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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: WildCatzPhreak on February 28, 2007, 11:57:22 AM
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I was kinda pumped to get Tyree here because I thought he would make an excellent shooting guard. Someone who could hit the shot from behind the arc when we really needed him to.
But somebody pointed out to me the other day that he's really not that outstanding from behind the arc. That he had a lower 3pt% than Stew. And they don't exactly play tough defense in the kansas jucos. I didn't look up the stats to verify, but I didn't have any reason to disbelieve him.
What's the deal? Is Tyree amazing or isn't he? Because we really need a shooter for next year.
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Tyree is amazing. He was chucking at Butler, which led to him being off the team.
That's my story, anyway.
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I would put little stock into the JUCO experiment that Evans went through. He could've done better, but it wasn't an ideal situation and obviously for whatever reason he never bought in with Smithson. I've got to believe Huggs would either get him bought in or get rid of him, and its worth a scholarship to take that chance IMO. The fact that he scored 884 points his SR season says a lot about his abilities on the court.
Before things went bad:
Smithson said the talent Evans has as a player makes him potentially a special player.
"My dad (Gene Smithson) had 30 guys that played for him go to the NBA," Smithson said. "I've had guys that played for me that went on to the NBA. I've played with guys who went on to the NBA. Tyree is one of those kind of players. He has the potential to be a player at that level. He can be a top player in my league, the Big 12 or any league he may get to after he's done with college. He has a chance to make millions of dollars playing this game."
"He has all of the ability in the world. He has the potential to be as good as you can find at any level of basketball. With Tyree it is all about habits and work ethic. He needs to adjust to doing the right thing. We're trying our hardest to get him changed. He's been on his own and doing his thing his way for a while now. He is a good kid, so I don't want that taken wrong. He is not a bad kid at all. He just needs to do things the way we want them done here, and I think he will get that."
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If he won't listen to Randy, why take a chance on the kid? We don't need to take chances any more. Why bring a potential cancer into our possible championship equation next year? We don't NEED him.
I don't want Tyree.... at all. I've seen him play and interact with others. He has bad attitude written all over him. Also, all he displayed was a good three point stroke. He's not a slasher and he's not a point guard. He does have a lot of speed and athleticism, but he is not a ball-handler. He's athletic enough to play good defense if he is taught well. He's not worth the risk. We need to back away from the table and be happy with what we have coming already.
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We need a shooter like Tyree. Not a bad risk. If he effs up, boot him.
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SIGN HIM UP!
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...blah....blah...blah...blah...blah.....he displayed..a good three point stroke. ...blah....blah...blah...blah...blah...blah....blah...blah...blah...blah... ...blah....blah...blah...blah...blah......blah....blah...blah...blah...blah... ...blah....blah...blah...blah...blah......blah....blah...blah...blah...blah... ...blah....blah...blah...blah...blah...
SIGN HIM UP!
That's kinda what I was thinkin. I just want a 3 pt shooter. Who cares about the risk, if he &@#%s up he sits or is booted. But the kid obviously does whatever Huggs asks, as evidenced by him coming all the way out to the midwest to play at Butler.
G: Clent Stewart
G: Tyree Evans
F: David Hoskins
F: Bill Walker
F: Michael Beasley
:love:
A legit scoring threat in every player on the floor. A damn good frontcourt. And a damn good backcourt. Add Huggins defense to the equation...
:woohoo:
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you left out an improved bench.
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Is there any update to his situation or is he still in limbo, I know he was mentioned in Fitz's Cannonball not too long ago but I haven't heard anything since.
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Has anyone read anything that says we are still actively recruiting him?
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Anything that says we aren't?
That would be more telling.
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Smithson is not capable of managing a talent like Evans. He mis managed Maurice Evan who now plays for the Lakers. JMNO
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SIGN HIM UP!
A good three point stroke like Lance Harris. He's Lance Harris with a really bad attitude. In fact, I would compare him to Lance.
What will happen is that he will ride the bench anyway. He won't listen to Huggins and he won't do what he is told so he won't play. I don't see why all of you are making such a big deal about this kid. He's just not worth it.
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A good three point stroke like Lance Harris. He's Lance Harris with a really bad attitude. In fact, I would compare him to Lance.
What will happen is that he will ride the bench anyway. He won't listen to Huggins and he won't do what he is told so he won't play. I don't see why all of you are making such a big deal about this kid. He's just not worth it.
There's been a lot of talk by people "in the know" that say he is an NBA talent, which in turn makes quite a buzz about a player.
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This thread needs a Tyree Evans update...anyone got premium here?
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A good three point stroke like Lance Harris. He's Lance Harris with a really bad attitude. In fact, I would compare him to Lance.
1) Harris wasn't top 100 anything. Evans was a consensus top 100 recruit.
2) Harris, given three years under Huggins, may have developed into a great player.
What will happen is that he will ride the bench anyway. He won't listen to Huggins and he won't do what he is told so he won't play. I don't see why all of you are making such a big deal about this kid. He's just not worth it.
Has it crossed your mind that maybe Smithson is part of the problem? The only other good recruit he hated him and is now in the NBA, as has already been mentioned.
Besides, Tyree's HS and prep school coaches have nothing but great things to say about him.
I think he'd run through a wall for Huggs.
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There's been a lot of talk by people "in the know" that say he is an NBA talent, which in turn makes quite a buzz about a player.
I know all about the "in the know" talk. I know the kid is an athelete and can shoot the ball (even though he didn't demonstrate that at Butler County. Lots of kids have potential and fail for a lot of reasons.
Have any of you people either seen the kid play, or talked to anyone at Butler County about what they thought of the kid? I have done both and I don't want any part of him. I agree that we could use a consistant three point shooter, lord knows that we are going to have a lot of open looks with the inside game we will have next year, but let's hope Pullen or Brown fit the bill.
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There's been a lot of talk by people "in the know" that say he is an NBA talent, which in turn makes quite a buzz about a player.
