Why is everyone always down on Webb?

[michigancat]

He's accounted for all but one of our wins in the last two years.

He isn't that bad.

Is everyone still pissed about the ku games, or is it something else?

[fatty fat fat]

He's a senior. He's black AKA "dumb"

[michigancat]

He's a senior. He's black AKA "dumb"

F'ing racist pigs.

Do we know if Dylan is a sr. or not?

[fatty fat fat]

Dylan "One bridge at a time" - Regarding taking another year

[ksu_FAN]

See Mario Taybron; every team has to have a scapegoat, and a guy who makes a percieved mistake often is the one that gets piled on whether its deserved or not.

I agree, if it wasn't for Webb, Coach Snyder might not have gone out a winner.  Webb has been the QB when we were winning most often the last few years, however, IMO the issue is when Webb has been bad, he's been really bad.  I also would say that he needs some QB run game/option to be successful, and I'm not sure how big a part, if at all, it is going to be next year.

On the "racial, dumb" QB perception, it really is silly.  I will say there is simply a different set of decisions made based on the focus of the offense, a running QB still has to make a ton of decisions, they are just different decisions.  Also, when you're put into a running scheme and coached into a running scheme, you aren't going to be coached up as much on the decision making in the passing game.  It has as much to do with scheme/how you are coached as it does anything.  However, I won't deny the sterotype doesn't exist, and it seems to run rampant at times among some K-State fans.

[michigancat]

  I also would say that he needs some QB run game/option to be successful, and I'm not sure how big a part, if at all, it is going to be next year.

I disagree.  He converted more first downs in obvious passing situations than any other QB over the last five years, by far.  It just so happens, that whenever Webb was in the game, the gameplan was run Alan to death, throw on third and long.  About the only time he played in an offense was somewhat unpredictable was the first half of the Marshall game.  He got it done the last two years against MU with little QB run game - he got it done with his arm.

Meanwhile, Meier has done little more than get leads against aTm and OU before getting the snot knocked out of him, and Everidge has done nothing but be on the field when Jermaine Moriera and Jordy Nelson made a couple great plays.

[ksu_FAN]

Good points Rusty, I think like many I'm swayed in perception by the NU game two years ago, but no doubt both MU wins came largely on Webb's arm.  Its hard to argue when it comes to actually winning games, Webb has been the most consistent over the last few years and I agree that Meier had a bunch of "almosts" like @ ku and CU a couple years ago.  No idea if Webb has gotten a fair shake with gameplanning. 

I do wonder what is up with him not being at practice much of last week.

[michigancat]

Its hard to argue when it comes to actually winning games, Webb has been the most consistent over the last few years and I agree that Meier had a bunch of "almosts" like @ ku and CU a couple years ago.

And Dylan wouldn't have had an "almost" against CU if Webb hadn't completed that incredible 3rd and long from his own endzone to start a TD drive.

[Dan Rydell]

Webb's problem is 2004 @ ku.  I really think it begins and ends there.  There's a lot of KSU fans who will never forgive him for that performance, especially after Dylan's "comeback."

In truth, I don't think you need to look any further than Snyder to lay the blame for that ku loss.

Frankly, I think Webb has shown a good ability to make the type of passes (those 5-10 yard outs) that you're gonna see in the WCO.

[ksu_FAN]

Webb, Meier, and Evridge have all shown some solid ability in the short passing game outside the hashes.  We really don't know what we have throwing to the TE over the middle though, that's a different type of decision making and a different type of accuracy though IMO.  As I said above, an off throw to the outside bounces at a guys feet or goes out of bounds, an errant throw into the middle of the field is often a pick.  We'll see. 

While I agree that Webb doesn't deserve the criticism (and baggy, I'd go that the perception is the combination of FSU and ku that year) I will say that that last drive Meier led us on against CU with his shoulder held together by a string was pretty "nut up" for a QB.

I honestly think we have an open slate though this year with all starting from scratch and the best guy will shake out at the top.

[mjrod]

Snyder had great faith in Webb, but Webb was his own worst enemy.

When Webb took down Nebraska after the ku debacle, it was pretty clear that Webb could play into Snyder's offense.   The problem has been doing it consistently, and calling the right plays.  Of course, some poorly thrown balls, INT's and critical fumbles didn't help either.   Webb's play against OU last year showed how timid he could be against a team that really wasn't that much superior as the score woulld indicate.   Consistency is the key.  In the Mizzou game last year, Webb looked extremely crisp, and played with the drive many expected of him.

