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Fan Life => The Endzone Dive => Topic started by: steve dave on January 08, 2010, 11:30:55 PM
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Enough is enough or the best is yet to come? Wayne/Kanye used the living f^ck out of it and made absolute magic. Now, honestly, people are annoying the hell out of me off with it. I wonder if this happened after Peter Frampton made his guitar talk? Would like some michigancat input on this......
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As a follow up (non auto-tune related) because I don't want to start too many new threads:
Best opening 5 seconds in music video history?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppNC0uAaCv0
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I think you are holding the "artists" that use this stuff in too high of esteem.
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I think you are holding the "artists" that use this stuff in too high of esteem.
Are you saying Wayne isn't an artist? Actually had this argument with mrs. dave about 2 hours ago.
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I think you are holding the "artists" that use this stuff in too high of esteem.
Are you saying Wayne isn't an artist? Actually had this argument with mrs. dave about 2 hours ago.
Meh, you'll have to ask SuperG or Russ about the fancy stuff, but mostly I think people who play instruments are "artists,", and the rest are "entertainers."
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I think you are holding the "artists" that use this stuff in too high of esteem.
Are you saying Wayne isn't an artist? Actually had this argument with mrs. dave about 2 hours ago.
Meh, you'll have to ask SuperG or Russ about the fancy stuff, but mostly I think people who play instruments are "artists,", and the rest are "entertainers."
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I think you are holding the "artists" that use this stuff in too high of esteem.
Are you saying Wayne isn't an artist? Actually had this argument with mrs. dave about 2 hours ago.
Meh, you'll have to ask SuperG or Russ about the fancy stuff, but mostly I think people who play instruments are "artists,", and the rest are "entertainers."
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Turn that frown upside down Steven. It's nobody's business what's on your iPod.
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Speaking of Wayne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PglfNDepTyQ
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As a follow up (non auto-tune related) because I don't want to start too many new threads:
Best opening 5 seconds in music video history?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppNC0uAaCv0
Most menacing rock skip in music video history, for sure. Although not auto-tune, it is talk box related - a la Frampton.
This is my fave featuring warehouse and people in chairs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZW9NYX6JZA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZW9NYX6JZA)
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I think you are holding the "artists" that use this stuff in too high of esteem.
Are you saying Wayne isn't an artist? Actually had this argument with mrs. dave about 2 hours ago.
Meh, you'll have to ask SuperG or Russ about the fancy stuff, but mostly I think people who play instruments are "artists,", and the rest are "entertainers."
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Turn that frown upside down Steven. It's nobody's business what's on your iPod.
Trust me bro, I will never be embarrassed by Wayne on my iPod. 8-)
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I think you are holding the "artists" that use this stuff in too high of esteem.
Are you saying Wayne isn't an artist? Actually had this argument with mrs. dave about 2 hours ago.
Meh, you'll have to ask SuperG or Russ about the fancy stuff, but mostly I think people who play instruments are "artists,", and the rest are "entertainers."
love you. couldn't disagree more though.
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I think you are holding the "artists" that use this stuff in too high of esteem.
Are you saying Wayne isn't an artist? Actually had this argument with mrs. dave about 2 hours ago.
Meh, you'll have to ask SuperG or Russ about the fancy stuff, but mostly I think people who play instruments are "artists,", and the rest are "entertainers."
I think it depends on the role they play in making the music. If they help make the music or arrange it or even write it they can be artists. If they are just singing words others have written to music others have made, they are performers. Just imho :dunno:
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SD does Wayne write his own sh*t or does someone ghostwrite it for him? I feel like dying is one of my fav trax to get blazed to.
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SD does Wayne write his own sh*t or does someone ghostwrite it for him? I feel like dying is one of my fav trax to get blazed to.
I think he does everything on his own. Records 24/7
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This is the best use of autotune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dqTrUpmwPg
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I think you are holding the "artists" that use this stuff in too high of esteem.
