My Perspective About Prince

[steve dave]

What Bill was doing was not working when he lost talented assistants.  It's pretty much that simple.  What exacerbated the problem and expedited the fall was that those talented assistants stayed in conference and directly competed with Bill on the field and off of it.  Who gives a sh*t if Evridge is gone?  The only person that left with any talent was Schmidt.  And f*ck shorty and Rod Cole.  Christ, Bill came in and KSU was in last place in the conference, he left and we were 2nd to last....just one game a head of freaking Baylor.  I'm far from a Prince defender, but the only thing Prince had to work with when he came in were unrealistic expectations by moronic snyderites who thought that when Bill said the cupboards weren't bare that he was telling the truth.  

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[pissclams]

It's retarded to expect a new coach to try to do everything the way Snyder did.  Complaing about what offense or defense he runs is silly.  I don't care who quits, or who gets fired, or what "traditions" he keeps or gets rid of.  If he wins a national championship, he can ban Snyder from the stadium for all I care.  Win=good.  lose=bad.  Everything else is irrelevent.

q to the mother fracking t, homeboy, q to the mother fracking t.

^can anyone name the song? 

And a to the k - Cyp Hill

[ChicagoCat]

What Bill was doing was not working when he lost talented assistants.  It's pretty much that simple.  What exacerbated the problem and expedited the fall was that those talented assistants stayed in conference and directly competed with Bill on the field and off of it.  Who gives a sh*t if Evridge is gone?  The only person that left with any talent was Schmidt.  And f*ck shorty and Rod Cole.  Christ, Bill came in and KSU was in last place in the conference, he left and we were 2nd to last....just one game a head of freaking Baylor.  I'm far from a Prince defender, but the only thing Prince had to work with when he came in were unrealistic expectations by moronic snyderites who thought that when Bill said the cupboards weren't bare that he was telling the truth.  

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Comparisons to what Snyder inherited and Prince inherited are retarded.  I'm not saying the the team was loaded but it certainly wasn't what Snyder inherited.  Snyder had about no talent, no fans, and no tradition.  Ron inherited a little bit of all three.  I'm not a Prince fan, and I don't base it the fact that I think he inherited a great team and underachieved. 

I think most of the Prince hate comes from the lofty goals and the UT wins and momentum that get going somewhere in the season.  Then the collapse that follows.  Honestly, if the expectations didn't get raised by the Prince PR talk and the play of the team was more consistent, I wouldn't have a problem with the coach turnover or jacking lame traditions from other schools.  I would lead the Wildcat Walk, do the wildcat chant while playing my air guitar, and wave my power towel.  That said, I think inconsistency is a sign of coaching problems above all else.  Coaching turnover for anything other than a promotion is also a sign of issues.  These are what drive my Prince anger. 

I expect myself to be buying a shirt to match Trim's by the end of the season.

[tmramrod91]

All you really have to know about Prince is how badly he got destroyed by the worst NU football team of all time. 2 horrid teams that had given up on the season. Ron's team gave up more than Cally's. Thats saying something.

[catzacker]

What Bill was doing was not working when he lost talented assistants.  It's pretty much that simple.  What exacerbated the problem and expedited the fall was that those talented assistants stayed in conference and directly competed with Bill on the field and off of it.  Who gives a sh*t if Evridge is gone?  The only person that left with any talent was Schmidt.  And f*ck shorty and Rod Cole.  Christ, Bill came in and KSU was in last place in the conference, he left and we were 2nd to last....just one game a head of freaking Baylor.  I'm far from a Prince defender, but the only thing Prince had to work with when he came in were unrealistic expectations by moronic snyderites who thought that when Bill said the cupboards weren't bare that he was telling the truth.  

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Comparisons to what Snyder inherited and Prince inherited are retarded.  I'm not saying the the team was loaded but it certainly wasn't what Snyder inherited.  Snyder had about no talent, no fans, and no tradition.  Ron inherited a little bit of all three.  I'm not a Prince fan, and I don't base it the fact that I think he inherited a great team and underachieved. 

I think most of the Prince hate comes from the lofty goals and the UT wins and momentum that get going somewhere in the season.  Then the collapse that follows.  Honestly, if the expectations didn't get raised by the Prince PR talk and the play of the team was more consistent, I wouldn't have a problem with the coach turnover or jacking lame traditions from other schools.  I would lead the Wildcat Walk, do the wildcat chant while playing my air guitar, and wave my power towel.  That said, I think inconsistency is a sign of coaching problems above all else.  Coaching turnover for anything other than a promotion is also a sign of issues.  These are what drive my Prince anger. 

I expect myself to be buying a shirt to match Trim's by the end of the season.

