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Fan Life => The Endzone Dive => Topic started by: opcat on November 21, 2009, 10:53:22 PM
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Walmart. $598 for 40" Samsung and sony.
50" Sanyo 720p for $598.
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My god I would have to imagine 720p on 50" looks absolutely horrible.
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Nope, I've got a 50" plasma 720p and it looks great.
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My god I would have to imagine 720p on 50" looks absolutely horrible.
the human body is unable to recognize the difference of 720 v 1080 at distances greater than @11ft. lol at watching a fifty inch tv any closer than that.
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ESPN broadcasts at 720p. As does Fox.
i have a 52 inch sony. you could sit 6 inches away or 16 feet away, you will not notice any difference between 720 and 1080. impossible.
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My god I would have to imagine 720p on 50" looks absolutely horrible.
the human body is unable to recognize the difference of 720 v 1080 at distances greater than @11ft. lol at watching a fifty inch tv any closer than that.
It depends on the size of the tv. And your "stat" is referencing a human viewing a still image. Moving video is very noticable, however.
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My god I would have to imagine 720p on 50" looks absolutely horrible.
the human body is unable to recognize the difference of 720 v 1080 at distances greater than @11ft. lol at watching a fifty inch tv any closer than that.
It depends on the size of the tv. And your "stat" is referencing a human viewing a still image. Moving video is very noticable, however.
1) duh.
2) no.
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Moving images matter, since 1080i and 1080p are the same resolution, but I can't speak for his "stat"
Also, when buying a large TV, why would you rationalize "Well, if I sit back far enough it will look the same"
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Moving images matter, since 1080i and 1080p are the same resolution, but I can't speak for his "stat"
Also, when buying a large TV, why would you rationalize "Well, if I sit back far enough it will look the same"
who the frack wants to sit four feet away from a 50 inch screen? that's retarded. the whole resolution talk is basically retarded as well. it's a less important aspect of picture quality then contrast ratio, color saturation and color accuracy. overall just a retarded/worthless talking point with lots of misinformation.
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You are probably one of those guys who owns a TN panel ??? :lol:
Also, this isn't about how far you sit from the TV, or resolution (very important if you use your TV for multiple things...other than just a TV) its about getting a lower quality screen because if you sit far enough away it will be hard to notice.
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You are probably one of those guys who owns a TN panel ??? :lol:
Also, this isn't about how far you sit from the TV, or resolution (very important if you use your TV for multiple things...other than just a TV) its about getting a lower quality screen because if you sit far enough away it will be hard to notice.
well then, you win i guess. have fun sitting four feet away from your fifty inch 1080 set. your viewing experience should be fantastic. enjoy.
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You are probably one of those guys who owns a TN panel ??? :lol:
Also, this isn't about how far you sit from the TV, or resolution (very important if you use your TV for multiple things...other than just a TV) its about getting a lower quality screen because if you sit far enough away it will be hard to notice.
well then, you win i guess. have fun sitting four feet away from your fifty inch 1080 set. your viewing experience should be fantastic. enjoy.
http://hd.engadget.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/
According to that chart, 10' away from a 50" tv is the border between seeing a noticeable difference between 1080p and 720p. Not 4'.
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You are probably one of those guys who owns a TN panel ??? :lol:
Also, this isn't about how far you sit from the TV, or resolution (very important if you use your TV for multiple things...other than just a TV) its about getting a lower quality screen because if you sit far enough away it will be hard to notice.
well then, you win i guess. have fun sitting four feet away from your fifty inch 1080 set. your viewing experience should be fantastic. enjoy.
http://hd.engadget.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/
According to that chart, 10' away from a 50" tv is the border between seeing a noticeable difference between 1080p and 720p. Not 4'.
you know what ewx4? you are not adding a whole lot to the conversation here. i already stated earlier in this thread that the distance was around 11 ft. this will vary some from individual to individual to individual though as not everyone has 20/20 vision. did your post have a point or do you just enjoy regurgitating information that i've already presented? glad to see you dropped the incredibly stupid moving image talking point from earlier in the thread though. thanks for that. now if you'd just shut up entirely we'd really be getting somewhere.