I know all about the "in the know" talk. I know the kid is an athelete and can shoot the ball (even though he didn't demonstrate that at Butler County. Lots of kids have potential and fail for a lot of reasons.
Have any of you people either seen the kid play, or talked to anyone at Butler County about what they thought of the kid? I have done both and I don't want any part of him. I agree that we could use a consistant three point shooter, lord knows that we are going to have a lot of open looks with the inside game we will have next year, but let's hope Pullen or Brown fit the bill.
I'm with you there, I'm not completely sold on this kid either but he is definitely a lightning rod for interesting conversation.
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Have any of you people either seen the kid play, or talked to anyone at Butler County about what they thought of the kid? I have done both and I don't want any part of him. I agree that we could use a consistant three point shooter, lord knows that we are going to have a lot of open looks with the inside game we will have next year, but let's hope Pullen or Brown fit the bill.
I haven't seen him play, so I'll defer to Huggins on this. If Huggins wants him, I'll trust his opinion over those of Gene Smithson and "ScubaSteve".
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I haven't seen him play, so I'll defer to Huggins on this. If Huggins wants him, I'll trust his opinion over those of Gene Smithson and "ScubaSteve".
In Huggs We Trust, hopefully that is the opinion of everyone here, except the lurkers of course.
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A good three point stroke like Lance Harris. He's Lance Harris with a really bad attitude. In fact, I would compare him to Lance.
What will happen is that he will ride the bench anyway. He won't listen to Huggins and he won't do what he is told so he won't play. I don't see why all of you are making such a big deal about this kid. He's just not worth it.
Didn't Tyree break Iverson's scoring record in the state of Virginia? How, on this earth, can Lance and Tyree be compared.
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Yeah, we have to defer to Huggins.
The thing is, we all revere Bob Huggins, but it's not like he doesn't have a history for errors in judging character. Let's not forget the guy's record in this regard is not perfect.
I know this board subscribes to MCMW. I like good players and people like Beasley and Walker, myself.
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As much as I want him I really think it's a moot point and weiser doesn't have the balls to give it the OK.
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What if it wasn't Weiser's call? What if it was OK'd over his head?
Just a thought... :)
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What if it wasn't Weiser's call? What if it was OK'd over his head?
Just a thought... :)
That's never happened before. :)
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Didn't Tyree break Iverson's scoring record in the state of Virginia? How, on this earth, can Lance and Tyree be compared.
He was third behind Moses Malone and Iverson in all Virginia classes...he broke JJ Reddick's record for his classification.
Yeah, we have to defer to Huggins.
The thing is, we all revere Bob Huggins, but it's not like he doesn't have a history for errors in judging character. Let's not forget the guy's record in this regard is not perfect.
I know this board subscribes to MCMW. I like good players and people like Beasley and Walker, myself.
It's worth the shot.
As much as I want him I really think it's a moot point and weiser doesn't have the balls to give it the OK.
He'll have the balls if there's a chance he goes to another B12 school...
What if it wasn't Weiser's call? What if it was OK'd over his head?
Just a thought... :)
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What if it wasn't Weiser's call? What if it was OK'd over his head?
Just a thought... :)
That's never happened before. :)
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What if it wasn't Weiser's call? What if it was OK'd over his head?
Just a thought... :)
Gives Weiser an out. He could just blame it on Wefald. I don't see it happening though. It just doesn't make sense to throw a big character question mark into the 2007-8 equation. It will truly suprise me to see Tyree on campus next fall. I will say that I firmly believe that it has been that plan all along to bring in Tyree next fall. I think that has changed since Smithson threw him off the team.
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How often are you surprised? An everyday occurrence or, say, once a year? You might have another one coming, dude...
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J-Mart dropping the hints.
Chances of Tyree? Yae's FT %?
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I have a "hunch" that Tyree will be signing with K-State.
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Hey. Scuba talked to some people n stuff.
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How often are you surprised? An everyday occurrence or, say, once a year? You might have another one coming, dude...
Actually, I was suprised when we hired Huggins, to be honest. I didn't think Weiser would hire him. I'm not saying Evans won't be there, just that it will suprise me. I also think it's a bad idea.
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We need video.
All the talk is bullsh__.
If he has 'lockdown D' then that itself could be worthy of a ship.
Is thornton still out there ?
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This is what always gets me about this stuff.
I rather doubt the KSU administration is going to say, "hey Tyree, come in and don't worry, be as big a douchebag as you want and we won't care.".
Everything I've heard about Randy Smithson screams high strangeness, so I pretty much dismiss all that. Bring the kid in and tell him he's got to keep his $hit straight or he's gone.
It's not really that hard.
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Steve - what, precisely, are these character issues you keep harping on?
Obviously it's not what happened at his prep school. I mean c'mon, pretty much every (honest non-religious freak) 17-18 year old in the country has slept with a girl 2-3 years younger than himself so that's no big deal. And if you check the Boston Globe archives you'll find that Tyree's prep school has a history of little debutantes pulling the train for the hoops team ... at least until daddy finds out and goes to the authorities. Again, availing himself of one of these tramps-in-training just doesn't seem like a big deal. Being charged with statutory rape in this sort of situation where the underage female was a willing participant is about as serious as getting a parking ticket, or that's at least the level at which sane people should view it.
Smithson has a history of conflict with players so it should come as no surprise that he might have had a conflict with Tyree. I view it as a total cop-out when a coach throws his proverbial hands in the air and boots a kid off the team while saying, "He's really a great kid. No off court issues at all. I just didn't like what he was doing on the court." I mean WTF is that all about? Smithson's the &@#%ing coach it's his &@#%ing job to FORCE his players to do what he wants them to do on the court. If he can't handle it that's his problem, one which he has, from time to time, unfortunately unloaded on his players. So Smithson was unable (once again) to handle a player with a strong personality, that's not exectly news. Besides have you *seen* the KSU staff? I can't see Tyree doing things his way for long at KSU.