I'm not comparing the "programs" that bill and ron inherited, rather just pointing out that bill left it in nearly the same conference standing.  KSU is in a better position to get out of the cellar compared to when bill took over, but that doesn't take away from how similarly bad this team is in relation to the rest of the conference.  The team ron got sucked and still sucks.  It was infested with no talented FP's. 

[Trim]

I expect myself to be buying a shirt to match Trim's by the end of the season.

 

[chum1]

The only thing I'd add is that Snyder was way behind the curve with the wishbone offense that he used to run.  It was good for OU in the 80s, but now we're playing catch up to Mike Leach with an old school option quarterback.  Physics 101.  Snyder should have come here when he was younger.  He would have had more energy to fire up the boys and his wishbone wouldn't have yet been outdated.  Plus, he would have been our coach for about ten more years and we probably could have had players like Ronnie Harmon and Darren Sproles Part I, Barry Sanders.  But, what the f*ck, man.  Live and learn, I guess.

[snyderfanatic]

I am one of those "moronic Snyderites" who will defend Coach Snyder right to the very end. It is puzzling and sad that in order to come up with reasons why our program is in such a mess (Last time I checked this is Ron Prince year 3 approaching) that some choose to tarnish the legacy and throw the greatest coach in the history of K-State under the bus to make the current regime look not so bad. The Snyder blasters do suck at life and are sports retards.

[sonofdaxjones]

Well, you gotta admit in 3 of LSnyder's 5 final years, things weren't exactly good. 

[snyderfanatic]

Not up to the lofty standard that was set, but the pieces (very young team in 2004 and 2005) to make a run in 2006, 2007. The Snyder great teams always had seasoned QB's and experience in other spots. I still say if we would have beat NU (lost by 2) in week 10 of the '05 season that Coach Snyder stays on and we beat Mizzou and go to a bowl. 2006 North Champs and Coach Snyder would still be in place. Can't change history, so we gotta go on. It does severely tick me off that some are disrespecting Coach Snyder so much. 

[catzacker]

I am one of those "moronic Snyderites" who will defend Coach Snyder right to the very end. It is puzzling and sad that in order to come up with reasons why our program is in such a mess (Last time I checked this is Ron Prince year 3 approaching) that some choose to tarnish the legacy and throw the greatest coach in the history of K-State under the bus to make the current regime look not so bad. The Snyder blasters do suck at life and are sports retards.

you're the idiot fans I'm talking about who can't honestly assess where the program was/is at becuase it would mean saying negative, but true and factual, things about Bill.  you can't seperate between being grateful for the things Bill has done overall, but understand that he isn't/wasn't infallable.   he crashed the program he built.  crashed it.  went from big 12 champs to finishing ahead of f'ing baylor.   

[steve dave]

I am one of those "moronic Snyderites" who will defend Coach Snyder right to the very end. It is puzzling and sad that in order to come up with reasons why our program is in such a mess (Last time I checked this is Ron Prince year 3 approaching) that some choose to tarnish the legacy and throw the greatest coach in the history of K-State under the bus to make the current regime look not so bad. The Snyder blasters do suck at life and are sports retards.

you're the idiot fans I'm talking about who can't honestly assess where the program was/is at becuase it would mean saying negative, but true and factual, things about Bill.  you can't seperate between being grateful for the things Bill has done overall, but understand that he isn't/wasn't infallable.   he crashed the program he built.  crashed it.  went from big 12 champs to finishing ahead of f'ing baylor.   

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[tmramrod91]

I am one of those "moronic Snyderites" who will defend Coach Snyder right to the very end. It is puzzling and sad that in order to come up with reasons why our program is in such a mess (Last time I checked this is Ron Prince year 3 approaching) that some choose to tarnish the legacy and throw the greatest coach in the history of K-State under the bus to make the current regime look not so bad. The Snyder blasters do suck at life and are sports retards.

you're the idiot fans I'm talking about who can't honestly assess where the program was/is at becuase it would mean saying negative, but true and factual, things about Bill.  you can't seperate between being grateful for the things Bill has done overall, but understand that he isn't/wasn't infallable.   he crashed the program he built.  crashed it.  went from big 12 champs to finishing ahead of f'ing baylor.   

Snyder definately let the program down in the last few years of his tenure, but he didnt leave the cupboard as bare as some of you people believe to think.  He left multiple NFL draft picks on the roster. Where Snyder faultered was the OL and DL, which were always a staple of his great teams. That, and he simply didnt have the quality of asst. coaches that he had for so much of the run during the DOD, which killed recruiting.

[sonofdaxjones]

He also put the program at a decided disadvantage by being far to anal and hyper conservative on facility improvements.   The Powertards like to roll out the, "he just didn't want to take money away from other programs that needed facilities" BS . . . but reality is, he just didn't want to be bothered.

