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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: pissclams on December 08, 2009, 12:58:23 PM
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Good talking point from Petro this morning- 50% of our scoring comes from pullen/clemente comboPAK.
Terrible, I hope they shoot well every game from here on out.
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sucks having 2 guards that can fill up score sheet at any given moment
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Denis and Jake are averaging 33.3 pts combined. We are scoring 81.2 per game. Not 50%. :confused:
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Was at Chipolte, didn't run the numbers, blame it on Petro, dumbasses.
LMAO Chad Rogers loves you dolts...
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Good talking point from Petro this morning- 50% of our scoring comes from pullen/clemente comboPAK.
Terrible, I hope they shoot well every game from here on out.
Actually they are scoring 40.7% of teams points.
At UW the two top scorers are at 48.8%
At Duke the top two scorers are at 42.6%
At UNC the top two scorers are at 36%
This Petro fellow needs to do his homework. :lol:
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Point is still valid, we need more from Judge/Kelly and even Jam-Sam on a consistent basis. Petro was a little over the top with his "could Judge be a bust?" talk, but he made good points.
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Its not about two dudes making up 40% of scoring LOL, _FAN got the point Petro was making
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what's the point? the offense is the awesomest it's been since i started following ksu hoops 20 years ago? i agree :dancin:
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We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league. Just sayin'.
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We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league. Just sayin'.
they average 27 pts and 17 rbs currently so it looks like we are in pretty shape.
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We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league. Just sayin'.
We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league. Just sayin'.
they average 27 pts and 17 rbs currently so it looks like we are in pretty shape.
qft. And that's with them playing very limited minutes in a couple games. These are not good talking points.
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We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league. Just sayin'.
So we're going to score about 60 points per game if Pullen/Clemente aren't close to 50% of our scoring, w/ maybe 15 coming outside of them or the CK/WJ/JS 25 point trio (prob RM/DS mostly).
They need to avg 30+ between them for us to be good this year, one needs to have 20+ and the other 10+ on most nights.... I don't see how this too concerning
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I just want them to be more consistent. Perhaps I'm a bit concerned b/c against WSU we had 13 points and 10 boards from those guys. And I low-balled the numbers and Crushnasty is probably right, 30 points is probably a better target.
There are going to come games where running out Ojeleye and Merri doesn't work b/c Pullen and Clemente aren't lighting it up. Especially when we get on the road in this league. This was the reason we weren't an NCAA tournament last year, and IMO we have a chance to be only a slightly better version of that team if we don't get a little more production (on a consistent basis) from out best 3 bigs (including Sam as a big even if he does play the 3 some).
Then when you get a good offensive game from Sutton and/or the frosh guards hit some shots its gravy and it puts you over the top. Our base has to be Pullen/Sutton AND Kelly/Judge/Samuels, not one or the other. So far this season its been one or the other, if we can get both we can be a very good basketball team.
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We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league. Just sayin'.
they average 27 pts and 17 rbs currently so it looks like we are in pretty shape.
Nicely played :lol:
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JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding. otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end. thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.
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I just want them to be more consistent. Perhaps I'm a bit concerned b/c against WSU we had 13 points and 10 boards from those guys. And I low-balled the numbers and Crushnasty is probably right, 30 points is probably a better target.
There are going to come games where running out Ojeleye and Merri doesn't work b/c Pullen and Clemente aren't lighting it up. Especially when we get on the road in this league. This was the reason we weren't an NCAA tournament last year, and IMO we have a chance to be only a slightly better version of that team if we don't get a little more production (on a consistent basis) from out best 3 bigs (including Sam as a big even if he does play the 3 some).
Then when you get a good offensive game from Sutton and/or the frosh guards hit some shots its gravy and it puts you over the top. Our base has to be Pullen/Sutton AND Kelly/Judge/Samuels, not one or the other. So far this season its been one or the other, if we can get both we can be a very good basketball team.
Let me get this straight. If our players play well, then we are a better basketball team? And if our players don't score or rebound as much, then we are a worse basketball team? Good point. :jerkoff:
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mcmwcat absolutely embarassing people here.
