JMart's Butler Interview (Re: Brown Bros.)

[BBF$$Cat]

Allow me to come the defense of the posters here:

These guys help me with my job. I'm sharper and more plugged in to what some K-State fans want. I've been fair with them, and they've been fair with me. I like it here, and I think they like me. It's a nice arrangement - and it's FREE. No one is paying for premium information, or at least I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about. Probably keeping them for himself.

As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.

Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others.  
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So basically you are saying Prince has been nasty to you, so that is why you write your articles with a slant. Your right then your professionalism needs work. I don't want homerism articles, but I do want all the sides/facts/situations/ put down so that I can make a decision from the article not have the decision persuaded to me by the way the article is written.

Hell lets all be honest if you had the skills of the Brown's where would you go to school,... be honest..., I am going where the talking heads love to pump. If they are pumping your team, your conference and you then you do not have to rely as much on your agent getting your name out. If your name has already been pumped the shoe deals, the gatorade deals, etc (the biotches) come calling because you already have name recignition. Can you accomplish this at KSU yes, would it be easier somewhere else most definitely, if you are thinking bank whatcha gonna do.

I think J-mart is only trying to keep us clinging for more on the Brown Harper situation, with "let it play out" , "A Brown is his own kinda kat", "KSU is doing everything right on Harper" verbage. He has the definite in on this one and he knows they out outty 5000.

Tell it all J-Mart!!

[FBWillie]

So basically you are saying Prince has been nasty to you, so that is why you write your articles with a slant. Your right then your professionalism needs work. I don't want homerism articles, but I do want all the sides/facts/situations/ put down so that I can make a decision from the article not have the decision persuaded to me by the way the article is written.

Hell lets all be honest if you had the skills of the Brown's where would you go to school,... be honest..., I am going where the talking heads love to pump. If they are pumping your team, your conference and you then you do not have to rely as much on your agent getting your name out. If your name has already been pumped the shoe deals, the gatorade deals, etc (the biotches) come calling because you already have name recignition. Can you accomplish this at KSU yes, would it be easier somewhere else most definitely, if you are thinking bank whatcha gonna do.

I think J-mart is only trying to keep us clinging for more on the Brown Harper situation, with "let it play out" , "A Brown is his own kinda kat", "KSU is doing everything right on Harper" verbage. He has the definite in on this one and he knows they out outty 5000.

Tell it all J-Mart!!

I don't think you are reading what J-mart is saying correctly.   How in the hell is he supposed to report what Prince's views and thoughts are if Prince won't talk to him... Speculation?  Doing that would amplify whatever bias Jeffrey has.  I believe him when he says that he is reporting what he is hearing.  It sounds biased because he can only get the story from the people pissed at prince.  WHEN HE GETS A REBUTTAL FROM PRINCE only then will his reporting not seem biased. 

 

[ChicoRodriguez]

I don't want homerism articles, but I do want all the sides/facts/situations/ put down so that I can make a decision from the article not have the decision persuaded to me by the way the article is written.

You're definitely on the wrong board. Now run back crying to Brian Gates' GoPowercrap.com.  I think a cannonball is being passed as we speak.

[ksuno1stunner]

I don't want homerism articles, but I do want all the sides/facts/situations/ put down so that I can make a decision from the article not have the decision persuaded to me by the way the article is written.

You're definitely on the wrong board. Now run back crying to Brian Gates' GoPowercrap.com.  I think a cannonball is being passed as we speak.

Gopowercat was so good last year.  They have had almost NO scoop.  The last breaking news was "Anthony Brown" or something like that, the OSU commit.  Seriously, I don't need another countdown that I could make myself.  I want recruiting information, something that I can't find on my own, and only J-Mart is providing it.  I'm kinda upset...I'm paying $10 a month that should be going to J-Mart. 

[ChicoRodriguez]

Actually, our premium is a little more. $79.99/mo.  JMART gets 30% of that, minus any fees that mjrod takes out, so Jeffrey gets roughly $20 per subscriber.

[chum1]

I don't want homerism articles, but I do want all the sides/facts/situations/ put down so that I can make a decision from the article not have the decision persuaded to me by the way the article is written.

I'm confused about how you couldn't conclude on your own that some of the things Butler was saying were a bit questionable when every other moron on this board could.  Do you need everything spoon fed to you?

[KSU4ME]

I would rather be a J-Martard™ than a powertard. 

You've always been a tard to me.

 

[KSU4ME]

Allow me to come the defense of the posters here:

These guys help me with my job. I'm sharper and more plugged in to what some K-State fans want. I've been fair with them, and they've been fair with me. I like it here, and I think they like me. It's a nice arrangement - and it's FREE. No one is paying for premium information, or at least I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about. Probably keeping them for himself.

As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.

Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others. 

I said it before and I'll say it again, you're the best KSU writer out there, that is not in question.

I just laugh when I see people make stupid claims, professional and otherwise, such as your claim to no bias.  It's cliche, but comical to say that.  Richman is as close to zero bias as I've seen in a sports writer, but that's more of a result of his utter lack of content than anything else.  Hard to have a bias when you say nothing. 