Are you saying Wayne isn't an artist? Actually had this argument with mrs. dave about 2 hours ago.
Meh, you'll have to ask SuperG or Russ about the fancy stuff, but mostly I think people who play instruments are "artists,", and the rest are "entertainers."
Couldn't agree more actually. People who play instruments are the real talent. People who don't just put on a show with their personalities. See Michael Jackson.
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A couple thoughts:
1) I still think the best of Autotune is yet to come, but you can't just do it half-assed and get away with it any more. So, maybe from now on you won't here autotune on every song on the pop charts, but it will be used well when it makes it there.
2) As far as you jackasses who think that people who don't "play instruments" aren't talented, you can GTFOOMF. You mean to tell me Michael Jackson wasn't talented? Personality/dance moves isn't a talent? You think Michael Jackson was just born moonwalking the f*ck out of people and making bitches faint, or do you think it took some work? You think Aretha Franklin's voice isn't an instrument? You think she isn't talented because she isn't strumming some stupid guitar? Eat a bag of dicks if you think Aretha Franklin isn't talented. Eat a large bag of large dicks.
3) Actually saw Chromeo at Bonnaroo. You should go, SD.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA
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Lil Wayne blows. BLOWS.
Everything Kanye West put out before 808s and Heartbreak was great, after Graduation it gets bad real fast.
Best auto-tuned song out right now... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RMx2435hP4)
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Sad how little talent you have to have (in some cases absolutely none) to make it "big" anymore.
Just have and act and auto-tune . . . your set.
I wouldn't mind $hit like auto tune so much if I knew the person using it could actually sing and they were just using it for some type of effect or a different feel in some songs.
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Sad how little talent you have to have (in some cases absolutely none) to make it "big" anymore.
Just have and act and auto-tune . . . your set.
I wouldn't mind $hit like auto tune so much if I knew the person using it could actually sing and they were just using it for some type of effect or a different feel in some songs.
OK, we can all laugh at KSU Super Fan T-Pain. But, most people who have utilized it already had very successful careers pre-autotune (Waye/Kanye being the two most discussed in this thread)
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you know what auto_tune song I like? I love? Disturbia by Rhianna. Great "jam"
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My only beef (?) with auto-tune is when people use it to try and cover up the fact that they have no abilities. Otherwise, it's all game.
I don't know if this has anything to do with auto-tune/etc., but i'm pretty glad that you don't hear much out of "Moby" anymore.
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Some of you need to do a better job of being snobby. I'll help.
Entertainers known primarily for "putting on a show" (like Kanye or KISS) are like blockbuster action movies. They lack substance and are intended for the mindless and easily amused. Similarly, auto-tune is like the latest special effect used in blockbuster action movies. It can make some cool sounds, but it's not like it does anything worthwhile beyond that.
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Entertainers known primarily for "putting on a show" (like Kanye
EEEENNNNNKKKKKK!!!!! WRONG!
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Entertainers known primarily for "putting on a show" (like Kanye
EEEENNNNNKKKKKK!!!!! WRONG!
He's not known as a producer.
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Entertainers known primarily for "putting on a show" (like Kanye
EEEENNNNNKKKKKK!!!!! WRONG!
He's not known as a producer.
kanye started his career as a producer and is universally known as a really good one. the blueprint.
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Auto-tune is a tool, just like a synthesizer, it takes art and skill to use it well.
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kanye started his career as a producer and is universally known as a really good one. the blueprint.
No one says, "Hey, let's go see Kanye. He used to be a really good producer." Which do you prefer: his rapping or his singing?
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Lil Wayne blows. BLOWS.
Everything Kanye West put out before 808s and Heartbreak was great, after Graduation it gets bad real fast.
Best auto-tuned song out right now... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RMx2435hP4)
lil wayne does NOT blow.
selling out now tho. but still good.
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Lil Wayne blows. BLOWS.