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JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding. otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end. thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.
it's a problem when you rely on undersized streaky shooting guards to carry your offense from beyond the 3 pt line. sad you can't recognize that :lol: mcmwku fan ? LMA( )
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We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league. Just sayin'.
they average 27 pts and 17 rbs currently so it looks like we are in pretty shape.
Nicely played :lol:
I won't disagree that it was.
But I don't see how anyone can't see we aren't getting consistent performances out of this group.
Samuels has been the most consistent, but he's still had 2 games where he scored 2 and 4 points respectively. Still, he's played like an 11 point and 6 board guy which is what I expect from him.
And I agree a bit with Petro, Judge has been a bit of a disappointment so far, but I'm not concerned. For certain IMO he has to be more than a 4.5-3.6 guy for us, those numbers probably need to be about double that. Granted, he's only playing 15 mpg right now, but even with those minutes he needs to produce a bit more.
I think we all know about Kelly and trying to wake him up. And I think Kelly's numbers are a bit inflated from the first 4 games, I don't think he's played like an 11-7 guy lately. He's probably the one we need to step up the most b/c he's an experienced player.
Again, I am probalby going to far, but I still think Petro's point about production from our bigs is fair, especially Kelly and Judge. Those guys just need to prove to be more "bought in" and therefore consistent players for this team to reach the expectations most of us have.
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I think Clemente and Pullen are above average, but I think our front line has the potential to be better, relative to our opponents. I, too would like to see the bigs more involved in offense because of this fact. Kelly at the block, Samuels at the wing against a 4, Judge in transition, etc. create bigger problems for teams than what ClemPull can create, IMO. (Although Pullen has improved a ton on offense).
And that frontcout passing! :love:
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JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding. otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end. thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.
it's a problem when you rely on undersized streaky shooting guards to carry your offense from beyond the 3 pt line. sad you can't recognize that :lol: mcmwku fan ? LMA( )
So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can. Good plan. :thumbsup:
I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all. "guards are streaky shooters" they say. Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose.
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! :love:
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mcmwcat absolutely embarassing people here.
ya, himself. LMAO. :lol: :lol:
I think Clemente and Pullen are above average, but I think our front line has the potential to be better, relative to our opponents. I, too would like to see the bigs more involved in offense because of this fact. Kelly at the block, Samuels at the wing against a 4, Judge in transition, etc. create bigger problems for teams than what ClemPull can create, IMO. (Although Pullen has improved a ton on offense).
And that frontcout passing! :love:
yup
JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding. otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end. thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.
it's a problem when you rely on undersized streaky shooting guards to carry your offense from beyond the 3 pt line. sad you can't recognize that :lol: mcmwku fan ? LMA( )
So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can. Good plan. :thumbsup:
I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all. "guards are streaky shooters" they say. Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose.
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! :love:
it's called balanced scoring, dumbass. and CK is not a first year player. dumbass. :lol:
no one here said it was a bad thing to have guards that can score. dumbass. :lol:
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JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding. otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end. thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.
it's a problem when you rely on undersized streaky shooting guards to carry your offense from beyond the 3 pt line. sad you can't recognize that :lol: mcmwku fan ? LMA( )
So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can. Good plan. :thumbsup:
I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all. "guards are streaky shooters" they say. Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose.
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! :love:
No one said that relying on guards is bad. But this team relying on guards with inconsistent post play is a .500 Big 12 team. That's all I'm saying. If that's what this team is, so be it.
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So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can. Good plan. :thumbsup:
I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all. "guards are streaky shooters" they say. Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose.
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! :love:
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Bext guard nickname of all time
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mcmwcat absolutely embarassing people here.
ya, himself. LMAO. :lol: :lol:
I think Clemente and Pullen are above average, but I think our front line has the potential to be better, relative to our opponents. I, too would like to see the bigs more involved in offense because of this fact. Kelly at the block, Samuels at the wing against a 4, Judge in transition, etc. create bigger problems for teams than what ClemPull can create, IMO. (Although Pullen has improved a ton on offense).