And I think you're a big boy, and can more than handle criticism from a poster like me without a bunch of jeffreytards getting all worked up.  Though I do enjoy their reactions.  And it's especially comical considering all the criticism the jeffreytards hurl at GPCtards.  Tards are tards.

[chum1]

  KSU4ME

[catzacker]

Allow me to come the defense of the posters here:

These guys help me with my job. I'm sharper and more plugged in to what some K-State fans want. I've been fair with them, and they've been fair with me. I like it here, and I think they like me. It's a nice arrangement - and it's FREE. No one is paying for premium information, or at least I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about. Probably keeping them for himself.

As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.

Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others. 

I said it before and I'll say it again, you're the best KSU writer out there, that is not in question.

I just laugh when I see people make stupid claims, professional and otherwise, such as your claim to no bias.  It's cliche, but comical to say that.  Richman is as close to zero bias as I've seen in a sports writer, but that's more of a result of his utter lack of content than anything else.  Hard to have a bias when you say nothing. 

And I think you're a big boy, and can more than handle criticism from a poster like me without a bunch of jeffreytards getting all worked up.  Though I do enjoy their reactions.  And it's especially comical considering all the criticism the jeffreytards hurl at GPCtards.  Tards are tards.

I guess I don't get your point?  The reason most people like Jeff is because he does good work and actually takes the time to give his opinion on here, which is not free from criticism, but is free from tardism.  And I'm not defending him, rather I'm just saying you're an f'ing idiot if you can't see that when a story has two sides to it and one side can't/won't comment on it, then it will, inevitably come off as "biased".  

The posters on this board, aside from you and a handful of others, don't have a problem with J-Mart, as a writer, no matter what story he prints; whereas an overwhelming majority of powertards have problems with J-Mart, or any other writer, when the content of his article is "negative".  Only then is J-Mart's character/motives/agenda called into question.  

Cheese and rice, you're like a mix of ChiTownCat and Scuba Steve.  

[ScubaSteve]

As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.

Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others.  

Thank you for finally admitting it.

I'd have to agree that you are more professional than most.  I really don't have a huge problem with what you write, you just happen to be the only reporter that posts here.  I think you need to know that your bias shows through in your writing.  I'm happy to keep reminding you.

[ScubaSteve]

Tards are tards.

Exactly.  The fact that the people on this board think they aren't makes me laugh.

[michigancat]

Tards are tards.

Exactly.  The fact that the people on this board think they aren't make me laugh.

What kind of tard are you?

I'm a Mart-tard  (Frank and Jeffrey.  Convenient!)

[Bullfn33]

taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone.  He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want.  Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.

 If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.


Oh, and I forgot to add:

Kenny Kadji

KSUFans.com = Jeffreytards

Don't dare question him, the wrath of the Jeffreytards will be swift.  What a bunch of tools.

Martin is the best KSU writer to come around in a loooong time, but to say that a person has no bias is just plain stupid.  It doesn't make him a bad writer, but everyone who opens their mouth (or pen) has a bias built in. 

I would rather be a J-Martard™ than a powertard. 

Mods...we need emoticons for a Gopowertard^TM and a J-Martard^TM

[KSU4ME]

I guess I don't get your point?  The reason most people like Jeff is because he does good work and actually takes the time to give his opinion on here, which is not free from criticism, but is free from tardism.  And I'm not defending him, rather I'm just saying you're an f'ing idiot if you can't see that when a story has two sides to it and one side can't/won't comment on it, then it will, inevitably come off as "biased".   

The posters on this board, aside from you and a handful of others, don't have a problem with J-Mart, as a writer, no matter what story he prints; whereas an overwhelming majority of powertards have problems with J-Mart, or any other writer, when the content of his article is "negative".  Only then is J-Mart's character/motives/agenda called into question. 

Cheese and rice, you're like a mix of ChiTownCat and Scuba Steve. 

The point is that that I did see that the story was biased, and that indeed all stories and writers are biased.  And then a bunch of tards started whining that I called J-Mart on his claim of non-bias and also his claim of not making judgements.  Ironically, he has acknowledged my points, but the tards (see catzacker) are still hacked that I pointed it out.  I never questioned his motives/agenda/character.  I merely pointed out that he is biased, as is everyone else.

It's hilarious.  I point out the obvious, and tards go ballistic.  It's their inability to comprehend reality, I think.

[BBF$$Cat]

The point is that that I did see that the story was biased, and that indeed all stories and writers are biased.  And then a bunch of tards started whining that I called J-Mart on his claim of non-bias and also his claim of not making judgements.  Ironically, he has acknowledged my points, but the tards (see catzacker) are still hacked that I pointed it out.  I never questioned his motives/agenda/character.  I merely pointed out that he is biased, as is everyone else.

It's hilarious.  I point out the obvious, and tards go ballistic.  It's their inability to comprehend reality, I think.
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QFT

[treysolid]

I guess I don't get your point?  The reason most people like Jeff is because he does good work and actually takes the time to give his opinion on here, which is not free from criticism, but is free from tardism.  And I'm not defending him, rather I'm just saying you're an f'ing idiot if you can't see that when a story has two sides to it and one side can't/won't comment on it, then it will, inevitably come off as "biased".   