Everything Kanye West put out before 808s and Heartbreak was great, after Graduation it gets bad real fast.
Best auto-tuned song out right now... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RMx2435hP4)
lil wayne does NOT blow.
selling out now tho. but still good.
selling out now? The guy invented the term "bling bling" for chrissakes. Not that selling out's a negative. He's fantastic when he sells out (I'm guessing you mean when he drops a verse for Jay sean or somebody).
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since i never listen to the radio, i havent heard much of the LW that most hear.
he prolly sold out awhile back, but i was forced to listen to radio this week and have heard the brunt of it.
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kanye started his career as a producer and is universally known as a really good one. the blueprint.
No one says, "Hey, let's go see Kanye. He used to be a really good producer." Which do you prefer: his rapping or his singing?
doesn't matter, he's certainly known as a producer. the blueprint. H.O.V.A. 'nuff said, 'gloid.
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since i never listen to the radio, i havent heard much of the LW that most hear.
he prolly sold out awhile back, but i was forced to listen to radio this week and have heard the brunt of it.
I've never heard a Wayne song on the radio in my life fwiw
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since i never listen to the radio, i havent heard much of the LW that most hear.
he prolly sold out awhile back, but i was forced to listen to radio this week and have heard the brunt of it.
I've never heard a Wayne song on the radio in my life fwiw
no, not solo.
he's being '.feat' a lot on these really horrible songs now.
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doesn't matter, he's certainly known as a producer. the blueprint. H.O.V.A. 'nuff said, 'gloid.
That may be the case, but it's not what HOVA's known for either. The point is that Kanye is all about the show. There's nothing wrong with that. And there's nothing wrong with blockbuster action movies.
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since i never listen to the radio, i havent heard much of the LW that most hear.
he prolly sold out awhile back, but i was forced to listen to radio this week and have heard the brunt of it.
I've never heard a Wayne song on the radio in my life fwiw
does omaha not have a black station? I remember rocking out to back that ass up* on a tractor back when I could get power 93.9 out of wichita clearly. Which was most of the time.
*realized wayne commercialized "drop it like it's hot", there, too. Damn. I don't think Lil Wayne could possibly be more fantastic.
since i never listen to the radio, i havent heard much of the LW that most hear.
he prolly sold out awhile back, but i was forced to listen to radio this week and have heard the brunt of it.
I've never heard a Wayne song on the radio in my life fwiw
no, not solo.
he's being '.feat' a lot on these really horrible songs now.
disagree, he makes average songs turn into f*cking gold.
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i agree with that in some way.
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doesn't matter, he's certainly known as a producer. the blueprint. H.O.V.A. 'nuff said, 'gloid.
That may be the case, but it's not what HOVA's known for either. The point is that Kanye is all about the show. There's nothing wrong with that. And there's nothing wrong with blockbuster action movies.
Kanye is known for being great and singing/rapping, as well as performing. He's got substance behind his "show" most action movies lack. (Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is like the Kanye of action movies)
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since i never listen to the radio, i havent heard much of the LW that most hear.
he prolly sold out awhile back, but i was forced to listen to radio this week and have heard the brunt of it.
I've never heard a Wayne song on the radio in my life fwiw
does omaha not have a black station? I remember rocking out to back that ass up* on a tractor back when I could get power 93.9 out of wichita clearly. Which was most of the time.
*realized wayne commercialized "drop it like it's hot", there, too. Damn. I don't think Lil Wayne could possibly be more fantastic.
Probably, I listen exclusively to NPR (LAME THINGS SD DOES ALERT!) in the car
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doesn't matter, he's certainly known as a producer. the blueprint. H.O.V.A. 'nuff said, 'gloid.
That may be the case, but it's not what HOVA's known for either. The point is that Kanye is all about the show. There's nothing wrong with that. And there's nothing wrong with blockbuster action movies.
