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May 15, 2009, 08:22:31 AM
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Why do you think he is not athletic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKWLq7szeDM

he does nothing in that clip to suggest he's athletic
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May 15, 2009, 09:12:55 AM
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I think what sys was trying to say is that Cartier and Mitchell were very similar athletes.  However, Cartier had a shot.  Now take the shot away from him and you have Mitchell.  Do you think Cartier would have been top 100 w/o his shot? 

Yeah.  low top 100, but he was really athletic before injuries.  way more athletic than mitchell based on the 2 minutes of clips I've seen.

May 15, 2009, 09:29:08 AM
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You are contradicting yourself. Cartier was rated 50ish and you are downplaying Mitchell, yet saying you think Mitchell could be roughly equivalent to Cartier but are also suggesting Mitchell could not be around the 100 range.

I agree that Cartier was probably ahead skillwise if that is a code word for shooting. Looking at that clip, though (which, admittedly is a very small sample size), it appears Mitchell runs better, jumps better and handles the ball better than Martin.

no.  i'm saying that mitchell appears to have a similar frame, athletic ability and style as martin.  hence he could someday, maybe, be as good as martin.  that is his upper limit (upside).  but martin was a much better player at the same stage, because he had better skills.  hence he was a top 50 (barely) recruit, whereas mitchell is prob. somewhere in the 150-200 range.

disagree that mitchell runs, jumps and handles better than martin.  would say the reverse is true.  mitchell looks longer though.  and to be fair, i think i only saw martin as a hs senior, not a hs junior.

mitchell would be a much better recruit, imo if he gets another inch and some weight and develops a post game.  better a highly skilled smallish 4 rather than a stiff, slow tall 3. 
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

May 15, 2009, 10:12:28 AM
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he was really athletic before injuries.  way more athletic than mitchell based on the 2 minutes of clips I've seen.

i love this particular bit of ksu mythology.  which injury was it again that ended his athleticism, the sprained ankle, the stress fracture or the cut finger?
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

May 15, 2009, 10:14:15 AM
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he was really athletic before injuries.  way more athletic than mitchell based on the 2 minutes of clips I've seen.

i love this particular bit of ksu mythology.  which injury was it again that ended his athleticism, the sprained ankle, the stress fracture or the cut finger?

stress facture.  He might have started smoking weed and gotten lazy then, too. 

May 15, 2009, 10:18:39 AM
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he was really athletic before injuries.  way more athletic than mitchell based on the 2 minutes of clips I've seen.

i love this particular bit of ksu mythology.  which injury was it again that ended his athleticism, the sprained ankle, the stress fracture or the cut finger?

Maybe it was the highlights from HS; but I know seeing them he looked like a very athletic player.  Much more so than he ended up being, and yes I do think the stress fracture probably had something to do with it.  But again, it could have been the cuts they showed.

May 15, 2009, 10:32:46 AM
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yeah, i think it was the hs highlights editor.  i've never heard of any other player (or random human) who experienced reduced athleticism as a side effect of a stress fracture.


the farthest i'll go is accepting that is that he probably didn't like to jump as much after the stress fracked foot.
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

May 15, 2009, 10:33:03 AM
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don't forget about tendinitis, sys

http://cjonline.com/login.shtml?orq:http://catzone.cjonline.com/stories/010105/cat_martin.shtml

And I'm going off seeing him play college games pre-stress facture.  I'm guessing he had more dunks the first half of his freshman year than he did the rest of his career.

May 15, 2009, 10:38:21 AM
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don't forget about tendinitis, sys

http://cjonline.com/login.shtml?orq:http://catzone.cjonline.com/stories/010105/cat_martin.shtml

And I'm going off seeing him play college games pre-stress facture.  I'm guessing he had more dunks the first half of his freshman year than he did the rest of his career.

i don't really know what tendonitis is, but i'm going assume that it also doesn't impact athleticism.


i'm sticking with this

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he probably didn't like to jump as much

plus increased confidence in his shot.
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

May 15, 2009, 10:46:27 AM
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Anytime you see a highlight of a guy throwing off the backboard to himself for a dunk in a game, you think he's a pretty good athlete. 

But the reasons you all said probably had something to do with it as well.

And perhaps Wooly coached him to be less athletic.

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May 15, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
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Why do you think he is not athletic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKWLq7szeDM

he does nothing in that clip to suggest he's athletic (note to bmw, when people on big 12 bball boards discuss if a given person is athletic it can be assume that the reference point is other big 12 bball players of about the same size).  i'd love to send someone to beat the crap out of whoever convinced the gpc retard set that mitchell is some sort of super athlete.

he has cartier martin/josh carter upside, but he is well behind where martin was as a recruit skillswise.  i never heard of or saw carter as a recruit, but i'd guess he's roughly equivalent.


he needs to prove he can shoot.

You are contradicting yourself. Cartier was rated 50ish and you are downplaying Mitchell, yet saying you think Mitchell could be roughly equivalent to Cartier but are also suggesting Mitchell could not be around the 100 range.

I agree that Cartier was probably ahead skillwise if that is a code word for shooting. Looking at that clip, though (which, admittedly is a very small sample size), it appears Mitchell runs better, jumps better and handles the ball better than Martin.

I think what sys was trying to say is that Cartier and Mitchell were very similar athletes.  However, Cartier had a shot.  Now take the shot away from him and you have Mitchell.  Do you think Cartier would have been top 100 w/o his shot? 

To answer your question directly, no, I doubt Cartier could not be a top 100 with his Dom Sutton's shot.  However, he also is assuming that they are similar athletes.  I am not convinced with the similar athlete theory, though.

There seems to be some opinion that Mitchell can't shoot. Is there some credible information that I am not aware of in that regard?

May 15, 2009, 10:53:58 AM
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don't remember cartier looking all that different his freshman year vs his senior year.

do remember ski looking much more athletic before his injury (whatever it was). that injury turned him from a guy who would drive the lane and do some pretty athletic stuff once he got there to an elementary school P.E. teacher playing horse with the janitor in between classes.
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May 15, 2009, 11:02:02 AM
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There seems to be some opinion that Mitchell can't shoot. Is there some credible information that I am not aware of in that regard?

Little info either way.  I'm taking your path and am going to assume this d00d can absolutely kill it from 3 until someone proves otherwise, I mean, nobody has shown me any clips of him tossing up airballs or needing the assitance of a cane to walk.

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May 15, 2009, 11:18:42 AM
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There seems to be some opinion that Mitchell can't shoot. Is there some credible information that I am not aware of in that regard?

Little info either way.  I'm taking your path and am going to assume this d00d can absolutely kill it from 3 until someone proves otherwise, I mean, nobody has shown me any clips of him tossing up airballs or needing the assitance of a cane to walk.

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May 17, 2009, 01:27:36 PM
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wasn't meyer the guy to have that bs yearby quote too?

bob gibbons.

thanks. still don't trust a basketball player with the name of tony. guy sounds kinda like a circus clown. just imo.

its prob cause it reminds u too much of asbury/wooly days.  seems like there was always a tony on the team.