did you think it would be this easy?

[catzacker]

Frank wasn't left scraps.  He wasn't part of some "new" staff that came in.  He knew he was going to have to play the '09/10 season without two NBA'ers (if he didn't he's f*cking stupid), yet all he got to weather the storm of this year was Awaji and Abdul (who's f'ing gone now).  Comparing everything to Wooly is great at all, but it's kind of like being happy we won 5 games in football this year because we didn't win that many games from '85-'89 combined.  Where Wooly left us isn't where we should be at considering that the North is the worst it's probably ever been.  No NIT this year would be beyond disappointing.  Because if these piles of dogsh*t can't muster the NIT, then f*ck it, fire Frank and start over because adding Judge and McGruder and Kelly isn't going to help Jake or Fred or Ron or Sutton if they suck this bad.  Those HS additions aren't that great that they'll be that impactful until they are juniors (which is when Jake and Co will be gone). 

[fatty fat fat]

Frank wasn't left scraps.  He wasn't part of some "new" staff that came in.  He knew he was going to have to play the '09/10 season without two NBA'ers (if he didn't he's f*cking stupid), yet all he got to weather the storm of this year was Awaji and Abdul (who's f'ing gone now).  Comparing everything to Wooly is great at all, but it's kind of like being happy we won 5 games in football this year because we didn't win that many games from '85-'89 combined.  Where Wooly left us isn't where we should be at considering that the North is the worst it's probably ever been.  No NIT this year would be beyond disappointing.  Because if these piles of dogsh*t can't muster the NIT, then f*ck it, fire Frank and start over because adding Judge and McGruder and Kelly isn't going to help Jake or Fred or Ron or Sutton if they suck this bad.  Those additions are that great that they'll be that impactful until they are juniors (which is when Jake and Co will be gone). 

hahaha. you were doing well until you started melting down about the future. what do you expect w/a new coaching regime? Frank will probaly go 6-10 this year, to go to 20-20 overall for his career. He will probably go 9-7 the next year and 10-6 after that. Sorry dude, but I cannot ask for more than that.

And having zero from the 06 and 05 classes doesn't help either.

[catzacker]

Frank wasn't left scraps.  He wasn't part of some "new" staff that came in.  He knew he was going to have to play the '09/10 season without two NBA'ers (if he didn't he's f*cking stupid), yet all he got to weather the storm of this year was Awaji and Abdul (who's f'ing gone now).  Comparing everything to Wooly is great at all, but it's kind of like being happy we won 5 games in football this year because we didn't win that many games from '85-'89 combined.  Where Wooly left us isn't where we should be at considering that the North is the worst it's probably ever been.  No NIT this year would be beyond disappointing.  Because if these piles of dogsh*t can't muster the NIT, then f*ck it, fire Frank and start over because adding Judge and McGruder and Kelly isn't going to help Jake or Fred or Ron or Sutton if they suck this bad.  Those additions are that great that they'll be that impactful until they are juniors (which is when Jake and Co will be gone). 

hahaha. you were doing well until you started melting down about the future. what do you expect w/a new coaching regime? Frank will probaly go 6-10 this year, to go to 20-20 overall for his career. He will probably go 9-7 the next year and 10-6 after that. Sorry dude, but I cannot ask for more than that.

And having zero from the 06 and 05 classes doesn't help either.

this team will not be 3 games better next year.  and that's my point.  if the players suck this bad, then there's no hope because Wally and Rodney aren't that good.  And Kelly?  Who the f knows about him.  UConn didn't fight to keep him at all.  They said good riddance.  And, as you said earlier, other teams aren't just sitting around either. 

this isn't a "new" regime.  they didn't have to pick up pieces, they didn't have to scramble for recruiting purposes, they were already in place. 

[sys]

it's perfectly fine to blame martin for recruiting crap in '08.  and for helping huggins recruit crap in the spring of '07.


not rational to blame him for not coaching up the crap players he has.

[fatty fat fat]

this team will not be 3 games better next year.  and that's my point.  if the players suck this bad, then there's no hope because Wally and Rodney aren't that good.  And Kelly?  Who the f knows about him.  UConn didn't fight to keep him at all.  They said good riddance.  And, as you said earlier, other teams aren't just sitting around either. 

Well, I think they've earned the right to see what happens next year.

this isn't a "new" regime.  they didn't have to pick up pieces, they didn't have to scramble for recruiting purposes, they were already in place. 

maybe, but the 05 and 06 recruiting classes were complete disasters. 05 and 06 weren't the fault of martin, but whatever. i guess you can blame 06 on him.  