Kanye is known for being great and singing/rapping, as well as performing. He's got substance behind his "show" most action movies lack. (Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is like the Kanye of action movies)
the last thing Kanye is known for is his rapping :lol:
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he has some pretty sick lines at times.
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doesn't matter, he's certainly known as a producer. the blueprint. H.O.V.A. 'nuff said, 'gloid.
That may be the case, but it's not what HOVA's known for either. The point is that Kanye is all about the show. There's nothing wrong with that. And there's nothing wrong with blockbuster action movies.
Kanye is known for being great and singing/rapping, as well as performing. He's got substance behind his "show" most action movies lack. (Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is like the Kanye of action movies)
the last thing Kanye is known for is his rapping :lol:
true, but he makes good songs anyway.
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his best one. IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQbhJ4_W1gI
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was totally overpowered in the lollipop remix.
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he has some pretty sick lines at times.
he can write, no doubt.
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Ok... here it is.
Auto tune will go down in history as generally annoying. :blank:
Doesn't mean there haven't been a few good tracks where it's been used. These tracks however would have been good jams without the auto tuner. On the flip of the coin, that crappy Kid Rock song would have been just as crappy w/o the auto-tune.
Auto tune works better in an electronic atmosphere like the utlra-rad "One More Time" by Daft Punk. But when it's all said and done it was still pioneered by Cher! CHER people!
I do think it's similar to the voice box phenomenon, but the voice box was not as exploited to such a great extent primarily because the rap/r&b industry didn't exist in order to properly exploit it like only rap/r&b knows how to do. I don't generally like the voice box thing either but it had a couple of bright spots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX5v-S_jGD4
and the end of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX5v-S_jGD4
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Also...
Even though Jacko didn't play instruments on stage he did play an instrument... actually instruments. Piano, Drums and some guitar. He also wrote and arranged nearly all of his music. He can't really be compared to any current pop acts. I really think the only modern solo acts he could be compared to is David Bowie and Prince... both mainly vocalists who wrote their own music almost exclusively and played instruments on occasion.
That doesn't mean that there aren't a handful vocal artists out there that are true artists and not just glorified karaoke crooners. But in the age of American Idols... I guess we deserve whatever the radio station plays.
And just to fan the flames a little bit. I've always thought Lil'Wayne is irritating and Kanye's stuff is significantly more inspired.
Why you ask? :dunno:
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That doesn't mean that there aren't a handful vocal artists out there that are true artists and not just glorified karaoke crooners. But in the age of American Idols... I guess we deserve whatever the radio station plays.
That's really been what pop music has been since radio was invented. There's always a few real "talents", but most get by on personality. Old people just like to yearn for the "good ole days".
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i think it's stupid for people to make fun of american idol, they've produced some talent through that show. i don't see why it matters how someone made it to the radio.
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i think it's stupid for people to make fun of american idol, they've produced some talent through that show. i don't see why it matters how someone made it to the radio.
No two ways about it... American Idols is a success story. I'd personally classify all of the talent that has succeeded there as glorified karaoke artists and I really can't think of one American Idol that's hasn't mostly been reduced to awkward celebrity status within a year of winning. Doesn't mean they aren't selling a crap-ton of records... just not to me.
And for the record, I'm amazing at karaoke! :thumbsup:
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kelly clarkson, while ugly and fat, can sing. carrie underwood doesn't seem very awkward either. of course, they aren't as cool as bands like kings of leon :lol: but why does it matter? :confused:
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Perhaps you're right about Carrie Underwood. I forgot she existed.
Kelly makes feel embarrassed when I watch her. Probably makes me feel different when I hear her sing, but I can't remember any of her songs.
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I don't listen to or like either one of them but to call them glorified karaoke singers pretty much undermines any music credibility you were supposed to have...Every path into the music industry is lame, whether its performing at Manhattan Town Center, playing small town Wal-Mart 20 nights a month, or down in Aggieville, musicians have to do whatever it is they have to do to get discovered. American Idol is just another one of those channels they can use to promote themselves.
