RB's in a Pro set. Opinions?

[Purrrple]

Being that RP is an NFL guy, I'm surprised he doesn't use a pro set with both the general and JJ both in the backfield at the same time. Both of these guys can catch a ball. It seems to me that an o-coordiantor could use a lot of wrinkles to keep the D's guessing. Swing passes to JJ last year were almost always successful for good yardage and then they wouldn't even try it in some games.

Any thoughts?

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

I believe it has been reported that during the spring practice there were some times when both were in the backfield.

[ksu_FAN]

I think we'll see them both in some, but Prince/Franklin seem to really like playing with 2 TEs as well.  If you put another RB on the field, you have to take someone else off and that will effect the scheme.  Probably good to keep the options open, but I anticipate seeing some sets with Johnson and Patton on the field at the same time.  Could be more stuff with one or the other split; see Johnson's TD vs UT from the slot.

[JTKSU]

I think much of the reason we used double TE sets last year was our poor blocking up front.  Adding another blocker was almost a requirement for us at times.  Most NFL teams rarely, if ever, use two TE sets.  Also, the lack of a true FB also hurt us last year.  I see us converting a TE to FB (Pooschke?) if none of the FB/HB types step forward.  One thing we do have is numerous options at TE, with Norwood and Mastrud being better receivers than blockers, and Pooschke being a better blocker.  (I see that he is also working out at long snapper.)

[ksu_FAN]

Actually, 2 TE sets are an increasing trend the last few years in the NFL.  Quite a few teams used them last year.  I think we'll continue to see it this year quite a bit at KSU, especially with the talent we have at the position.  Essentually a TE replaces a FB and gives us more (different) options than an offense that utilizes a FB.

[JTKSU]

Actually, 2 TE sets are an increasing trend the last few years in the NFL.  Quite a few teams used them last year.  I think we'll continue to see it this year quite a bit at KSU, especially with the talent we have at the position.  Essentually a TE replaces a FB and gives us more (different) options than an offense that utilizes a FB.

I said MOST teams RARELY use it, and I was correct in that.  However, that article did say that the Parcells coaching tree is among the teams incorporating it into their sets, and Prince does fall under that umbrella.  You're probably right, I do see us using it again this year.  However, I think if a good FB/HB candidate steps up, we may use it less than last year.

[Kat Kid]

unbalanced double TE to one side/weak or strong I/single set/single set TE or FB for 3rd down passing

I like these to create matchup purposes and as alternatives to the Pro Set, because running out of the Pro Set is an entirely different beast than running out of the I.  The running back has much less time to read his blocks and hit the hole in the Pro, there is much more time for a defense to key on any lead blocking as the backer has to go all the way across the backfield.  The good parts is it is useful in picking up blitzes as the backers can step up and wrap around the outside of the pocket allowing the tackles to force the DEs really wide and track back to cut off a cutback between the backer and the T.  It has patton out wide already (see Reggie Bush) and having him on the perimeter matched up on a linebacker is an appealing matchup for checkoffs/screens and quick passes to the flats.

It is a mixed bag, but I tend to think that from a purely rushing standpoint it is a bad thing and from a passing/catering to Patton standpoint it is probably a good thing.

[catinthehat]

"Being that RP is an NFL guy"

by that, do you mean he watches nfl football?  I guess that makes me a nfl guy to then, and my barber and the guy that watches my dog when I am out of town

[Poopley]

Patton BLOWS at catching the ball. It's the biggest knock on the kid.

[catinthehat]

"However, that article did say that the Parcells coaching tree is among the teams incorporating it into their sets, and Prince does fall under that umbrella"

I wasn't aware they allowed minority relaitions interns in on gameplanning sessions in the NFL.

[JTKSU]

"However, that article did say that the Parcells coaching tree is among the teams incorporating it into their sets, and Prince does fall under that umbrella"

I wasn't aware they allowed minority relaitions interns in on gameplanning sessions in the NFL.

Al Groh is the head coach at Virginia, and Prince was his offensive coordiantor.  Also, if you are making fun of someone's position within an NFL franchise, it would be nice if you, yourself, held a job which was of equal or higher esteem than the job in question.  Or, if you knew how to spell "relations."  Just because you have never had "relations" with a female doesn't mean you couldn't at least consult a dictionary.



Parcells has had extraordinary success in grooming his assistant coaches for eventual head coaching positions of their own. As of 2006, former Parcells assistants who are currently head coaches in either the NFL or the college ranks include:

Bill Belichick, New England Patriots
Tom Coughlin, New York Giants
Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints
Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns
Eric Mangini, New York Jets
Al Groh, University of Virginia
Charlie Weis, University of Notre Dame
In addition, Parcells disciple Ray Handley served as head coach for the New York Giants from 1991 through 1992, and Al Groh and Chris Palmer served as head coaches of the New York Jets and Cleveland Browns, respectively, at one time.

Parcells, Belichick, Coughlin, Payton, and Mangini all were able to guide their respective teams into the 2006 playoffs, accounting for nearly half of the post-season field.

[Pittcat]

Patton BLOWS at catching the ball. It's the biggest knock on the kid.

Then we just won't throw it to him at first, work with him during practice, and about midway through the season when no one covers him since he hasn't been thrown to all year, we dump it over the LB's to him and he's gone.  Could it happen?

[coitus]

Patton BLOWS at catching the ball. It's the biggest knock on the kid.

Then we just won't throw it to him at first, work with him during practice, and about midway through the season when no one covers him since he hasn't been thrown to all year, we dump it over the LB's to him and he's gone.  Could it happen?

reminds me of how snyder used to open up the 5,624,893,127 page playbook halfway through the season.

[Pittcat]

Patton BLOWS at catching the ball. It's the biggest knock on the kid.

Then we just won't throw it to him at first, work with him during practice, and about midway through the season when no one covers him since he hasn't been thrown to all year, we dump it over the LB's to him and he's gone.  Could it happen?

reminds me of how snyder used to open up the 5,624,893,127 page playbook halfway through the season.

Exactly.   

[F-BuckFiddy]

The two-TE set is now a common method for opening up the run between the tackles.  Adding a second TE forces the DEs to play wider, then you just attack the defense's weakness.  If the DTs slide out, you go right up the middle.  If the DTs stay tight and the DEs slide outside the TEs, you attack off-tackle. 

JJ and the General did play in the backfield during the ku game last year, but that was only because we had no other options with any speed- unless you consider a one-legged Jordy Nelson fast.

[ksuno1stunner]

"Being that RP is an NFL guy"

by that, do you mean he watches nfl football?  I guess that makes me a nfl guy to then, and my barber and the guy that watches my dog when I am out of town

Don't be a tard.  He tries to incorporate an NFL style of football.

[Pittcat]

"Being that RP is an NFL guy"

by that, do you mean he watches nfl football?  I guess that makes me a nfl guy to then, and my barber and the guy that watches my dog when I am out of town

Hey, it's time to be ultra-literal!  Moron, RP being an NFL guy, implies that he incorportates pro-style offensive and defensive sets.