And I actually think Huggins owes Tyree. Evans got caught up in the Zimpher v. Huggins brawl at UC when his recruitment was ditched since it might reflect negatively on a program whose image Z claimed she was trying to polish. When Huggins was forced to back off lots of other coaches probably followed suit thinking that given the reputation of the Cincinnatti program if Hugs couldn't recruit the kid there must really be something terribly wrong when in truth it was probably organizational politics within UC and the conflict between Hugs and Zimpher as much as anything.
Besides, where are you going to find a serious NBA prospect shooting guard in the '07 class with 3 years of eligibility remaining at this late date?
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Steve - what, precisely, are these character issues you keep harping on?
Obviously it's not what happened at his prep school. I mean c'mon, pretty much every (honest non-religious freak) 17-18 year old in the country has slept with a girl 2-3 years younger than himself so that's no big deal. And if you check the Boston Globe archives you'll find that Tyree's prep school has a history of little debutantes pulling the train for the hoops team ... at least until daddy finds out and goes to the authorities. Again, availing himself of one of these tramps-in-training just doesn't seem like a big deal. Being charged with statutory rape in this sort of situation where the underage female was a willing participant is about as serious as getting a parking ticket, or that's at least the level at which sane people should view it.
Smithson has a history of conflict with players so it should come as no surprise that he might have had a conflict with Tyree. I view it as a total cop-out when a coach throws his proverbial hands in the air and boots a kid off the team while saying, "He's really a great kid. No off court issues at all. I just didn't like what he was doing on the court." I mean WTF is that all about? Smithson's the &*$@!ing coach it's his &*$@!ing job to FORCE his players to do what he wants them to do on the court. If he can't handle it that's his problem, one which he has, from time to time, unfortunately unloaded on his players. So Smithson was unable (once again) to handle a player with a strong personality, that's not exectly news. Besides have you *seen* the KSU staff? I can't see Tyree doing things his way for long at KSU.
And I actually think Huggins owes Tyree. Evans got caught up in the Zimpher v. Huggins brawl at UC when his recruitment was ditched since it might reflect negatively on a program whose image Z claimed she was trying to polish. When Huggins was forced to back off lots of other coaches probably followed suit thinking that given the reputation of the Cincinnatti program if Hugs couldn't recruit the kid there must really be something terribly wrong when in truth it was probably organizational politics within UC and the conflict between Hugs and Zimpher as much as anything.
Besides, where are you going to find a serious NBA prospect shooting guard in the '07 class with 3 years of eligibility remaining at this late date?
I'll address the character issues later. I don't have time. I will though.
Huggins owes Tyree? Are you saying there is not room on another DI team in all of America for an NBA shooting guard. Cincinnati was his only shot? I don't think the whole Zimpher/Hugs battle was the problem.
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Steve - what, precisely, are these character issues you keep harping on?
Obviously it's not what happened at his prep school. I mean c'mon, pretty much every (honest non-religious freak) 17-18 year old in the country has slept with a girl 2-3 years younger than himself so that's no big deal.
I've learned something about myself today. I'm either dishonest or a religious freak. Cool. :ustupid:
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Looking at K-State's lineup for next season:
G: Stewart
G: Sutton
F: Hoskins
F: Walker
F: Beasley
Bench: Bennett, Colon, Young, Pullen
Who is going to be your 3-point shooter? I think Beasley is capable of hitting from the outside, but aside from that, there really aren't many shooters on that team. K-State is going to have a tough time against zone defenses if you don't bring in a guy who can shoot from the perimeter. Evans was supposed to be that guy, but it doesn't look like he'll end up at K-State.
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Looking at K-State's lineup for next season:
G: Stewart
G: Sutton
F: Hoskins
F: Walker
F: Beasley
Bench: Bennett, Colon, Young, Pullen
Who is going to be your 3-point shooter? I think Beasley is capable of hitting from the outside, but aside from that, there really aren't many shooters on that team. K-State is going to have a tough time against zone defenses if you don't bring in a guy who can shoot from the perimeter. Evans was supposed to be that guy, but it doesn't look like he'll end up at K-State.
1) Can you read?
2) If you can, did you read Jeffrey Martin's posts?
3) Do you know who Jeffrey Martin is?
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I'm pretty sure Sutton won't be the fifth person on the court.
I don't doubt he'll get plenty of playing time, I've heard a lot of people from carolina rave about how underrated he is and how great a basketball player he is. But I see him spelling Hoskins. He's more of an undersized banger from what I hear.
The second guard will be a rotation of Young, Brown, and Pullen. Possibly Tyree if he shows up.
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I'm writing something soon on Tyree. I've spent some time with him and I don't think he's a bad kid. He comes a bad area (Richmond, Va.), he's seen and done some bad things, but I don't think that makes him bad. I think it's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. If he doesn't end up at K-State - and I'm not saying one way or the other - he very well could end up playing in the Big 12. He's very fond of Jeff Capel, but not nearly as much as he is of Bob Huggins.
The problem with Tyree is, all of his problems have been publicized. We all assume kids like Bill Walker and Mike Beasley - kids I like, by the way - are "good kids" because they're well-spoken and pleasant to the media. Dig a little, folks. Everything isn't always what it seems. No one is the angel they're sometimes portrayed to be.
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is there any doubt SS was part of the gp.com mafia that wanted nothing to do with Huggs?
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I'm writing something soon on Tyree. I've spent some time with him and I don't think he's a bad kid. He comes a bad area (Richmond, Va.), he's seen and done some bad things, but I don't think that makes him bad. I think it's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. If he doesn't end up at K-State - and I'm not saying one way or the other - he very well could end up playing in the Big 12. He's very fond of Jeff Capel, but not nearly as much as he is of Bob Huggins.
The problem with Tyree is, all of his problems have been publicized. We all assume kids like Bill Walker and Mike Beasley - kids I like, by the way - are "good kids" because they're well-spoken and pleasant to the media. Dig a little, folks. Everything isn't always what it seems. No one is the angel they're sometimes portrayed to be.