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Here is some great autotune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn-0pMac1k4
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I'm not a big fan of him but Chris Daughtry has a pretty solid voice and isn't a musician. :dunno:
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I don't listen to or like either one of them but to call them glorified karaoke singers pretty much undermines any music credibility you were supposed to have...Every path into the music industry is lame, whether its performing at Manhattan Town Center, playing small town Wal-Mart 20 nights a month, or down in Aggieville, musicians have to do whatever it is they have to do to get discovered. American Idol is just another one of those channels they can use to promote themselves.
Then consider my music credibility undermined. I can deal with that.
Basically, I enjoy listening to, talking about (and disagreeing), and playing and performing music. I like what I like and will not act like I like something that I don't like. Unfortunately for my musical credibility, I think just about every thing that has occurred on American Idol is complete sh*te. If that offends you, it's not intentionally meant as personal attack.
I don't claim to have superior musical tastes but I do have a lot of musical experience. Mostly though, I've just listened to a lot of music... but who hasn't?
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I don't listen to or like either one of them but to call them glorified karaoke singers pretty much undermines any music credibility you were supposed to have...Every path into the music industry is lame, whether its performing at Manhattan Town Center, playing small town Wal-Mart 20 nights a month, or down in Aggieville, musicians have to do whatever it is they have to do to get discovered. American Idol is just another one of those channels they can use to promote themselves.
Then consider my music credibility undermined. I can deal with that.
Basically, I enjoy listening to, talking about (and disagreeing), and playing and performing music. I like what I like and will not act like I like something that I don't like. Unfortunately for my musical credibility, I think just about every thing that has occurred on American Idol is complete sh*te. If that offends you, it's not intentionally meant as personal attack.
I don't claim to have superior musical tastes but I do have a lot of musical experience. Mostly though, I've just listened to a lot of music... but who hasn't?
You haven't offended me, you've just made yourself look kinda dumb. No one here is saying the stuff that goes through Idol is great music but they're certainly more than glorified karaoke singers.
At the end of the day you should realize that you don't have to like a musician/group for them not to be "complete sh*te", for them to be more than glorified karaoke singers. Maybe it's a respect thing. Really you're coming off with a pretty elitest attitude; especially hypocritical coming from someone who supposedly loves music and that considers themself a musician.
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As a follow up (non auto-tune related) because I don't want to start too many new threads:
Best opening 5 seconds in music video history?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppNC0uAaCv0
:eek: HA! That's my hood! As in, I live two blocks directly inland from that exact spot on the waterfront.
And, in a magical confluence of thread topics, another video shot in my neighborhood was Jay-Z's "Death of Autotune." In fact, I stopped to watch Jay-Z playing LeBron in basketball for a few minutes after finishing a weekend run last summer:
Death of Autotune (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z13AjI8n4I) @ 3:55+
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As a follow up (non auto-tune related) because I don't want to start too many new threads:
Best opening 5 seconds in music video history?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppNC0uAaCv0
:eek: HA! That's my hood! As in, I live two blocks directly inland from that exact spot on the waterfront.
And, in a magical confluence of thread topics, another video shot in my neighborhood was Jay-Z's "Death of Autotune." In fact, I stopped to watch Jay-Z playing LeBron in basketball for a few minutes after finishing a weekend run last summer:
Death of Autotune (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z13AjI8n4I) @ 3:55+
This is how 1%'ers live. Beaumont?
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As a follow up (non auto-tune related) because I don't want to start too many new threads:
Best opening 5 seconds in music video history?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppNC0uAaCv0
:eek: HA! That's my hood! As in, I live two blocks directly inland from that exact spot on the waterfront.