And that frontcout passing! :love:
yup
JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding. otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end. thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.
it's a problem when you rely on undersized streaky shooting guards to carry your offense from beyond the 3 pt line. sad you can't recognize that :lol: mcmwku fan ? LMA( )
So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can. Good plan. :thumbsup:
I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all. "guards are streaky shooters" they say. Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose.
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! :love:
it's called balanced scoring, dumbass. and CK is not a first year player. dumbass. :lol:
no one here said it was a bad thing to have guards that can score. dumbass. :lol:
Methinks I caught a little nerve there pclams. Take it easy bro. I know what balanced scoring is. I'm not a fan, or at least not as much as you apparently. CK is playing his first year for Kansas State and has really not "bought in" 100% so I classify him as first year. Get over it. And yes, no came right out and said it but you and _Fan are clearly against scoring guards. It's obvious. :bootyshake:
Answer this question: Would you rather have 4 guys average 10 ppg or one avg 20, one avg 10 and two avg 5. In the end, it doesn't really matter as long as the ball goes in the hole. Balanced scoring is so fracking overrated. It's a very SLTH of you all to love anyway.
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FWIW, I could care less about balanced scoring. I just want us to exploit our best matchup advantages as often as possible, and our bigs will provide it more than ClemPull.
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So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can. Good plan. :thumbsup:
I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all. "guards are streaky shooters" they say. Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose.
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! :love:
I will now be using this whenever refering to our backcourt. And thank you. Not gonna lie, I'm pretty proud of it. 8-)
Bext guard nickname of all time
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FWIW, I could care less about balanced scoring. I just want us to exploit our best matchup advantages as often as possible, and our bigs will provide it more than ClemPull.
Well said Rusty. That's really I'm trying to say as well.
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FWIW, I could care less about balanced scoring. I just want us to exploit our best matchup advantages as often as possible, and our bigs will provide it more than ClemPull.
this is a very well written post. i shouldn't draw the line in the sand w/ balanced scoring b/c i don't care about that all that much but what's important is not relying on dumbass guards to carry the team on the offensive end.
so forget balanced scoring. dumbf^cks. :flush:
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FWIW, I could care less about balanced scoring. I just want us to exploit our best matchup advantages as often as possible, and our bigs will provide it more than ClemPull.
this is a very well written post. i shouldn't draw the line in the sand w/ balanced scoring b/c i don't care about that all that much but what's important is not relying on dumbass guards to carry the team on the offensive end.
so forget balanced scoring. dumbf^cks. :flush:
LOLL!!! You crack me up dood. I knew you were just against scoring guards all along!! I still :love: you though.
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If there's anything that our bigs need to do it's rebound better.
ku gets 31.2ppg from X and Sharon…..KSU gets 33.3ppg from Jake and Denis.
ku's top 3 bigs (Cole and the M Twins) get 29.7ppg but also get 21.7 rpg…..KSU gets 27.3 ppg from Kelly, Jamar, Wally but only 16.2rpg.
And I'll go ahead and assume more rpg will prolly mean a little more ppg for the bigs and a little less ppg for the guards.
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what do you guys thinksys about our perimeter defense? thoughts?
personally i think it sucks. thoughts? (chad rogers).
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So, I stopped reading this thread about halfway through to ask: why are people expecting us to perform consistently at the beginning of December? Do we not know the drill yet? We'll be a far better team a month from now than we are today. Simply a fact of life.
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mcmwcat absolutely embarassing people here.
like shooting fish
it's a problem when you rely on undersized streaky shooting guards to carry your offense from beyond the 3 pt line.
sad ... lots of freakishly gigantic post men who really want to be guards think this way.
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what do you guys thinksys about our perimeter defense? thoughts?
personally i think it sucks. thoughts? (chad rogers).
it's terrible. especially clemente and his total lack of lateral quickness. but the title of this topic doesn't have the word defense in it.