Jeff, thanks for your work. People like to ignore the fact that Walker has been ejected from multiple games and got a flagrant foul in his first game...didn't he get a techincal, too? Not very good-guy-ish for a guy that played 5 games.
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is there any doubt SS was part of the gp.com mafia that wanted nothing to do with Huggs?
I wasn't. I just didn't think that Weiser would hire him. I will say that prior to him taking the job at KSU, I did not think very highly of him. That was purely out of ignorance though. I'm a very big fan now, but I don't think he is perfect and can do no wrong. I don't think it would be a bad thing for some of his decisions to be scrutinized and I think he should be willing to compromise. If not, I could see that being a problem.
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SS you "think" a lot. If you had any evidence to back up your posts about Tyree's character issues, then maybe some people would pay more attention.
Getting ACCUSED of rape is not the same as raping someone. He had sex with an underage girl, she and her family made a big deal out of it. He is INNOCENT. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about his innocense. He would already be at KSU if the trial would have been completed before his time to sign had passed.
As for the problems at BuCo, Randy Smithson checked into rehab earlier this year after trying to OD on pills. He is not exactly the greatest character himself and right now it is a big game of Tyree said, Randy said. Look at all the issues right now and not just the fact that Tyree was once accused, not convicted, of rape before you start on the "character issues" that do not exist.
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Did he even have sex with the girl, or was he just in the room when it happened?
J-Mart?
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Steve - what, precisely, are these character issues you keep harping on?
Obviously it's not what happened at his prep school. I mean c'mon, pretty much every (honest non-religious freak) 17-18 year old in the country has slept with a girl 2-3 years younger than himself so that's no big deal.
I've learned something about myself today. I'm either dishonest or a religious freak. Cool. :ustupid:
I suppose you could just be a loser .... :violin:
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Steve - what, precisely, are these character issues you keep harping on?
Obviously it's not what happened at his prep school. I mean c'mon, pretty much every (honest non-religious freak) 17-18 year old in the country has slept with a girl 2-3 years younger than himself so that's no big deal.
I've learned something about myself today. I'm either dishonest or a religious freak. Cool. :ustupid:
I suppose you could just be a loser .... :violin:
One thing is for sure. You sure aren't one.
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SS you "think" a lot. If you had any evidence to back up your posts about Tyree's character issues, then maybe some people would pay more attention.
Getting ACCUSED of rape is not the same as raping someone. He had sex with an underage girl, she and her family made a big deal out of it. He is INNOCENT. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about his innocense. He would already be at KSU if the trial would have been completed before his time to sign had passed.
As for the problems at BuCo, Randy Smithson checked into rehab earlier this year after trying to OD on pills. He is not exactly the greatest character himself and right now it is a big game of Tyree said, Randy said. Look at all the issues right now and not just the fact that Tyree was once accused, not convicted, of rape before you start on the "character issues" that do not exist.
Do you know Mike Bargen? He's the assistant coach of Butler that had Tyree riding the bench while Smithson was in rehab. The kid wouldn't do what he was told. He thought he was bigger than the team and was not coachable. I'm not saying he won't listen to Huggs either. He might.
Look, this has nothing to do with what he was accused of before Butler. I couldn't care less about all that, other than the attention it will draw to Huggins' past. This has everything to do with the fact that he got thrown off the team at Butler and the type of kid he his according to the Butler CC staff and administration. I just don't see why Huggins would or should take a chance on this kid, but that's just me. Huggins obviously thought enough of Randy Smithson that he got the kid to Butler to begin with. Yes, it was Huggins that placed him there. If you have a problem with Randy, maybe you should examine Huggins. Do you think Tyree got to Butler County by accident?
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tyree is bigger than the team.
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Come to KSU, Tyree!
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tyree is bigger than the team.
Evidently not, or he'd still be playing there.
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Tyree is in LOVE with Huggins. Of course he'd listen to him.
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It's like being the best player on a HS tennis team. you're "bigger" than the team so you pretty much rarely ever show up for practice.
it won't be like that with Beasley, walker around.
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It's like being the best player on a HS tennis team. you're "bigger" than the team so you pretty much rarely ever show up for practice.
it won't be like that with Beasley, walker around.
Nice analogy fatty. You've really outdone yourself there. :rolleyes:
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Did he even have sex with the girl, or was he just in the room when it happened?
J-Mart?
Didn't have sex with her. Took a DNA test that came out in his favor - a test he paid for - but that never was mentioned along the way.
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Huggins obviously thought enough of Randy Smithson that he got the kid to Butler to begin with. Yes, it was Huggins that placed him there.
Was Butler the first place they tried to place him?
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Yes, and it wasn't as if he HAD to go the Juco route. He was academically cleared to go the Div. I route, but he did what he was told.
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Yes, and it wasn't as if he HAD to go the Juco route. He was academically cleared to go the Div. I route, but he did what he was told.
So why didn't he do what he was told once he got there?
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Do you know Mike Bargen? He's the assistant coach of Butler that had Tyree riding the bench while Smithson was in rehab. The kid wouldn't do what he was told. He thought he was bigger than the team and was not coachable. I'm not saying he won't listen to Huggs either. He might.
Look, this has nothing to do with what he was accused of before Butler. I couldn't care less about all that, other than the attention it will draw to Huggins' past. This has everything to do with the fact that he got thrown off the team at Butler and the type of kid he his according to the Butler CC staff and administration. I just don't see why Huggins would or should take a chance on this kid, but that's just me. Huggins obviously thought enough of Randy Smithson that he got the kid to Butler to begin with. Yes, it was Huggins that placed him there. If you have a problem with Randy, maybe you should examine Huggins. Do you think Tyree got to Butler County by accident?