[steve dave]

The Powertards like to roll out the, "he just didn't want to take money away from other programs that needed facilities" BS . . . but reality is, he just didn't want to be bothered.

Good point...look at our amazing hoops practice facility.

[yoman]

Prince really isn't doing that bad of a job imo. listen before you slaughter me for being a prince supporter hear me out i'm far from being one but i'm not going to throw him under the bus because its the cool thing to do. Lets see in 2004 comming off a &@#%ing big 12 championship we went 4-7 in a lack-luster north. That's a big &@#%ing drop off but no one was calling for snyder's head for obvious reasons. in 2005 things didn't get much better at 5-6. Snyder retires. Ron Prince inherits a team that won 9 games and lost 13 in the past 2 years. He takes that team and adds his own QB and goes to a bowl game his first season. He takes essencialy the same team and wins 7 games and only loses 6. Not a record most k-state fans are used to thanks to the DOD but certainly good for a first year head coach. This year we were #24 and 3-1 heading into the ku game and we dominated them the first quarter. the game looked to be ours when we let them back into the game and they win. the next week we smoke colorado and move up to #25 at 4-2 not bad for a 2nd year head coach. The following week against Okie State we were up going into half time and everyone thought "Ron Pricne hasn't lost a game leading at half time this one is over" Okie comes back to win in the 4th. 4-3. Next week vs Baylor we hardly show up until the 2nd half but we still win and are at 5-3. But the Oklahoma State game, just like the season before where it saved our season on freemans game winning drive, changed our season completely and demolished it. and we finished 5-7. Now K-State fans are pissed because they were a top 25 team and didn't make a bowl but these things happen! every coach has a hick-up year. This year RP &@#%ed up! K-State fans got so pissed about it that Ron felt the pressure and went out and got 19 JUCO's not to mention he's rebuilding the SR and JR classes because he ran off most of Snyder's kids. It was very simmilar to 91-92 for K-State. 91 K-State won 7 ball games. 92 K-State only won 5. Then what happened? THE &@#%ING DOD! now am i saying Prince is about to have his own DOD? no but i do think he will get better

[sonofdaxjones]

The Powertards like to roll out the, "he just didn't want to take money away from other programs that needed facilities" BS . . . but reality is, he just didn't want to be bothered.

Good point...look at our amazing hoops practice facility.

In the time line and "politics" of things, one doesn't really have much to do with the other.

[ChicagoCat]

Prince really isn't doing that bad of a job imo. listen before you slaughter me for being a prince supporter hear me out i'm far from being one but i'm not going to throw him under the bus because its the cool thing to do. Lets see in 2004 comming off a fracking big 12 championship we went 4-7 in a lack-luster north. That's a big fracking drop off but no one was calling for snyder's head for obvious reasons. in 2005 things didn't get much better at 5-6. Snyder retires. Ron Prince inherits a team that won 9 games and lost 13 in the past 2 years. He takes that team and adds his own QB and goes to a bowl game his first season. He takes essencialy the same team and wins 7 games and only loses 6. Not a record most k-state fans are used to thanks to the DOD but certainly good for a first year head coach. This year we were #24 and 3-1 heading into the ku game and we dominated them the first quarter. the game looked to be ours when we let them back into the game and they win. the next week we smoke colorado and move up to #25 at 4-2 not bad for a 2nd year head coach. The following week against Okie State we were up going into half time and everyone thought "Ron Pricne hasn't lost a game leading at half time this one is over" Okie comes back to win in the 4th. 4-3. Next week vs Baylor we hardly show up until the 2nd half but we still win and are at 5-3. But the Oklahoma State game, just like the season before where it saved our season on freemans game winning drive, changed our season completely and demolished it. and we finished 5-7. Now K-State fans are pissed because they were a top 25 team and didn't make a bowl but these things happen! every coach has a hick-up year. This year RP fracked up! K-State fans got so pissed about it that Ron felt the pressure and went out and got 19 JUCO's not to mention he's rebuilding the SR and JR classes because he ran off most of Snyder's kids. It was very simmilar to 91-92 for K-State. 91 K-State won 7 ball games. 92 K-State only won 5. Then what happened? THE frackING DOD! now am i saying Prince is about to have his own DOD? no but i do think he will get better

This "almost" mindset is what got us more wooly.

