restitution, like most have said the best thing to do is simply to move on b/c like most of this junk it will be forgotten quickly.  If you feel the need, boycott the star, but in reality that will really only serve to make you feel better.

With nothing else to talk about (basketball-wise) until some more recruiting news comes down, I'm not surprised this is getting so much play.

Sorry for having pride in my university.

You don't live in KC do you?

[WilliamTheWildcat]

Sorry for having pride in my university.

You don't live in KC do you?

I do.  And Fan is correct.  Roll with the punches.

[cireksu]

We will always be 3rd Tier.

[michigancat]

I think it's hilarious that some of you are getting all worked up about what's being written about Frank Do you not remember all the columns when KSU hired Huggins? You guys didn't defend him, you just tagged him and the program with MCMW. Fantastic way to handle it, and throw it back in the critics face.

Why does Frank need to be pampered with your defense?

MHSAAVMW, no?

No crap.  &@#% 'em.

[ksu_FAN]

No, I don't live in KC.  I don't subscribe to the KC Star, though I do read it online sometimes.  There is really nothing I can do besides quit reading it.  Again, there may be something about unsubscribing and if you feel the need do so.

Kietz posted about it on GP.  Check out the Miami New Times' sports section.  Certainly some "interesting" articles from that "news source".

[willie83]

If the Miami New Times is like any of the other New Times I have read, it should be called the "Miami High Times". They are counter culture rags that go after the 'The Man' that is holding us down and using the little guy, man. "Skateboarding is not a crime, dude!"

[Dan Rydell]

I think it's hilarious that some of you are getting all worked up about what's being written about Frank Do you not remember all the columns when KSU hired Huggins? You guys didn't defend him, you just tagged him and the program with MCMW. Fantastic way to handle it, and throw it back in the critics face.

Why does Frank need to be pampered with your defense?

MHSAAVMW, no?

QFT.

More Violations More Wins!    

[chum1]

LW is right.  This board kind of blows these days.

[AzCat]

Instead of bringing in someone from the Miami New Times.  Is that a real newspaper anyway.

For those that don't know it's a semi-national lefty rag that's roughly the equivalent of the Weekly World News less aliens landing on the White House lawn and Satan's skull being found in a New Mexico desert.  Greenies torching SUVs?  The New Times will be right on the case to spew forth the evils of big oil, corporate America, and the almighty dollar.  Earth Liberation Front ransacking research labs?  The New Times will be right on the case with numerous front page spreads equating animal researchers with Josef Mengele and stating firmly that the potential to save millions of human lives isn't worth the discomfort of the first lab rat.  Eco terrorists torching million dollar homes near a nature preserve?  The New Times will give free and unlimited space for the arsonists to spew forth their twisted ideologies.  Children being (gasp!) allowed to compete?  Compete!?!  Never fear the New Times will rake the muck in a vain attempt to demonstrate the evils of competition of all types from children's sports right on up to that among those awful multinational corporations.

If you've not had the pleasure of reading the New Times it's tough to describe exactly how far down into the muck The Star has gone this time.

[WilliamTheWildcat]

LW is right.  This board kind of blows these days.

Hang in there.  The hair on fire types will calm over the coming weeks. 

[BullHawkWheel]

So instead of attacking the writer and his points, you guys are attacking the newspaper from miami?  nice.  way to prove our point.  I wish you guys could go join the conf. usa so we could get rid of the embarrassment that you guys are to the big 12.

[Dan Rydell]

Instead of bringing in someone from the Miami New Times.  Is that a real newspaper anyway.

For those that don't know it's a semi-national lefty rag that's roughly the equivalent of the Weekly World News less aliens landing on the White House lawn and Satan's skull being found in a New Mexico desert.  Greenies torching SUVs?  The New Times will be right on the case to spew forth the evils of big oil, corporate America, and the almighty dollar.  Earth Liberation Front ransacking research labs?  The New Times will be right on the case with numerous front page spreads equating animal researchers with Josef Mengele and stating firmly that the potential to save millions of human lives isn't worth the discomfort of the first lab rat.  Eco terrorists torching million dollar homes near a nature preserve?  The New Times will give free and unlimited space for the arsonists to spew forth their twisted ideologies.  Children being (gasp!) allowed to compete?  Compete!?!  Never fear the New Times will rake the muck in a vain attempt to demonstrate the evils of competition of all types from children's sports right on up to that among those awful multinational corporations.