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what do you guys thinksys about our perimeter defense? thoughts?
personally i think it sucks. thoughts? (chad rogers).
it's terrible. especially clemente and his total lack of lateral quickness. but the title of this topic doesn't have the word defense in it.
don't worry about the title of the topic, you haven't made one salient point specific to our offense yet in this thread, no reason to focus on it now. sounds like you have our perimeter defense locked in. any thoughts on our interior passing?
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any thoughts on our interior passing?
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=47308.msg665185#msg665185
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But who on this team has what it takes to be a go-to, crunch time, down by 1 with 10 ticks offensive guy? I feel like Kelly is the only one with that potential.
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But who on this team has what it takes to be a go-to, crunch time, down by 1 with 10 ticks offensive guy? I feel like Kelly is the only one with that potential.
JACOB FREAKING PULLEN (complete w/ beard).
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But who on this team has what it takes to be a go-to, crunch time, down by 1 with 10 ticks offensive guy? I feel like Kelly is the only one with that potential.
JACOB FREAKING PULLEN (complete w/ beard).
Much as I hate to say it, I feel like Jake struggles to create his own shot inside the arc in the halfcourt set. Especially in conference, his barreling toward the basket style usually results in a swat or a no-call as he becomes a skid mark on the OOD floor.
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We won 22 games last year using only streaky shooters, no CK no WJ. What is the problem here? Scoring from those two will come. Lets see how tonight plays out with our bigs then we can panic.
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We won 22 games last year using only streaky shooters, no CK no WJ. What is the problem here? Scoring from those two will come. Lets see how tonight plays out with our bigs then we can panic.
N.I.T.!!
N.I.T.!!
N.I.T.!!
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Ok I will say it again, Ill slow it down this time. That was without relevent bigs at all. Are you saying DK and Colon will fare better in the big 12 then CK an improved JS and WJ. I personally don't see it. Plus we didn't make the tourney last year because of win count. We didnt get in because of RPI and big wins. We already have wins against Dayton and Wash State with an RPI ranked 10th right now.
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any thoughts on our interior passing?
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=47308.msg665185#msg665185
Like so many other things with KSU basketball these days, it's not so much that they're good as that they're not as retarted as their predecessors.
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Ok I will say it again, Ill slow it down this time. That was without relevent bigs at all. Are you saying DK and Colon will fare better in the big 12 then CK an improved JS and WJ. I personally don't see it. Plus we didn't make the tourney last year because of win count. We didnt get in because of RPI and big wins. We already have wins against Dayton and Wash State with an RPI ranked 10th right now.
Dayton and Wash St are not marquee wins.
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Dayton will probably win there conference making them a tourney team..............not a key win?
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any thoughts on our interior passing?
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=47308.msg665185#msg665185
Like so many other things with KSU basketball these days, it's not so much that they're good as that they're not as retarted as their predecessors.
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And I'll say again like I said there: that's false. Our interior passing is good, not just better than our crap teams.
Allow yourselves to BELIEVE, people.
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I'm firmly in the balanced scoring camp, it gives opponents more people to worry about, and not that I have any statistics, but it seems like a guy who scores 10 pts a game is more likely to go off for 20+ than a guy that scores 5 points a game. I'd rather have 4 guys like that than 2.
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Thank goodness that Frank reads this board. Definite focus on the bigs tonight.
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Now if the guards would just do their part. Good job Kelly.
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If there's anything that our bigs need to do it's rebound better.
ku gets 31.2ppg from X and Sharon…..KSU gets 33.3ppg from Jake and Denis.
ku's top 3 bigs (Cole and the M Twins) get 29.7ppg but also get 21.7 rpg…..KSU gets 27.3 ppg from Kelly, Jamar, Wally but only 16.2rpg.
And I'll go ahead and assume more rpg will prolly mean a little more ppg for the bigs and a little less ppg for the guards.
thanks, bigs.
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Good interior passing again tonight.
:gocho:
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our offense is incredibly balanced :koolaid:
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Love this formula for winning. DC/JP FTW!
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Man. our PG's sure poured in alot of points tonight. totally unbalanced.
we need to correct that :rolleyes:
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ya because i bet that pullen shoots like he did last night, in every single game. dumbass.