So what you're saying is that you have a problem with Tyree only because the Butler staff couldn't handle him. Don't you think Huggins has given some thought as to whether he can take the rough edges off Tyree's game? I'm going to go ahead and assume that a coach who's rapidly approaching 600 D-I wins probably has at least given some minimal thought to the issue. It's awfully presumptuous of a mere fan to claim that he opposes the recruitment of a particular player because he knows better than the coaching staff whether or not that player will mesh with the team enough to contribute. I just don't see how anyone here could be so astonishingly arrogant as to actually believe their own opinions on on the court matters should outweigh those of the staff. Help me out with that Steve.
And yes, I don think that Hugs owes Tyree to some degree. Tyree was a victim of his own poor decision making but he was also a victim of: an underage girl who engaged in prohibited activities, a parent who couldn't just let his daughter's actions be her own fault, an administration at UC that was hell-bent on tightening the screws on Huggins beyond what he would tolerate, etc. And as you've correctly pointed out, the fact that Tyree landed at a Kansas juco isn't exactly an accident. He followed Hugs out here almost certainly on the promise that he'd be given a shot at KSU when things cooled off. It's time for KSU to honor the promises made by its representatives.
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Another question...is he going to class at Butler, and if he does poorly enough academically, could it affect his D1 eligibility in the future?
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It's time for KSU to honor the promises made by its representatives.
Whatever dude. You are not worthy of my time.
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FWIW, I wouldn't listen to this guy, either.
(http://grizzlies.butlercc.edu/Basketball/mens/parts/mike_bergen.jpg)
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It's time for KSU to honor the promises made by its representatives.
Whatever dude. You are not worthy of my time.
Translation, "I [Steve] have nothing." Nice tap out.
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FWIW, I wouldn't listen to this guy, either.
(http://grizzlies.butlercc.edu/Basketball/mens/parts/mike_bergen.jpg)
Looks like a yuppie douchebag to me.
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Another question...is he going to class at Butler, and if he does poorly enough academically, could it affect his D1 eligibility in the future?
Taking classes. Academic standing shouldn't be an issue.
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How would you compare Evans to JamesOn Curry of Oklahoma State?
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How would you compare Evans to JamesOn Curry of Oklahoma State?
Jameson Curry leads his team. Tyree gets thrown off of his.
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Are we off Thornton's list.
Yes or no please.
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Jameson Curry plays at Oklahoma State, and already has a rap sheet a mile long. He can't afford to cause any trouble.
Tyree Evans plays for a weirdo at a Kansas JC, and got caught up in what I would call nothing more then a East Coast prep school sex scandal.
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I hope we get Tyree.
I think the "Weef" may overrule Weiser here, just like he did two years ago when retaining Woolly.
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The Weef doesn't have the Boss Bill MFing Snyder to back him up. He's getting old.
Weiser has taken over.
(http://v100.kusports.com/nextad/art/weiser.jpg)
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LOL @ Scuba Steve.
The Butler staff has some major issues right now. They've walked out of every single practice the last two weeks. Not the players, the coaches! Smithson has checked out. Tony Durant, Kevin's brother, quit the team a couple days ago.
All of the players that are still there are fed up with him and the coaching staff. The players voted a couple days ago to not have the coaches come to practice.
Look, Tyree is, for the most part, staying out of trouble. He isn't a head case. He's doing everything he needs to do to make it here.
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I used to think that Weiser and Co. should keep Evans away from KSU just to avoid the negative exposure (mainly since I didn't think it would be too tough for Huggs to find a replacement). First of all, let's be realistic - no matter what OUR character issues are with Evans, the only thing standing between him and a purple and white uniform is his statutory rape charge (or whatever it ended up being called). Even if he HAD done the deed, which J-Mart seems to have decided is not the case (w00t!), it would be a travesty to bar the guy from a school where a significant fraction of the undergrads have engaged in the very same "vice." If J-Mart is all in, I'm all in. I'd be happy enough with Marcus Thornton, but I think it'd just be wrong (and selfish) to deny this cat access to the Bram (and what is apparently his long-time dream, playing for Bob Huggins). Looking forward to the article, Jeffrey.
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LOL @ Scuba Steve.
The Butler staff has some major issues right now. They've walked out of every single practice the last two weeks. Not the players, the coaches! Smithson has checked out. Tony Durant, Kevin's brother, quit the team a couple days ago.
All of the players that are still there are fed up with him and the coaching staff. The players voted a couple days ago to not have the coaches come to practice.
Look, Tyree is, for the most part, staying out of trouble. He isn't a head case. He's doing everything he needs to do to make it here.
friggin LOL
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LOL@ juco players, a friend of mine went to Independence CC, he was the only white guy on the team, he said the other guys wouldn't even give him the ball because he was white, and they all hated the coach because he was white and they were very open about this.
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LOL@ juco players, a friend of mine went to Independence CC, he was the only white guy on the team, he said the other guys wouldn't even give him the ball because he was white, and they all hated the coach because he was white and they were very open about this.
Did he play with Murda?
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I don't know, he was there in 00/01 and the whole coaching staff quit, or was fired or something, so he played at D-2 after that I think.
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tyree is bigger than the team.
definitely agree. is anyone else on the team or staff ever going to impact ksu´s bball program? no. qed, evans is more important than the rest of them.
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No one is the angel they're sometimes portrayed to be.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that Walker and Beasley are angels sent from heaven to Manhattan.
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LOL @ Scuba Steve.
The Butler staff has some major issues right now. They've walked out of every single practice the last two weeks. Not the players, the coaches! Smithson has checked out. Tony Durant, Kevin's brother, quit the team a couple days ago.
All of the players that are still there are fed up with him and the coaching staff. The players voted a couple days ago to not have the coaches come to practice.
Look, Tyree is, for the most part, staying out of trouble. He isn't a head case. He's doing everything he needs to do to make it here.
I have not talked to anyone over there the last couple of weeks, but it doesn't matter. I know the coaching staff has issues over there. I know that Smithson is a lame duck. I know that has caused problems. It doesn't change my opinion.