If you've not had the pleasure of reading the New Times it's tough to describe exactly how far down into the muck The Star has gone this time.

It is exactly the equivalent of the Star having a guest columnist from The Pitch...the papers (Pitch and New Times) are owned by the same company, I believe, and contain the same type of material.  

LOL.  I'm not exactly sure why so many folks have a jones for K-State, but it's funny to watch.  Remember how our non-rivals used to love Jim Wooldridge?

[WilliamTheWildcat]

So instead of attacking the writer and his points, you guys are attacking the newspaper from miami?  nice.  way to prove our point.  I wish you guys could go join the conf. usa so we could get rid of the embarrassment that you guys are to the big 12.

It's like reading the phog isn't it?

[sys]

What I took from that article is that Frank Martin has recruited and coached NBA talent before.

i agree with wcp, this was the relevant part of the article.  too bad the writer didn't spend more time discussing it.

[AzCat]

LOL.  I'm not exactly sure why so many folks have a jones for K-State, but it's funny to watch.  Remember how our non-rivals used to love Jim Wooldridge?

If they hate you you're doing an awful lot right. 

[willie83]

So instead of attacking the writer and his points, you guys are attacking the newspaper from miami?  nice.  way to prove our point.  I wish you guys could go join the conf. usa so we could get rid of the embarrassment that you guys are to the big 12.

The point is, young lady, the New Times is more an editorial paper than it is a news source.

The Star has lowered itself to the level of an editorial rag that allows opinion to be confused with news.

[jamied111]

Here's the email of the Star's Sports Editor, Holly Lawton, if anyone is interested...

[email protected]

[AzCat]

Here's the email of the Star's Sports Editor, Holly Lawton, if anyone is interested...

[email protected]

The sports editor will, of course, have approved the story.  If you're going to do this you want to question the validity of the source with the paper's ombudsman: [email protected]

[pissclams]

LW is right.  This board kind of blows these days.

It's approaching http://www.KSUFans.com status with a twist of GPC mixed in for good measure.

[WilliamTheWildcat]

Holy Christ.  What a bunch of thin skinned candy asses.

[BullHawkWheel]

ok go cry to the star and give them more ammo to write about.  fact is all you dumbasses reading the star give them the power to write what they want.  its not like you will stop reading the star.  they are the kietz of newspapers.

[AzCat]

Pretty much but at least now they'll complain to the proper party rather than being the latest laugh for the folks in the sports department.

[WilliamTheWildcat]

LW is right.  This board kind of blows these days.

It's approaching http://www.KSUFans.com status with a twist of GPC mixed in for good measure.

This is still a very good board.  Better than posting on either of the other available boards.  I like that it's not moderated to excess.  Nobody is here locking threads or banning posters for being stupid, or deleting threads completely.  

Unfortunately, we'll have to tolerate the Kstatefans tards till this whining over 'journalism' is finished.

[fatty fat fat]

LW is right.  This board kind of blows these days.

It's approaching http://www.KSUFans.com status with a twist of GPC mixed in for good measure.

Holy Christ. We have one thread on the topic. Relax.

[WilliamTheWildcat]

ok go cry to the star and give them more ammo to write about.  fact is all you dumbasses reading the star give them the power to write what they want.  its not like you will stop reading the star.  they are the kietz of newspapers.

I love hearing this from a poster that frequents the "Boycott KK" phog board.  I've entered Seinfeld's bizzaro world.

[BullHawkWheel]

way to label me as a kk basher.  kk is brilliant.  he is a tool,  but he gets every fan to listen, whether they hate him or like him.  i have never bashed kietz, only the dumbass fans that take his bait.  why do you think hs ratings are through the roof?

[cireksu]

My fear is that there will be old money type donors that begin questioning the admin over this type of stuff.  One of my best friends' grandparents are big time donors for like 50+ years and he said they were going to stop donating after the Marcus Raines stuff hit the air waves.  My fear is that with all the misinformation and mudslinging, the same thing could happen again.  

You guys are naive if you dont' think that this stuff impacts the university, or just ignore it saying "grow some thick skin".

[michigancat]

1) The recent growth has led to the sh*tty posters posting more often.  It's no big deal (in regards to the board).

2) Who wants to bet that if KK hadn't said anything (ignored Whitlock and Pos), the Star doesn't bring in this guest columnist and we aren't having this retarded discussion again today?

Just STFU and enjoy beasleywalkerhoskins.