He's coming back to practice today.

[Dan Rydell]

Hmmm...yes, Webb might have a tendency to sail some of those passes over the middle, I suppose. 

A healthy Dylan has been a great Dylan.  I hope that he can get back to where he was, b/c I think he could be special.

[ksu_FAN]

I will say a couple of Webb's better throws that I remember were to a deep post over the middle out of our verticle passing game.  However, that's a lot different from threading a strike between a LB and a FS to Norwood across the middle.

[kougar24]

Black or not, Webb really is a f*cking dumbass. Trust me.

[KSt8er]

I think it has to do with being a qb at KSU and little more.  They've all been talked bad about by different fans, each with his own agenda.  I don't see race being a prevelant thread to any of it. 

I think the o-line play simply doomed whomever was back there against any talent on the other side.  No time to pass, no time to run leaves for one dead qb.  My only knock against Webb was how he seemed to tuck the ball, then stammer around in the pocket until dropped.  Whereas Everidge would run for his life, then get dropped.  Six of one, half a dozen of the other with our line.

[fatty fat fat]

Black or not, Webb really is a f*cking dumbass. Trust me.

observing him at a random party=not a good indicator

[WILDCAT NATION]

Webb's problem is 2004 @ ku.  I really think it begins and ends there.  There's a lot of KSU fans who will never forgive him for that performance, especially after Dylan's "comeback."

In truth, I don't think you need to look any further than Snyder to lay the blame for that ku loss.

Frankly, I think Webb has shown a good ability to make the type of passes (those 5-10 yard outs) that you're gonna see in the WCO.

I blame Dylan WAY more for that than I do Webb...the ultimate bitch move.

[Kat Kid]

Webb's problem is 2004 @ ku.  I really think it begins and ends there.  There's a lot of KSU fans who will never forgive him for that performance, especially after Dylan's "comeback."

In truth, I don't think you need to look any further than Snyder to lay the blame for that ku loss.

Frankly, I think Webb has shown a good ability to make the type of passes (those 5-10 yard outs) that you're gonna see in the WCO.

I blame Dylan WAY more for that than I do Webb...the ultimate bitch move.

Dylan may have pussed out for a half but how many time outs, false starts and delay of games did we have inside the ku 5 before the half?  That was absolutely what broke our back in that game.

[kougar24]

Black or not, Webb really is a f*cking dumbass. Trust me.

observing him at a random party=not a good indicator

observing him at a random party = not how I know he's a dumbass.

[sonofdaxjones]

I personally think that Webb should've been playing a lot more, particularly at Iowa  State and at NU.   AE stunk in those games.

[Kat Kid]

I personally think that Webb should've been playing a lot more, particularly at Iowa  State and at NU.   AE stunk in those games.

Yes.

[opcat]

Webb was getting at the end.

 

[Jeffrey_Martin]

Allen Webb got a raw deal under Bill Snyder. He was hurt for most of last season, but Bill kept trotting him out there, the only healthy AND experienced QB on the roster. At Marshall, you could see Allen couldn't run or move the way he's capable, but he was out on the field anyway. The Wildcats would win, but the first thing Bill would harp on afterwards was the mistake(s) Allen made. What a joke. And to think, in the last game of the year, the game to send Bill out a winner, who comes in for the save? Allen. Ain't that a bitch?

[michigancat]

I totally agree that Webb got screwed over, but the only player Snyder wouldn't point out mistakes for (until recently) was Darren Sproles.  Bishop could throw for 250, run for 150, KSU could win by 40, and Snyder could have bad things to say about him after the game.

[fatty fat fat]

Jeff needs to read this. (ksu football history)

http://espn.go.com/abcsports/s/flashback/1998big12championshipgame.html

[mjrod]

Allen Webb got a raw deal under Bill Snyder. He was hurt for most of last season, but Bill kept trotting him out there, the only healthy AND experienced QB on the roster. At Marshall, you could see Allen couldn't run or move the way he's capable, but he was out on the field anyway. The Wildcats would win, but the first thing Bill would harp on afterwards was the mistake(s) Allen made. What a joke. And to think, in the last game of the year, the game to send Bill out a winner, who comes in for the save? Allen. Ain't that a bitch?

I had heard it as a rumor he was injured.  What was injured?

If that's the case, then I can understand why he was having problems.  He was the perfect mold for Snyder's offense.

[Dan Rydell]

Wow...Jeff brings it strong.

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