The posters on this board, aside from you and a handful of others, don't have a problem with J-Mart, as a writer, no matter what story he prints; whereas an overwhelming majority of powertards have problems with J-Mart, or any other writer, when the content of his article is "negative".  Only then is J-Mart's character/motives/agenda called into question. 

Cheese and rice, you're like a mix of ChiTownCat and Scuba Steve. 

The point is that that I did see that the story was biased, and that indeed all stories and writers are biased.  And then a bunch of tards started whining that I called J-Mart on his claim of non-bias and also his claim of not making judgements.  Ironically, he has acknowledged my points, but the tards (see catzacker) are still hacked that I pointed it out.  I never questioned his motives/agenda/character.  I merely pointed out that he is biased, as is everyone else.

It's hilarious.  I point out the obvious, and tards go ballistic.  It's their inability to comprehend reality, I think.

if it's so obvious, why even bring it up?  it's not like J-Mart will completely abandon his writing style.  so what are you trying to accomplish here?

[chum1]

I guess I don't get your point?  The reason most people like Jeff is because he does good work and actually takes the time to give his opinion on here, which is not free from criticism, but is free from tardism.  And I'm not defending him, rather I'm just saying you're an f'ing idiot if you can't see that when a story has two sides to it and one side can't/won't comment on it, then it will, inevitably come off as "biased".   

The posters on this board, aside from you and a handful of others, don't have a problem with J-Mart, as a writer, no matter what story he prints; whereas an overwhelming majority of powertards have problems with J-Mart, or any other writer, when the content of his article is "negative".  Only then is J-Mart's character/motives/agenda called into question. 

Cheese and rice, you're like a mix of ChiTownCat and Scuba Steve. 

The point is that that I did see that the story was biased, and that indeed all stories and writers are biased.  And then a bunch of tards started whining that I called J-Mart on his claim of non-bias and also his claim of not making judgements.  Ironically, he has acknowledged my points, but the tards (see catzacker) are still hacked that I pointed it out.  I never questioned his motives/agenda/character.  I merely pointed out that he is biased, as is everyone else.

It's hilarious.  I point out the obvious, and tards go ballistic.  It's their inability to comprehend reality, I think.

I take issue with your high school level intellect version of the "everything is relative" type of claim that everyone is biased.  But I can't really speak for anyone else.

[Leyton]

The point is that that I did see that the story was biased, and that indeed all stories and writers are biased.

Really?  All stories and all writers are biased?  Similarly, everything you see is a distortion of reality because your rods, cones, and cornea are just a little bit different from everyone else's.  Is your neighbor's car really the shade of blue that you think it is?  Don't count on it, my friend.  What is blue?  Is your blue the same as my blue?  Your vision and the vision of a pirate with two eye patches and a feeling cane?  Both distorted.

 

I'd like to introduce you to the concept of extent.  It's useful when you're dealing with things that aren't binary.  The extent of the bias in Jeffrey Martin's reporting is minimal, and he shouldn't have to endure criticism from dweebs (e.g., you KSU4ME).  So stop.  He'll gush about Ron Prince when Ron Prince becomes gush-worthy.

[BBF$$Cat]

Hey leyton, get your crap straitght on who you are saying says what, although I will give your simple mind a pass on this one since I did followup KSU4ME with a QFT on what he said(just because i am not a forum pro at putting in quotes, and hope to stay that way). I think J-Mart writes quality articles more times then not and brings things to the table, but that does not mean he should not endure critique on his products just like anyone else, just because I am not hanging from his nuts like you are, he does need to check himself at times.

As for indicating that I want him to "Gush about Prince", you are going down the wrong road on that one. I am at this time the JURY IS STILL OUT POSITION on the quality of RP as a coach, he talks a big game about all he knows, has read, and is connected to, but I want consistent delivery of a quality product on the field.

No my neighbos car is silver, so don't know what the hell you are looking at, and I live in a world of green so guess that's were my cones and cornea differ.

[Fausto]

"According to Butler, the logic in the past was why take a chance on a second-tier prospect from Kansas when a passed-over, fourth-tier kid from Texas was available? Send the Kansan to a junior college --"the farm system," Butler said -- and take the Texan, if for no other reason than perception.

Butler -- and both Browns -- take exception with such logic, which was prevalent under Bill Snyder but still exists now with Ron Prince.


Prevalent?  I see one example listed.  It's not even a full example...who was the fourth-tier kid from Texas?  Have ANY others been unearthed in this discussion?  Then here is my one example to the contrary.  Bill Snyder took Eugene Langford as the partial qualifier and sent Josh Scobey to JUCO.  How did that end up working out???

You long-termers know the answer.  Langford didn't play a down, and K-State didn't get Scobey in the system for years...

Apologies in advance for my attempt here to stear this thread back on-topic. 

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Back on topic:  Seems to me if Butler is truly looking to get as many schollies for "his" Kansas kids at KSU then repeatedly kicking KSU in the balls over one player now that he is in a position of strength due to A. Brown, is pretty self destructive for him and at the very least, shortsighted.

Now if we can just get Congress to quit being so shortsighted.