We are seriously going to be Baylor in a few years

[Cat Maniac]

we're in better shape than when snyder left, christ that guy ran the program into the ground.

You won't be saying that at the end of this season...

Just sayin'...

[Kat Kid]

Mj, that is a ridiculous interpretation of the argument.

[cireksu]

we're in better shape than when snyder left, christ that guy ran the program into the ground.

You won't be saying that at the end of this season...

Just sayin'...

I think we could be better as a team than last year and in goog shape heading into 09 but not neccessarily have the wins to show for it.  If we win 4 maybe 5 games and are competitive in most of them I'll feel great about next year and might even meltdown a little if we are mediocre again.

[mjrod]

Mj, that is a ridiculous interpretation of the argument.

Tapout noted.

[cireksu]

consistant top 25 teams recruit in the top 30 every year, consistant top 10 teams recruit in the top 15-20 nearly every year.

I don't think that you need to recruit top 10-25 every year to be successful, because in the end only 11 guys are on the field at one time but you need to do it every other year to stay close to the top 25.

the last several years the winner of the big 12 North has been in the top 10-20 in the polls.  Don't know where their recruiting has been since 02/03 though.

[michigancat]

Well, I think this is an appropriate time to bump this.

The reason the team sucks is because our recruiting sucks.  It really isn't more complicated than that.

[ksu_FAN]

Well, I think this is an appropriate time to bump this.

The reason the team sucks is because our recruiting sucks.  It really isn't more complicated than that.

But Bill Snyder... diamonds in the rough... etc.

[catzacker]

Recruiting is the source problem, but as far as the defense goes, I still blame the 3-4 for making the recruiting even tougher and the play even worse. 

[ksu_FAN]

Recruiting is the source problem, but as far as the defense goes, I still blame the 3-4 for making the recruiting even tougher and the play even worse. 

The 3-4 is probably part of it, but when you are as unsound with assignments, can't tackle, and can't cover it really doesn't matter what scheme we run.  I honestly don't think we'd be any better in another scheme. 

[michigancat]

Recruiting is the source problem, but as far as the defense goes, I still blame the 3-4 for making the recruiting even tougher and the play even worse. 

The 3-4 is probably part of it, but when you are as unsound with assignments, can't tackle, and can't cover it really doesn't matter what scheme we run.  I honestly don't think we'd be any better in another scheme. 

Yeah, when we ran that "Tampa 2" there were a lot of games where it seems like teams could run through gigantic holes with no one close by to tackle them and there would be wide open receivers all over the place.  That probably worries me more than missed open field tackles.  I think we'd see sh*tty defense no matter what the scheme.

[ksu_FAN]

Recruiting is the source problem, but as far as the defense goes, I still blame the 3-4 for making the recruiting even tougher and the play even worse. 

The 3-4 is probably part of it, but when you are as unsound with assignments, can't tackle, and can't cover it really doesn't matter what scheme we run.  I honestly don't think we'd be any better in another scheme. 

Yeah, when we ran that "Tampa 2" there were a lot of games where it seems like teams could run through gigantic holes with no one close by to tackle them and there would be wide open receivers all over the place.  That probably worries me more than missed open field tackles.  I think we'd see sh*tty defense no matter what the scheme.

The sad thing is that both schemes had an illusion of being "good" early, but after a few games when opponents figured it out (besides Mack Brown and staff) we got regularly torched.  I suppose there was this hope that young coordinators could at least recruit and they'd learn on the job with a few growing pains.  But more and more we look like a staff that few HS kids will buy what we sell and then when it comes to gameplans and adjustments we are in over our heads.  After a while if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck its got to be a duck.

[catzacker]

I think there is talent on this defense.  And I think it is better suited for a 4-3. Given that, I think it'd perform better.  We don't have the LB's for a 3-4, we barely have them for a 4-3.  The fact that we are in a 3-4 only makes it worse.  And it only makes recruiting players who could make it better more difficult.  The 3-4 breeds (more so than the 4-3) a lack of discipline.  Or at least how it's being "taught".  I think the 4-3 would be better than the 3-4 and when you're a team like KSU, maybe the amount of that "betterness" might make a difference between beating NU/ISU at home or losing to them. 

[mjrod]

Coaching is the issue.

Defensively, if you cannot learn how to get our of your blocks, how to move your man out of the way, TACKLE, then five star kids who can't be coached will not win you games.

I don't think recruiting is going to fix the basic problems of fundamentals coaching.   Watch Nebraska teams vs. last year.. Callahan had major talent, but he was and had horrible coaches.

Pelini's teams look better coached.

[KSt8er]

When it was 4th and 2 for them and we lined up in a 3-4, LB's off the line 3 yards, I gave up on this staff just on frackin principle.  Rediculous crap right there. 

[Kat Kid]

TTT

Cannot be resurrected enough.