LOL if you want. The coach is the coach.... period. You do what you are told... period. There are a whole lot of players still playing over there under whatever the circumstances are. I'd take any one of those before I took Tyree. I don't care what Smithson's personal problems are, he's a good coach and gets results. Huggins obviously thought so, or was he making an error in character judgement?
Tyree may very well make it to Manhattan, but he's got a long way to go before I become a fan and it has nothing to do with his sexual escapades.
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I have a hard time believing Tyree would act the same around Huggins.
The kid loves him. I'll tell you one thing; he didn't come out to Butler to play basketball because he thought ButlerCC had an amazing basketball program. He went there because he wants to be coached by Huggins so badly that he moved across the country to go to a random community college just because he thought it would give him a better chance to play for Huggs.
I'm pretty sure player/coach relationship between Huggs and Tyree will not be a problem.
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In other news, the world's largest stick - missing for nearly three days - was just found up ScubaSteve's ass.
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well we need tyree we need a guard that can slash and go to the hole and stop sitting around the arc waiting for hoskins and beasley to curl and do all the work next year we need some one to go to the rack and get to the line because our bigs aren't going to get any better so we need some one who can attack the basket and get penetration and draw some fouls cause if you get to the line you win games and thats something that this years team hasn't been able to do and tyree can do that for us next year and as far as him being a bad attitude the kid will listen to anything huggy says he brought him her to play at butler so what makes you think that huggs can't control him?
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well we need tyree we need a guard that can slash and go to the hole and stop sitting around the arc waiting for hoskins and beasley to curl and do all the work next year we need some one to go to the rack and get to the line because our bigs aren't going to get any better so we need some one who can attack the basket and get penetration and draw some fouls cause if you get to the line you win games and thats something that this years team hasn't been able to do and tyree can do that for us next year and as far as him being a bad attitude the kid will listen to anything huggy says he brought him her to play at butler so what makes you think that huggs can't control him?
That's a long sentence. FWIW, we lead the league (Big 12 games only) in FT attempts per game and have scored more from the line than anyone.
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the real test....
fan - who would you rather see at sg, your boy clent, or tyree?
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I am under the impression Tyree is more of a shooter than a slasher.
If you're looking for a slasher, Pullen is your man.
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the real test....
fan - who would you rather see at sg, your boy clent, or tyree?
Starting:
Clent at PG for 25 MPG
Tyree at SG for 20 MPG
Off the bench:
Young where needed for 15 MPG
Pullen where needed for 10 MPG
Brown where needed for 10 MPG
Those numbers could change as the season goes along, but that's how I see things at the start. Of course Huggs will adjust to match-ups accordingly.
I don't see Clent losing the starting PG spot next year and I think if Evans is at KSU he's the starter at SG. Unless Pullen and Brown are way underrated 10 minutes perhaps progressing to 12-15 per game is reasonable and a great way to allow them to develop slowly. I think Huggs comments about Colon and Bennett "having to play" this year says that he likes to let his guys develop slowly. Of course for talents like Beasley and Walker that doesn't apply.
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scuba, History is replete with Smithsons miss steps. He is no where nor will he ever be the coach that his father was. I wouldn't let Smithson coach Biddy BB if I had anything to do with it! JMO The wheels are coming off that program right now. Evans will do just fine in the KSU program. Bring him! :dancin: :dancin:
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I am under the impression Tyree is more of a shooter than a slasher.
If you're looking for a slasher, Pullen is your man.
Watch Tyree's Rivals video.
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LOL @ Scuba Steve.
The Butler staff has some major issues right now. They've walked out of every single practice the last two weeks. Not the players, the coaches! Smithson has checked out. Tony Durant, Kevin's brother, quit the team a couple days ago.
All of the players that are still there are fed up with him and the coaching staff. The players voted a couple days ago to not have the coaches come to practice.
Look, Tyree is, for the most part, staying out of trouble. He isn't a head case. He's doing everything he needs to do to make it here.
I have not talked to anyone over there the last couple of weeks, but it doesn't matter. I know the coaching staff has issues over there. I know that Smithson is a lame duck. I know that has caused problems. It doesn't change my opinion.
LOL if you want. The coach is the coach.... period. You do what you are told... period. There are a whole lot of players still playing over there under whatever the circumstances are. I'd take any one of those before I took Tyree. I don't care what Smithson's personal problems are, he's a good coach and gets results. Huggins obviously thought so, or was he making an error in character judgement?
Tyree may very well make it to Manhattan, but he's got a long way to go before I become a fan and it has nothing to do with his sexual escapades.
Sincerely,
Dave Bliss
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I have a hard time believing Tyree would act the same around Huggins.
The kid loves him. I'll tell you one thing; he didn't come out to Butler to play basketball because he thought ButlerCC had an amazing basketball program. He went there because he wants to be coached by Huggins so badly that he moved across the country to go to a random community college just because he thought it would give him a better chance to play for Huggs.
I'm pretty sure player/coach relationship between Huggs and Tyree will not be a problem.
Everyone keeps saying this, but Huggs met personally, or called Tyree numerous times throughout his time at Butler telling him to tow the line. Yet, Tyree gets thrown off the team. Sounds like he's already not listening.
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tyree is bigger than the team.
even more important tyree is a whole lot bigger than scuba steve.
come on down, tyree.
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even more important tyree is a whole lot bigger than scuba steve.
Actually, that's not true.
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I would tend to agree with you Scuba Steve if I thought Tyree or any of those players were dealing with a semi normal coaching staff who had their own house in order, and who had the rest of the team under control and Evans was some sort of exception.
However, Smithson already has taken a "mental break" rest this year . . . and anytime I hear about a freaking Junior College coach so mentally unstable he's got to back away . . . because we all know the pressures of coaching Jayhawk League JUCO ball then all I see is a mess.
If the kid ends up at KSU, he's going to be going up against the immoveable force, who has millions of dollars in the bank and a resume Randy Smithson can't even sniff at . . . he won't need Tyree Evans if Evans is going to act like a D-bag and he'll let him know it.