[wildcats92]

it's perfectly fine to blame martin for recruiting crap in '08.  and for helping huggins recruit crap in the spring of '07.


not rational to blame him for not coaching up the crap players he has.

Yeah ...Doc had some really great talent on his team...so with that rationality I guess Nebraska had three 5 star recruits playing at all times.

[catzacker]

it's perfectly fine to blame martin for recruiting crap in '08.  and for helping huggins recruit crap in the spring of '07.


not rational to blame him for not coaching up the crap players he has.

this is what I'm pissed at.  thanks sys.  the "coaching" is fairly irrelevant.  

[sys]

Yeah ...Doc had some really great talent on his team...so with that rationality I guess Nebraska had three 5 star recruits playing at all times.

dude, have you never watched big 12 bball?  crap road team always loses to crap home team.  you have to have, like, two levels of talent higher than the home team to win on the road.

[catzacker]

it's perfectly fine to blame martin for recruiting crap in '08.  and for helping huggins recruit crap in the spring of '07.


not rational to blame him for not coaching up the crap players he has.

Yeah ...Doc had some really great talent on his team...so with that rationality I guess Nebraska had three 5 star recruits playing at all times.

Yeah, the University of Underwater Seafishing in Baltimore Maryland (or whatever f'd up name team beat them that sucks) was just loaded with talent.  Doc was a genius then.

When NU comes to Manhattan and gets waxed, Doc will look stupid.  

[steve dave]

it's perfectly fine to blame martin for recruiting crap in '08.  and for helping huggins recruit crap in the spring of '07.


not rational to blame him for not coaching up the crap players he has.

If I knew how to properly utilize my powers as an admin (I don't) I would make this the sig of every post of every poster.

[wildcats92]

Yeah ...Doc had some really great talent on his team...so with that rationality I guess Nebraska had three 5 star recruits playing at all times.

dude, have you never watched big 12 bball?  crap road team always loses to crap home team.  you have to have, like, two levels of talent higher than the home team to win on the road.

Yeah right...it still comes down to not throwing the ball away or dribbling it off your foot.   And I suppose you guard the back door layups diffently at home vs the road...It seems that Frank had no idea what to expect going into that game.
You dont get beat by 20 on the road by a pathetic team unless you are not prepared.  And who is in charge of getting the team prepared

[sys]

You dont get beat by 20 on the road by a pathetic team unless you are not prepared.

yeah, no question.  the mov should have been less.

[chum1]

What about the way Martin talks?

[steve dave]

What about the way Martin talks?

He could do something about that, no question.  Embarrassing.

[sys]

i like the way he talks.  no change needed.

[steve dave]

i like the way he talks.  no change needed.

I don't.  I like the way Doc talks.  Just different tastes I guess.

[Kat Kid]

Question:  Did anyone actually watch the whole game?  If you could dot that you must not do this during games.

[steve dave]

Question:  Did anyone actually watch the whole game?  If you could dot that you must not do this during games.

Yes.  Sat through the entire thing.  Soaked it all in.  Second half was very relaxing because the outcome was determined.  Got to mingle with the townys and whatnot. 

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Did you think it would be this easy.... let me point out the irony.

Huggins was a get rich quick hire. He jilted you in a year and in the following get rich quick scheme ksu hired his henchmen. Too quick to have actually given legitimate thought to any other candidates. Both times all we see are ksu fans singing praises of their new coaches. Both times every other fanbase in the world was laughing.

Now, after large quantities of failure, you're finally coming to the realization that it wasn't quite going to be that easy. As if you weren't saying otherwise previously. Martin was supposed to be a damn good coach with outstanding recruiting. That was the groupthink at the time. It was 'the best possible hire at this point.'

/golfclap

[catzacker]

Did you think it would be this easy.... let me point out the irony.

Huggins was a get rich quick hire. He jilted you in a year and in the following get rich quick scheme ksu hired his henchmen. Too quick to have actually given legitimate thought to any other candidates. Both times all we see are ksu fans singing praises of their new coaches. Both times every other fanbase in the world was laughing.

Now, after large quantities of failure, you're finally coming to the realization that it wasn't quite going to be that easy. As if you weren't saying otherwise previously. Martin was supposed to be a damn good coach with outstanding recruiting. That was the groupthink at the time. It was 'the best possible hire at this point.'

/golfclap

incredibly revisionist.  and it really doesn't take into consideration what the program would look like right now (worse than CU) if we didn't hire Martin.  The alternatives to hiring Martin are in Columbia, Ames, Boulder, and Lincoln right now. 

[steve dave]

Interesting stat:  Frank Martin has one more NCAA tourney win than the Nebrasketball program all time.