[yoman]

Prince really isn't doing that bad of a job imo. listen before you slaughter me for being a prince supporter hear me out i'm far from being one but i'm not going to throw him under the bus because its the cool thing to do. Lets see in 2004 comming off a fracking big 12 championship we went 4-7 in a lack-luster north. That's a big fracking drop off but no one was calling for snyder's head for obvious reasons. in 2005 things didn't get much better at 5-6. Snyder retires. Ron Prince inherits a team that won 9 games and lost 13 in the past 2 years. He takes that team and adds his own QB and goes to a bowl game his first season. He takes essencialy the same team and wins 7 games and only loses 6. Not a record most k-state fans are used to thanks to the DOD but certainly good for a first year head coach. This year we were #24 and 3-1 heading into the ku game and we dominated them the first quarter. the game looked to be ours when we let them back into the game and they win. the next week we smoke colorado and move up to #25 at 4-2 not bad for a 2nd year head coach. The following week against Okie State we were up going into half time and everyone thought "Ron Pricne hasn't lost a game leading at half time this one is over" Okie comes back to win in the 4th. 4-3. Next week vs Baylor we hardly show up until the 2nd half but we still win and are at 5-3. But the Oklahoma State game, just like the season before where it saved our season on freemans game winning drive, changed our season completely and demolished it. and we finished 5-7. Now K-State fans are pissed because they were a top 25 team and didn't make a bowl but these things happen! every coach has a hick-up year. This year RP fracked up! K-State fans got so pissed about it that Ron felt the pressure and went out and got 19 JUCO's not to mention he's rebuilding the SR and JR classes because he ran off most of Snyder's kids. It was very simmilar to 91-92 for K-State. 91 K-State won 7 ball games. 92 K-State only won 5. Then what happened? THE frackING DOD! now am i saying Prince is about to have his own DOD? no but i do think he will get better

This "almost" mindset is what got us more wooly.

almost my ass. if were still sitting on 7 wins per season in 2 years Ron Prince can run out with Freeman on SR day because thats the last i want to see of him in Bill Snyder Family Stadium. However calling for a coaches head after year 2 is stupid. Fatty is right on atleast one thing who the &@#% would we hire? coaches wouldn't wanna come here if they knew they only had 2 years it'd be a coaching death trap. Just sit back and have a pepsi or a sam adams and enjoy the season. Good or Bad it should be an entertaining one

[snyderfanatic]

After reading some of these absurd posts, I truly believe we have some in the fanbase that do not like Coach Snyder or appreciate anything he did for
K-State. In retrospect maybe we should have let Stan Parrish crash the program totally and not worried about playing big time football.

[steve dave]

After reading some of these absurd posts, I truly believe we have some in the fanbase that do not like Coach Snyder or appreciate anything he did for
K-State. In retrospect maybe we should have let Stan Parrish crash the program totally and not worried about playing big time football.

In reading your posts, I truly believe you do not beleive Bill Snyder ever did anything that wasn't perfect in his life.  You do realize that the truth (just like in everthing else in the world ever) lies somewhere in the middle, right?

[yoman]

After reading some of these absurd posts, I truly believe we have some in the fanbase that do not like Coach Snyder or appreciate anything he did for
K-State. In retrospect maybe we should have let Stan Parrish crash the program totally and not worried about playing big time football.

i appericiate all of what snyder did for the university. Obviously he turned it around from crap to very good and almost great but do some math for me, and we're just going to take the last 2 years because its not like Prince came in right after the big 12 championship.
is it true that 5-7 > 4-7
and is it true that 7-6 > 5-6
Don't give me the bull crap that Prince inherited an experienced team that knew what it takes to win because they were practicing with the 03 team. Over half of the 04 team WAS THE 03 TEAM and went 4-7 so that argument goes out the window

[snyderfanatic]

Good point on your part. I am a Snyderfanatic and am not very flexible on the subject of Coach Snyder. Probably good, because it does offset some on this board. 

[The Nasti]

1 - Prince was not just a BCA hire - you are purely ignorant if you believe that.

2 - I'm in agreement with those that feel our top 15-20 home field advantage was not that when Prince took over. The failure to sell out the Bill for his last home game is proof positive that many K-Staters are just like other fans - bandwagoners.

3 - What worries me most about Prince is the coaching turnover. Is this a sign that he just cannot get along with people?

4 - The second most worrisome thing - the 2nd half collapse last season. Honestly, we looked like a top 25 team, for half the year, then we looked like the worst major conference team in the nation (at least on the defensive side of the ball).

5 - Snyder running the wishbone (as you referred to it) has NOTHING to do with our offense today. This was not the wishbone and was not out-dated. Rich Rodriguez sure got a nice gig running the same offense that Bill did.

6 - You gotta give Ron 5 years to prove his worth - unless of course he completely tanks, which I am doubting happens. I like the improvement in speed from Bill's last 2 years, now we just need to add some physicality - this needs to be improved this fall for me to feel that Ron is on the right track. Do I think this will happen?