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April 06, 2007, 11:40:57 AM
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378 days.  The Coach Huggins era of Kansas State basketball.  Plenty of good memories and the most success around here in years.  It’s been good to get away, spend time doing other things, catch last night’s FB practice, and sleep on it.  While still surprising, it’s time to move on; but I’ve got one more post devoted to Coach Huggins.  I’m sure I’ll mention him again in passing like other former coaches, but for a fan like me this kind of brings some finality to the situation. 

It’s kind of funny, it seems if anyone “deserves” to be really upset at Coach Huggins it’s a fan like me.  I was one of those that had the most questions about Huggins a year ago, wondering about his past and those issues he would bring to K-State.  However, I was eventually won over and came to believe in him.  I thought he would be the man to lead K-State for years and bring us into elite or at least near elite status.  As a K-State fan that had been through plenty of bad basketball, I was looking forward to it and I had been patiently waiting for years.  Then the last 48 or so hours go down and like that it’s all over.  I suppose I should be extremely ticked, but I’m not and I won’t be.  More like disappointed and ready to move on.  Like Weiser, I suppose I put too much trust in a man and it came back to bite me. 

IMO Coach Huggins made the right decision for himself, mainly based on a love for his “good ole boy” friends from college and secondarily to be closer to family.  I really doubt Charlie Huggins was pulling him to come home; he just wanted his son to be the best coach he could be.  However, his buddies have probably been in his ear for years and after letting them down 5 years ago they weren’t about to let that happen again.  I think he really came here with the best intentions (I don’t think he purposely “used” us), but as the season went along I’m sure the pressure mounted as they saw there might be a chance Beilein would be gone.  I can’t blame those guys too much though, if most of us were in the same situation we’d do that too.  So at the end of the day Bob Huggins had to decide what was best, make happy a selected group of folks that he’s known for years and crush thousands he’d known for one, or make happy thousands and crush the few.  The few won out b/c the relationship was so much more developed and he was tight with those guys.  I can understand that.  It doesn’t make it right and it doesn’t change the fact that he screwed over an entire fan base.  As a result, I don’t think Huggins is a complete snake; he’s just a man with flaws like all of us.  We all have been in situations where we say we believe in certain things (like loyalty and commitment), but when it really comes down and other things pull on us those are conditional and we’re going to alter those to best fit our own ambitions.  That’s what Coach did IMO and I’m not going to throw him under the bus for that.  I do think at the end of the day it reflects well on K-State; we were willing to give a guy a chance and support that few others were willing to give and we got burnt a bit.  To me that just reflects the kind of folks K-Staters really are and I’ll choose to focus on that.

If reports are true that he called recruits, yeah that’s disappointing too, but the ultra-competitiveness of Coach Huggins (that we have to acknowledge pushed him to the edge of “right and wrong” before he got here and while he was here even) isn’t going to change with this decision and for us not to expect that is silly.  He wants to go to West Virginia and do the same and he’ll likely build a great program there before he retires.  He’s going to use the same methods to do that to get us on the verge of greatness here.  It’s really hypocritical of us to lambaste him for doing the essentially same thing at West Virginia that he did here.

So I’ve lost most of the respect I had for Coach as he leaves us in a lurch, but I’ll get over it.  As I’ve always done as a K-State basketball fan I’ll move on.  In the end I probably haven’t lost as much respect for Coach as for Tom Asbury who IMO did all but quit on this university.  Nor will I respect him as much as Jim Wooldridge who definitely wasn’t near the coach as Huggins, but IMO had more true loyalty and commitment.  So that’s it, the Coach Huggins era is over and its time to move on.  I suppose more of me wants to say thank you and good luck than curse the man, so I’ll leave it at that.

April 06, 2007, 11:50:20 AM
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So you're not rooting for another heart attack?

April 06, 2007, 11:52:00 AM
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No.  Bob Huggins era is over.

April 06, 2007, 11:53:51 AM
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No.  Bob Huggins era is over.

You better get over to GPC. Powertards are attacking you.  :ksu:

April 06, 2007, 11:56:08 AM
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You've lost "most" of your respect for Huggins?  What's left?


April 06, 2007, 11:56:27 AM
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IMO Coach Huggins made the right decision for himself, mainly based on a love for his “good ole boy” friends from college and secondarily to be closer to family.

I agree.  Huggins is truly a good ole boy himself.  And we now have another fun coaching search to look forward to!

April 06, 2007, 11:57:08 AM
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You've lost "most" of your respect for Huggins?  What's left?


Probably the fact that he is a good coach and recruiter. He would also be a terrific car salesman.

