unpopular thought

[Kat Kid]

Thank You Bob Huggins.

If we can parlay his coffee break career here into another high-profile coach then we can put ourselves up a couple of rungs.

I don't want Frank Martin.  I don't want Delonte.  I don't want SIU's coach.  I don't want Dana f'in Altman.  I don't want Turgeon (if we could even get him  ).  I don't want Tim Jank (won't get him he just got hired at Illy State).  I CERTAINLY don't want Londo.

We need to go out and get Steve Lavin, Matt Doh (hired on, first season prolly not), NoRich or Majerus.  We need to put the stamp on the program that this was an alma mater backstab not a "OMG I'M COACHING IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE WTF??!!1" spin that ku fans and others may want to project on to it.

Frank Martin should only be brought in as an interim headcoach, but probably not at all.

When will we have top 10 talent coming in to a vacant job, coming off a huge name coach at Kansas State again?  My argument is that if we hire Wooly part dos that the answer is probably never.  We have leverage/a box of carrots to sell ourselves to a certain set of coaches.  We can't get into this 'once bitten twice shy' nonsense.  We have to double down and keep the program on the map.  Frank Martin isn't going to do that.

[doom]

You just thanked huggins?!?  Party foul!

[WildCatzPhreak]

you're right.  unpopular thought.

majerus 

I think Martin might turn out to be a very good basketball coach.  I think we should give him and Dalonte a 4 year contract, and pay the HC about 600k, and the assistant like 300k(it'd more than triple his salary and should be enough to keep him.)  Both seem to be excellent recruiters, and recruiting seems to be the name of the game nowadays.  If you can recruit, you win, regardless of the x's and o's.

[FHSU92]

There's a reason that thought is unpopular.

[Kat Kid]

you're right.  unpopular thought.

majerus 

I think Martin might turn out to be a very good basketball coach.  I think we should give him and Dalonte a 4 year contract, and pay the HC about 600k, and the assistant like 300k(it'd more than triple his salary and should be enough to keep him.)  Both seem to be excellent recruiters, and recruiting seems to be the name of the game nowadays.  If you can recruit, you win, regardless of the x's and o's.

Then when they both leave in three years where do we go?

[michigancat]

Thank You Bob Huggins.

If we can parlay his coffee break career here into another high-profile coach then we can put ourselves up a couple of rungs.

I don't want Frank Martin.  I don't want Delonte.  I don't want SIU's coach.  I don't want Dana f'in Altman.  I don't want Turgeon (if we could even get him  ).  I don't want Tim Jank (won't get him he just got hired at Illy State).  I CERTAINLY don't want Londo.

We need to go out and get Steve Lavin, Matt Doh (hired on, first season prolly not), NoRich or Majerus.  We need to put the stamp on the program that this was an alma mater backstab not a "OMG I'M COACHING IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE WTF??!!1" spin that ku fans and others may want to project on to it.

Frank Martin should only be brought in as an interim headcoach, but probably not at all.

When will we have top 10 talent coming in to a vacant job, coming off a huge name coach at Kansas State again?  My argument is that if we hire Wooly part dos that the answer is probably never.  We have leverage/a box of carrots to sell ourselves to a certain set of coaches.  We can't get into this 'once bitten twice shy' nonsense.  We have to double down and keep the program on the map.  Frank Martin isn't going to do that.

For the most part, I agree.  Doherty is a crapty coach, though.  Nolan is probably too old.  Not sure on Lavin.

I don't get the Majerus hate.

[Kat Kid]

Thank You Bob Huggins.

If we can parlay his coffee break career here into another high-profile coach then we can put ourselves up a couple of rungs.

I don't want Frank Martin.  I don't want Delonte.  I don't want SIU's coach.  I don't want Dana f'in Altman.  I don't want Turgeon (if we could even get him  ).  I don't want Tim Jank (won't get him he just got hired at Illy State).  I CERTAINLY don't want Londo.

We need to go out and get Steve Lavin, Matt Doh (hired on, first season prolly not), NoRich or Majerus.  We need to put the stamp on the program that this was an alma mater backstab not a "OMG I'M COACHING IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE WTF??!!1" spin that ku fans and others may want to project on to it.

Frank Martin should only be brought in as an interim headcoach, but probably not at all.

When will we have top 10 talent coming in to a vacant job, coming off a huge name coach at Kansas State again?  My argument is that if we hire Wooly part dos that the answer is probably never.  We have leverage/a box of carrots to sell ourselves to a certain set of coaches.  We can't get into this 'once bitten twice shy' nonsense.  We have to double down and keep the program on the map.  Frank Martin isn't going to do that.

For the most part, I agree.  Doherty is a @#%$ty coach, though.  Nolan is probably too old.  Not sure on Lavin.

I don't get the Majerus hate.

Doh assembled talent.  PERIOD.  This hire isn't about the hire.  It is about establishing Kansas State as a program greater than Huggins.  Then we can begin to consistently compete.

[waks]

Thank You Bob Huggins.

If we can parlay his coffee break career here into another high-profile coach then we can put ourselves up a couple of rungs.

I don't want Frank Martin.  I don't want Delonte.  I don't want SIU's coach.  I don't want Dana f'in Altman.  I don't want Turgeon (if we could even get him  ).  I don't want Tim Jank (won't get him he just got hired at Illy State).  I CERTAINLY don't want Londo.

We need to go out and get Steve Lavin, Matt Doh (hired on, first season prolly not), NoRich or Majerus.  We need to put the stamp on the program that this was an alma mater backstab not a "OMG I'M COACHING IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE WTF??!!1" spin that ku fans and others may want to project on to it.