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59 points from guards
36 points from forwards
Not bad at all, it just is "out of wack" (not in a bad way) b/c we had a ridic night from Jake and more than average from Clemente, but 36 from our forwards is acceptable. When this happens it just means we are going to win big, and we did.
But if we can get 35+ from the forwards, that's a pretty good move toward balance. I think expecting 40 or so from the guards is reasonable, and 75 will win us most games.
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ya because i bet that pullen shoots like he did last night, in every single game. dumbass.
Yeah, Pullen obviously had an unconscious night from the field. But, that crap happens. But, even if he had an average night, going 3-10 (3pt) with 16 points, we still win that game.
We may not be perfect, but our offense looks better every time we take the floor. The attack is become more balanced. Slowly but surely.
Hopefully, the trend continues into big xii play.
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I still think balanced scoring is for losers and 'clams. Leave the balanced scoring for crapty teams like 'olorado and 'NLV. JMO.
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The amount of open looks that Den-ney and Jake got were incredible and frankly off a simple little screen or simple ball rotation in most cases . . . if they're going to get that many open looks they need to fire away and make shots, it's not difficult.
Couple that with the fact that they ran the break possibly better than any K-State team I've ever seen, then got some great slashes to the bucket from Dom . . . when they play like that they can potentially score in any matter of ways. Lets face it, Dom is outstanding when he's gets the ball with a little space between himself and the rack, he's got long arms, he can jump, he's physical and guys don't want to get in his way when he's got some momentum behind him.
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Couple that with the fact that they ran the break possibly better than any K-State team I've ever seen, then got some great slashes to the bucket from Dom . . . when they play like that they can potentially score in any matter of ways. Lets face it, Dom is outstanding when he's gets the ball with a little space between himself and the rack, he's got long arms, he can jump, he's physical and guys don't want to get in his way when he's got some momentum behind him.
Plus he's just incredibly strong. He can score with 3 guys hanging on him. He's become a pretty decent passer this year as well, 3rd on the team in assists right now.
His biggest deal is staying away from the touch fouls and over the backs.
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I still think balanced scoring is for losers and 'clams. Leave the balanced scoring for crapty teams like 'olorado and 'NLV. JMO.
i already stated that i was wrong when i used the term "balanced scoring"
more than anything else i just don't want to over rely on average players to win games.
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Couple that with the fact that they ran the break possibly better than any K-State team I've ever seen, then got some great slashes to the bucket from Dom . . . when they play like that they can potentially score in any matter of ways. Lets face it, Dom is outstanding when he's gets the ball with a little space between himself and the rack, he's got long arms, he can jump, he's physical and guys don't want to get in his way when he's got some momentum behind him.
Plus he's just incredibly strong. He can score with 3 guys hanging on him. He's become a pretty decent passer this year as well, 3rd on the team in assists right now.
His biggest deal is staying away from the touch fouls and over the backs.
turnovers
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I still think balanced scoring is for losers and 'clams. Leave the balanced scoring for crapty teams like 'olorado and 'NLV. JMO.
i already stated that i was wrong when i used the term "balanced scoring"
more than anything else i just don't want to over rely on average players to win games.
I can agree with that. But I think our guards are a little above average. If that's not what you're saying, then I apologize in advance.
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FWIW, I could care less about balanced scoring. I just want us to exploit our best matchup advantages as often as possible, and our bigs will provide it more than ClemPull.
this is a very well written post. i shouldn't draw the line in the sand w/ balanced scoring b/c i don't care about that all that much but what's important is not relying on dumbass guards to carry the team on the offensive end.
so forget balanced scoring. dumbf^cks. :flush:
bump
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great bump and great news that frank understood that we needed to get our bigs involved. so that on nights like last night when clemente and pullen play like sh*t, we don't lose by 30.
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great bump and great news that frank understood that we needed to get our bigs involved. so that on nights like last night when clemente and pullen play like sh*t, we don't lose by 30.
he prob. read this thread.
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he prob read my mind. also read my mind on parade thoughts too, mentioned last night on radio post game.