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Starting:
Clent at PG for 25 MPG
Tyree at SG for 20 MPG
Off the bench:
Young where needed for 15 MPG
Pullen where needed for 10 MPG
Brown where needed for 10 MPG
Those numbers could change as the season goes along, but that's how I see things at the start. Of course Huggs will adjust to match-ups accordingly.
I don't see Clent losing the starting PG spot next year and I think if Evans is at KSU he's the starter at SG. Unless Pullen and Brown are way underrated 10 minutes perhaps progressing to 12-15 per game is reasonable and a great way to allow them to develop slowly. I think Huggs comments about Colon and Bennett "having to play" this year says that he likes to let his guys develop slowly. Of course for talents like Beasley and Walker that doesn't apply.
it would be nice to have a pg that was in the top 3 on the team in a/to. could you imagine a pg that actually qualifies for the official big 12 rankings for a/to (minimum 3 assists per game)? crazy stuff.
huggs comments about colon/bennett having to play gotta be taken in the context of the fact that they're big men, who have a development curve different than backcourt players.
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I think Huggins was probably unaware that Smithson had a history running off top 100 basketball players with the last name of EVANS! NEVER send a player with the last name of EVANS to Smithson!! What was he thinking?
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it would be nice to have a pg that was in the top 3 on the team in a/to. could you imagine a pg that actually qualifies for the official big 12 rankings for a/to (minimum 3 assists per game)? crazy stuff.
huggs comments about colon/bennett having to play gotta be taken in the context of the fact that they're big men, who have a development curve different than backcourt players.
No kidding. All we need is a point guard to distribute the ball. Lord knows we will have guys who can score. Hannah was a huge miss. If we had him we'd be set. Clint Stewart can hold down the 2 spot. I just can't figure out why everyone is getting wet over Tyree Evans.
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I am under the impression Tyree is more of a shooter than a slasher.
If you're looking for a slasher, Pullen is your man.
Watch Tyree's Rivals video.
Tyree Evans Video Reels
No Media Available.
:confused:
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Starting:
Clent at PG for 25 MPG
Tyree at SG for 20 MPG
Off the bench:
Young where needed for 15 MPG
Pullen where needed for 10 MPG
Brown where needed for 10 MPG
Those numbers could change as the season goes along, but that's how I see things at the start. Of course Huggs will adjust to match-ups accordingly.
I don't see Clent losing the starting PG spot next year and I think if Evans is at KSU he's the starter at SG. Unless Pullen and Brown are way underrated 10 minutes perhaps progressing to 12-15 per game is reasonable and a great way to allow them to develop slowly. I think Huggs comments about Colon and Bennett "having to play" this year says that he likes to let his guys develop slowly. Of course for talents like Beasley and Walker that doesn't apply.
it would be nice to have a pg that was in the top 3 on the team in a/to. could you imagine a pg that actually qualifies for the official big 12 rankings for a/to (minimum 3 assists per game)? crazy stuff.
huggs comments about colon/bennett having to play gotta be taken in the context of the fact that they're big men, who have a development curve different than backcourt players.
I can see your point on Stewart's assist numbers this year, certainly not great. He's shown he can put up decent, not great, assist numbers in the past. His injury/surgery to start the year certainly didn't help him get acclimated to Huggins as quickly as he probably needed to. Regardless, I think he wins the starting PG spot next year and keeps it.
You are correct that its not fair to compare a frosh big to a perimeter player. I do think that if Huggs feels if he has better older players, he'll take his time in letting the younger guys develop. Like I've said, if Pullen or Brown come in and beat out Stewart for the PG spot its only a good thing b/c (IMO) they'll be beating out a solid player. If not, I think we can win a lot of games next year with Stewart playing PG.
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I am under the impression Tyree is more of a shooter than a slasher.
If you're looking for a slasher, Pullen is your man.
Watch Tyree's Rivals video.
Tyree Evans Video Reels
No Media Available.
:confused:
high school profile
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=15645
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I am under the impression Tyree is more of a shooter than a slasher.
If you're looking for a slasher, Pullen is your man.
Watch Tyree's Rivals video.
Tyree Evans Video Reels
No Media Available.
:confused:
high school profile
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=15645
He looks kinda slow.