Frank Martin should only be brought in as an interim headcoach, but probably not at all.

When will we have top 10 talent coming in to a vacant job, coming off a huge name coach at Kansas State again?  My argument is that if we hire Wooly part dos that the answer is probably never.  We have leverage/a box of carrots to sell ourselves to a certain set of coaches.  We can't get into this 'once bitten twice shy' nonsense.  We have to double down and keep the program on the map.  Frank Martin isn't going to do that.

There is no top 10 talent without Martin and Hill. Bottom line is that Hill has to be on staff if we are going to keep that talent.

[Saulbadguy]

I want to keep the recruiting class in tact.   

[chum1]

I don't think the thought would be as unpopular if you chose different coaches as examples.  The basic idea, I think, is to use the recruits to lure in a top notch coach.  After all, how many top notch coaches actually land the #1 recruiting class in their career?  You'd probably also need to throw a bunch of money out there, but no one here will object to that.  I'm not sure who the right candidate would be.  Maybe there's someone unhappy like Tubby was. 

Part of the scenario is that the new coach hires Hill, geniuses.

[sonofdaxjones]

Majerus is a flake, he'll never come to Manhattan anyway.

[mjrod]

you're right.  unpopular thought.

majerus 

I think Martin might turn out to be a very good basketball coach.  I think we should give him and Dalonte a 4 year contract, and pay the HC about 600k, and the assistant like 300k(it'd more than triple his salary and should be enough to keep him.)  Both seem to be excellent recruiters, and recruiting seems to be the name of the game nowadays.  If you can recruit, you win, regardless of the x's and o's.

Then when they both leave in three years where do we go?

We should never hire anyone because they "might" leave in three years.   We should only go for old home run coaches who'll only be around for four maybe five years and they're gone.

You guys that keep talking like this miss what you have right in front of you.   How many times have we heard the statement "WE NEED TALENT" ?   We have the #1 recruiting class signed with us, right now.    The two coaches that pulled this off are still at K-State.  They may not have the credentials of a home run because they haven't done that yet,  but they need to start.   Huggins has already said both of those coaches are responsible for part of the coaching job that made Wooly's recruits go 23-12.

Now, I may not be a basketball magician, but I hear a lot of people argue "It's coaching" vs. "It's talent."   My belief is, it's both and sometimes, we have a tendency to find diamonds in the rough on both sides.  I would like to see Martin and Hill retained EVEN if it's for a couple of years with one of them a HC while we have this talent in our hands.   Do you not see what we could do with this talent?  Easily 20-25 wins and a birth.  We may or may not beat ku but at this point, I'm willing to let those two guys continue to develop the foundation.   The chances of this team with this talent and those two eager young coaches could do NO WORSE than bringing in a home run hire, watching our #1 class fall to pieces and perhaps.. maybe we'd get a similar record as this year.

I'm looking down the line.  A team with this much talent MIGHT get us back on track because if we can get Beasley Sutton Pullen at KSU, and get them going, then it might also mean other top recruits will want to play with them and allow that talent draw to keep us going.  Do I hear that we don't want more talent here?   Give me a break people.   Now is the time to parlay this group into a successful stepping stone.   If Huggins turned us into one, I suggest we fight back as one and build our destiny.  How many of you "coaching geniuses" think we need to get rid of our talent so bad for a long term coach?

BTW:  Make the Hill/Martin connection financially difficult for other schools when they try to lure them away.

[Kat Kid]

The recruiting class has to stay in tact.

We have their LOIs in our hands.

[waks]

The recruiting class has to stay in tact.

We have their LOIs in our hands.

And we would officially be viewed as the worst university ever and would have then damaged our potential to land recruits later on. Plus Beasley is the one we obviously really want and he would probably sit out a year and do something else if he didn't like the coach we had.

[mjrod]

The recruiting class has to stay in tact.

We have their LOIs in our hands.

And we would officially be viewed as the worst university ever and would have then damaged our potential to land recruits later on. Plus Beasley is the one we obviously really want and he would probably sit out a year and do something else if he didn't like the coach we had.

You miss the point.  We want to keep them here and happy.  The only way to do that is to keep the recruiters that landed them.  That's not a hard concept here.   We aren't releasing them because we have no reason to at this point, and I feel we can give them a reason to stay.

[coitus]

And we would officially be viewed as the worst university ever

agreed.

and would have then damaged our potential to land recruits later on.

i call bullcrap.  if a recruit doesn't sign becuase they're concerned about breaking loi before they arrive on campus, what have you really lost?

Plus Beasley is the one we obviously really want and he would probably sit out a year and do something else if he didn't like the coach we had.

if it comes down to beasley liking/disliking our coach, all the more reason to not release now.  hire a coach, let him talk to the recruits, then address the loi question if they ask for a release.

[waks]

The recruiting class has to stay in tact.

We have their LOIs in our hands.

And we would officially be viewed as the worst university ever and would have then damaged our potential to land recruits later on. Plus Beasley is the one we obviously really want and he would probably sit out a year and do something else if he didn't like the coach we had.

You miss the point.  We want to keep them here and happy.  The only way to do that is to keep the recruiters that landed them.  That's not a hard concept here.   We aren't releasing them because we have no reason to at this point, and I feel we can give them a reason to stay.

I'm for hiring FM and making DH very happy. Or hiring a coach that we know can keep FM and DH (the latter is probably not too likely).