How much talent does Bill Self/ku need to make the Final Four?

[coitus]

add walker at #8 and pittman at #82 for ut, and my point still stands.

and you're still a moron, you're just getting better at proving it.

ut - 15,29, 82
ksu - 8, 72*, 80

*old ass ranking

which incoming ksu frosh is going to match augustin's numbers?  jame's numbers?

if you believe they're comparable, then you have an answer to that question.  let's hear it.

[michigancat]

ut - 15,29, 82
ksu - 8, 72*, 80

I'd say that's comparable, especially when you already know #82 is a 3 ppg lardass.

Looking at those six numbers and definitively saying one group is far superior to another is about as stupid as it gets, though.

[yosh]

ut - 15,29, 82
ksu - 8, 72*, 80

I'd say that's comparable, especially when you already know #82 is a 3 ppg lardass.

Looking at those six numbers and definitively saying one group is far superior to another is about as stupid as it gets, though.

Rusty gets it.  My point was based on looking at UT going into this year vs. Looking at KSU going into next year.  UT returned one of their top six. (the sixth a reserve avg. 6ppg)  KSU returns 3 of the top 6 (including the second highest scorer and a all conference guy).  I said that when throwing out Beasely and Durant, top three newcomers for each team were comparible.  Which they are since Walker was better than anyone they had, and our third guy was RSCI top 100 while theirs was not.  I never said a word a Pullen.  I don't know where that came from.  I think Coitus is just upset about the "Hoskins can't play on the perimeter thread"  and was waiting to find something to attack me about.  Obviously you can't make a valid comparison with a team that has played a season against a team that is only on paper so far.  If you knew nothing about what happened for UT this season, and just looked at both teams on paper, K-State's is better.

[ksu_FAN]

So does Self have "too much" talent to run his system?  He seemed to do "better" at Tulsa and even Illinois with less talent as far as living up to seeding/expectations goes IMO.

[coitus]

ut - 15,29, 82
ksu - 8, 72*, 80

I'd say that's comparable, especially when you already know #82 is a 3 ppg lardass.

Looking at those six numbers and definitively saying one group is far superior to another is about as stupid as it gets, though.

that's why you're a moron.  and you're continuing to ignore the following:

pg:
14.4ppg
44% on 3pters
6.7 apg


pf:
7.6 ppg
7.2 rpg

you know that's what this team needs in a huge way, but if you admit it, you know your entire point about the classes being comparable falls apart.

odds are that pullen/sutton will not even start.  heck, it's not out of the realm of possibility that evans will not start either.

i would trade pullen/brown/sutton/evans for augustin and james in terms of talent.  in a heartbeat.  that's an absolute stud pg and a legit pf, both already proven at d1a.

this place is turning into powertard central.

enjoy sucking yosh's balls.


fan - self did better at tulsa and illinois because no one brings the 'a' game against those two.

[michigancat]

i would trade pullen/brown/sutton/evans for augustin and james in terms of talent.  in a heartbeat. 

I would too.  Why do you keep ignoring Walker?

[catzacker]

So does Self have "too much" talent to run his system?  He seemed to do "better" at Tulsa and even Illinois with less talent as far as living up to seeding/expectations goes IMO.

My perception of ku (and I'm sure some bird will say otherwise), I"m not sure ku under Self has a true identity/system.  At Illinois they seemed to have an identity.  When he was at Illinois, they seemed to be a much more physical team and ran like 8-10 guys at ku and beat them up and really worked the high/low.