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## Player GP-GS Min--Avg FG-FGA Pct 3FG-FGA Pct FT-FTA Pct Off Def Tot Avg PF FO A TO Blk Stl Pts Avg
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15 ANTHONY, Carmelo... 35-35 1274 36.4 277-612 .453 56-166 .337 168-238 .706 101 248 349 10.0 77 0 77 77 30 55 778 22.2
01 WARRICK, Hakim..... 35-35 1146 32.7 197-364 .541 0-1 .000 124-186 .667 112 185 297 8.5 94 4 57 92 44 49 518 14.8
03 McNAMARA, Gerry.... 35-35 1236 35.3 146-364 .401 85-238 .357 90-99 .909 14 66 80 2.3 69 1 155 85 2 77 467 13.3
13 DUANY, kueth....... 35-35 944 27.0 133-303 .439 43-123 .350 77-114 .675 45 83 128 3.7 75 1 71 57 17 36 386 11.0
14 EDELIN, Billy...... 23-0 533 23.2 80-146 .548 0-2 .000 48-71 .676 23 55 78 3.4 22 0 58 53 2 24 208 9.0
05 PACE, Josh......... 32-0 469 14.7 62-118 .525 0-2 .000 14-25 .560 22 64 86 2.7 33 0 60 37 8 26 138 4.3
51 FORTH, Craig....... 35-35 618 17.7 56-115 .487 0-1 .000 20-40 .500 50 66 116 3.3 90 4 30 39 41 15 132 3.8
34 McNEIL, Jeremy..... 35-0 657 18.8 54-81 .667 0-0 .000 9-20 .450 62 84 146 4.2 112 4 8 36 100 9 117 3.3
24 GORMAN, Matt....... 9-0 76 8.4 8-23 .348 0-1 .000 5-8 .625 4 15 19 2.1 14 0 1 5 2 3 21 2.3
10 KOUWE, Andrew...... 6-0 10 1.7 3-5 .600 2-2 1.000 2-2 1.000 1 1 2 0.3 2 0 2 1 0 0 10 1.7
11 HERRON, Ronneil.... 5-0 9 1.8 2-3 .667 0-0 .000 2-3 .667 0 5 5 1.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 6 1.2
23 HALL, Gary......... 5-0 6 1.2 1-1 1.000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 2 2 0.4 0 0 2 0 1 1 2 0.4
20 GAINES, Xzavier.... 6-0 21 3.5 1-8 .125 0-3 .000 0-0 .000 1 1 2 0.3 0 0 1 2 0 1 2 0.3
21 BROOKS, Josh....... 5-0 6 1.2 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 1 1 0.2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
02 ALBRIGHT, Tyrone... 7-0 20 2.9 0-2 .000 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 1 1 2 0.3 1 0 1 3 0 2 0 0.0
TEAM............... 46 66 112 3.2 1 6
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SS, I appreciate you taking the opposite side in what is obviously a rabid, starved fan base wanting desperately to get to the top. J-Mart, great stuff, thanks, as always, for your insight. I haven't seen Tyree play, or seen any video, but I've read the press like everyone else. Obviously, the kid is a great talent (see people who have and are recruiting him, recruiting rankings, etc.). I'm not saying they can't be wrong but there are an awful lot of people in the know who say he can play. The statutory rape incident, coupled with being kicked off the team is bad. But, I suspect he is too big a talent to be at Butler County. With his background, respect is probably all about ballin, and he has probably always been "the man". He likely viewed Butler as a necessary stopping ground and showcase, and nothing else. Possibly, he just doesn't have the maturity or background to understand what he really needed to do there. I think if anyone can break him, it is Huggins. That respect factor is probably what Huggins is banking on. I think if he winds up at KSU he will know listening to Huggs is his ticket to a future. It's obvious that Huggs has reached him like no one else and already has his respect and attention. I haven't seen him and no nothing other than what I've read and, yes, I'm one of those starved for success fans but, I think he may be worth a shot. Just my two cents worth.
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## Player GP-GS Min--Avg FG-FGA Pct 3FG-FGA Pct FT-FTA Pct Off Def Tot Avg PF FO A TO Blk Stl Pts Avg
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15 ANTHONY, Carmelo... 35-35 1274 36.4 277-612 .453 56-166 .337 168-238 .706 101 248 349 10.0 77 0 77 77 30 55 778 22.2
01 WARRICK, Hakim..... 35-35 1146 32.7 197-364 .541 0-1 .000 124-186 .667 112 185 297 8.5 94 4 57 92 44 49 518 14.8
03 McNAMARA, Gerry.... 35-35 1236 35.3 146-364 .401 85-238 .357 90-99 .909 14 66 80 2.3 69 1 155 85 2 77 467 13.3
13 DUANY, kueth....... 35-35 944 27.0 133-303 .439 43-123 .350 77-114 .675 45 83 128 3.7 75 1 71 57 17 36 386 11.0
14 EDELIN, Billy...... 23-0 533 23.2 80-146 .548 0-2 .000 48-71 .676 23 55 78 3.4 22 0 58 53 2 24 208 9.0
05 PACE, Josh......... 32-0 469 14.7 62-118 .525 0-2 .000 14-25 .560 22 64 86 2.7 33 0 60 37 8 26 138 4.3
51 FORTH, Craig....... 35-35 618 17.7 56-115 .487 0-1 .000 20-40 .500 50 66 116 3.3 90 4 30 39 41 15 132 3.8
34 McNEIL, Jeremy..... 35-0 657 18.8 54-81 .667 0-0 .000 9-20 .450 62 84 146 4.2 112 4 8 36 100 9 117 3.3
24 GORMAN, Matt....... 9-0 76 8.4 8-23 .348 0-1 .000 5-8 .625 4 15 19 2.1 14 0 1 5 2 3 21 2.3
10 KOUWE, Andrew...... 6-0 10 1.7 3-5 .600 2-2 1.000 2-2 1.000 1 1 2 0.3 2 0 2 1 0 0 10 1.7
11 HERRON, Ronneil.... 5-0 9 1.8 2-3 .667 0-0 .000 2-3 .667 0 5 5 1.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 6 1.2
23 HALL, Gary......... 5-0 6 1.2 1-1 1.000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 2 2 0.4 0 0 2 0 1 1 2 0.4
20 GAINES, Xzavier.... 6-0 21 3.5 1-8 .125 0-3 .000 0-0 .000 1 1 2 0.3 0 0 1 2 0 1 2 0.3
21 BROOKS, Josh....... 5-0 6 1.2 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 1 1 0.2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
02 ALBRIGHT, Tyrone... 7-0 20 2.9 0-2 .000 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 1 1 2 0.3 1 0 1 3 0 2 0 0.0
TEAM............... 46 66 112 3.2 1 6
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Would that year be an exception to the rule? Both from a no true point guard and a freshman leading a team stand point?
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If not, I think we can win a lot of games next year with Stewart playing PG*.
*with beasley, walker and hoskins.
one day you'll remember stewart as you now remember wooldridge. a kid on the big 12 academic all conference team screws up mcmw in a big way.
hoskins tat expose on tv during the okie state game were a step in the right direction.
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I think he may be worth a shot. Just my two cents worth.
what exactly does ksu have to lose? taking evans is pure upside.
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Would that year be an exception to the rule? Both from a no true point guard and a freshman leading a team stand point?
Is Taurean Green really a great "true" point guard?
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/fak/stats?sort=28
I think you just need great scorers to win national titles.
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Tyree Evans was the missing piece to K-State's Big 12 title hopes. Now that he's a Wildcat, I think you guys are going to be really good. Congrats.