April 06, 2007, 11:58:32 AM
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If you could go back a year ago, knowing that BH would only be in Manhattan for a year, would you do it over again. Or would you of taken your chances with someone like Turgeon or McDermott? knowing they wouldve brought medicore success. What I am saying is, do you think the program is in better shape right now, if they can some how keep Walker and some of the recruits vs. having mediocre success. 
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April 06, 2007, 11:59:35 AM
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April 06, 2007, 12:00:43 PM
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Of course woolly had more loyalty, wouldn't you be loyal to people paying you 1 million a year do do a half assed job?

April 06, 2007, 12:01:17 PM
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You've lost "most" of your respect for Huggins?  What's left?



He's a great coach and recruiter as another poster said.  I can respect that.  I don't respect that loyalty and commitment are things that are conditional for him.  

jarr, I'm not sure yet.  I think in some ways we're much better off for having Huggs and in some ways not.  I really only think time will tell, but we'll probably know in the next few weeks.  If what he's built falls apart and we end having to reach for a coach, we're starting over lower than where we were a year ago.  If we're somehow able to maintain much of the base that Huggins (and only Huggins could've) built, then we'll be better off.  We'll see.

April 06, 2007, 12:02:08 PM
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If you could go back a year ago, knowing that BH would only be in Manhattan for a year, would you do it over again. Or would you of taken your chances with someone like Turgeon or McDermott? knowing they wouldve brought medicore success. What I am saying is, do you think the program is in better shape right now, if they can some how keep Walker and some of the recruits vs. having mediocre success. 

The fact that it appeared as though McDermott was our second choice scares me about our current hire.  There were so many better options than McDermott.  

Under your scenario, I wouldn't have hired Bob Huggins.  IMO, obviously without knowing the future, the program would better off without Huggins in purple.  As of right now, all we've had under Huggins is mediocre success.  

April 06, 2007, 12:02:30 PM
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he's a shill, his comments about loyalty and the "wonderful people here" were simply a way to keep everyone distracted like any con-man uses to gain trust.  Nope, not a thank you one from me and I hope he dies a painful death that takes all of the next twenty four hours.   Other than that I've moved on, he's not getting anything more from me.  
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April 06, 2007, 12:07:55 PM
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If you could go back a year ago, knowing that BH would only be in Manhattan for a year, would you do it over again. Or would you of taken your chances with someone like Turgeon or McDermott? knowing they wouldve brought medicore success. What I am saying is, do you think the program is in better shape right now, if they can some how keep Walker and some of the recruits vs. having mediocre success. 

The fact that it appeared as though McDermott was our second choice scares me about our current hire.  There were so many better options than McDermott. 

Under your scenario, I wouldn't have hired Bob Huggins.  IMO, obviously without knowing the future, the program would better off without Huggins in purple.  As of right now, all we've had under Huggins is mediocre success. 

You cant deny that the exposure the program got the past year is more than it has in a while, you also cant deny that the coaching vacancy is more attractive than its been in a while.
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April 06, 2007, 12:13:16 PM
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Well put..

Pretty much how I feel.


April 06, 2007, 12:15:46 PM
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I would probably hire him even if I knew what would happen. It just really really sucks. It's one of the biggest disappointments I can remember from being a fan because I could see where our program was headed. If we end up getting a decent coach and/or retaining some of our recruits then I will admit that Bob Huggins actually helped us.

April 06, 2007, 12:18:50 PM
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If you could go back a year ago, knowing that BH would only be in Manhattan for a year, would you do it over again. Or would you of taken your chances with someone like Turgeon or McDermott? knowing they wouldve brought medicore success. What I am saying is, do you think the program is in better shape right now, if they can some how keep Walker and some of the recruits vs. having mediocre success. 

The fact that it appeared as though McDermott was our second choice scares me about our current hire.  There were so many better options than McDermott. 

Under your scenario, I wouldn't have hired Bob Huggins.  IMO, obviously without knowing the future, the program would better off without Huggins in purple.  As of right now, all we've had under Huggins is mediocre success. 

You cant deny that the exposure the program got the past year is more than it has in a while, you also cant deny that the coaching vacancy is more attractive than its been in a while.
The program was exposured because of Huggins, not the other way around.  It won't be the same this year unless we hire Jesus Christ who becomes available on Sunday.  The vacancy is attractive....maybe, maybe not.  This whole situation reminds me of the UT game in football, got everyone's expectations up, but in reality our program wasn't at the level fans thought it was after that win. 

April 06, 2007, 12:51:15 PM
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Where we go from here is the determining factor.  If we make the wrong hire we are effed six ways to Sunday.  Any hire we make is a crap shoot though.  As far as whether or not I would still want Huggs if I knew it would only be for a year, that is a hard call.  I really hope we don't screw this up, it was fun being able to have hope for basketball again.