And, in a magical confluence of thread topics, another video shot in my neighborhood was Jay-Z's "Death of Autotune." In fact, I stopped to watch Jay-Z playing LeBron in basketball for a few minutes after finishing a weekend run last summer:
Death of Autotune (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z13AjI8n4I) @ 3:55+
If everyone has to trade lives with another board member at some point in the future I call dibs on GOSP.
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I don't listen to or like either one of them but to call them glorified karaoke singers pretty much undermines any music credibility you were supposed to have...Every path into the music industry is lame, whether its performing at Manhattan Town Center, playing small town Wal-Mart 20 nights a month, or down in Aggieville, musicians have to do whatever it is they have to do to get discovered. American Idol is just another one of those channels they can use to promote themselves.
Then consider my music credibility undermined. I can deal with that.
Basically, I enjoy listening to, talking about (and disagreeing), and playing and performing music. I like what I like and will not act like I like something that I don't like. Unfortunately for my musical credibility, I think just about every thing that has occurred on American Idol is complete sh*te. If that offends you, it's not intentionally meant as personal attack.
I don't claim to have superior musical tastes but I do have a lot of musical experience. Mostly though, I've just listened to a lot of music... but who hasn't?
You haven't offended me, you've just made yourself look kinda dumb. No one here is saying the stuff that goes through Idol is great music but they're certainly more than glorified karaoke singers.
At the end of the day you should realize that you don't have to like a musician/group for them not to be "complete sh*te", for them to be more than glorified karaoke singers. Maybe it's a respect thing. Really you're coming off with a pretty elitest attitude; especially hypocritical coming from someone who supposedly loves music and that considers themself a musician.
Now I'm a dumb, disrespectful, elitest, with undermined credibility in music because I stated my opinion on a music opinion thread... not to mention a music opinion thread on a college sports forum. :frown:
That's all fine and good. But if there's one thing I want people on KSUfans to know about my opinion of American Idol... if there is one thing that I want to be crystal clear... it's that I don't think all mediocre music "complite sh*te". I do feel that way about American Idol however. Perhaps it's the format, perhaps it's the judges, but I feel it's recipe for a giant pile a steaming pop stars and I'm just not in to that.
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I don't listen to or like either one of them but to call them glorified karaoke singers pretty much undermines any music credibility you were supposed to have...Every path into the music industry is lame, whether its performing at Manhattan Town Center, playing small town Wal-Mart 20 nights a month, or down in Aggieville, musicians have to do whatever it is they have to do to get discovered. American Idol is just another one of those channels they can use to promote themselves.
Then consider my music credibility undermined. I can deal with that.
Basically, I enjoy listening to, talking about (and disagreeing), and playing and performing music. I like what I like and will not act like I like something that I don't like. Unfortunately for my musical credibility, I think just about every thing that has occurred on American Idol is complete sh*te. If that offends you, it's not intentionally meant as personal attack.
I don't claim to have superior musical tastes but I do have a lot of musical experience. Mostly though, I've just listened to a lot of music... but who hasn't?
You haven't offended me, you've just made yourself look kinda dumb. No one here is saying the stuff that goes through Idol is great music but they're certainly more than glorified karaoke singers.
At the end of the day you should realize that you don't have to like a musician/group for them not to be "complete sh*te", for them to be more than glorified karaoke singers. Maybe it's a respect thing. Really you're coming off with a pretty elitest attitude; especially hypocritical coming from someone who supposedly loves music and that considers themself a musician.
Now I'm a dumb, disrespectful, elitest, with undermined credibility in music because I stated my opinion on a music opinion thread... not to mention a music opinion thread on a college sports forum. :frown:
That's all fine and good. But if there's one thing I want people on KSUfans to know about my opinion of American Idol... if there is one thing that I want to be crystal clear... it's that I don't think all mediocre music "complite sh*te". I do feel that way about American Idol however. Perhaps it's the format, perhaps it's the judges, but I feel it's recipe for a giant pile a steaming pop stars and I'm just not in to that.
LOL :flush:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMM0R19IisI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMM0R19IisI)