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Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.
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Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.
the point is this. there are tards like you and hemmy that don't know a whole lot about vision in general and what makes for a quality picture/viewing experience. you only know 720 and 1080 and automatically assume that a 1080 set is better than a 720 one. you do not understand that resolution is not as important as several other things and not important at all when seated at a normal viewing distance. you are simple minded and that's ok. the television marketing has worked on you guys. it does on a lot of people, don't feel bad.
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:billypopcorn:
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My Panasonic 50" 720p plasma has a much better picture than my buddies Sharp 52" 1080p LCD (2 years newer) and even he admits it. The LCD has a lot of artifacting (is that a word?) that my plasma has never had and never will.
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Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.
the point is this. there are tards like you and hemmy that don't know a whole lot about vision in general and what makes for a quality picture/viewing experience. you only know 720 and 1080 and automatically assume that a 1080 set is better than a 720 one. you do not understand that resolution is not as important as several other things and not important at all when seated at a normal viewing distance. you are simple minded and that's ok. the television marketing has worked on you guys. it does on a lot of people, don't feel bad.
So because there are other important things makes it not important at all? Well lets make a thread about response time so we can all be in agreement 2 ms panels are awesome, because nobody is arguing about those other things. Just you.
What a dipcrap.
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My Panasonic 50" 720p plasma has a much better picture than my buddies Sharp 52" 1080p LCD (2 years newer) and even he admits it. The LCD has a lot of artifacting (is that a word?) that my plasma has never had and never will.
I'm pretty sure this has to do with resolution and is a great example that should influence everyone when purchasing.
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Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.
the point is this. there are tards like you and hemmy that don't know a whole lot about vision in general and what makes for a quality picture/viewing experience. you only know 720 and 1080 and automatically assume that a 1080 set is better than a 720 one. you do not understand that resolution is not as important as several other things and not important at all when seated at a normal viewing distance. you are simple minded and that's ok. the television marketing has worked on you guys. it does on a lot of people, don't feel bad.
So because there are other important things makes it not important at all?
it makes it less important then the things that are more important then it and not important at all for normal viewing distances. how do you not get this?
people like you and hemmy (judging by what you've both posted so far) don't really have an appreciation for the rest of what goes into making a quality picture. it's ok though, that's why companies print whether it's 720 or 1080 in big letters on the box and display units for you guys. 1080 let's you know to just pay the extra money and purchase it, because 1080 is bigger then 720 and therefore must be better. it's called marketing and judging by how clueless people seem to be about the subject, it's very good marketing.
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Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.
the point is this. there are tards like you and hemmy that don't know a whole lot about vision in general and what makes for a quality picture/viewing experience. you only know 720 and 1080 and automatically assume that a 1080 set is better than a 720 one. you do not understand that resolution is not as important as several other things and not important at all when seated at a normal viewing distance. you are simple minded and that's ok. the television marketing has worked on you guys. it does on a lot of people, don't feel bad.
So because there are other important things makes it not important at all?
it makes it less important then the things that are more important then it and not important at all for normal viewing distances. how do you not get this?
people like you and hemmy (judging by what you've both posted so far) don't really have an appreciation for the rest of what goes into making a quality picture. it's ok though, that's why companies print whether it's 720 or 1080 in big letters on the box and display units for you guys. 1080 let's you know to just pay the extra money and purchase it, because 1080 is bigger then 720 and therefore must be better. it's called marketing and judging by how clueless people seem to be about the subject, it's very good marketing.
Judging by what we've posted? We made a comment lol'ing about 720p on a 50". How does that figure into our knowledge of contrast ratio, black accuracy, video processors, etc? This is why you're a dipcrap who's pretending to be a stuck up dumb &@#% from avsforums.
If you really want to talk like you know something, you should have said you should match optimum resolution for what ever you watch the most. All but 4 or 5 channels broadcast in 1080i/p, therefore a 1080p screen would be best no matter what. Artifacts and compression will screw the picture up more than anything else.
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no channels broadcast in 1080p :dunno: i know one of the satellite providors upconverts but that's not the same.
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I know a guy named Jason that could put this thread to rest if he posted here.
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no channels broadcast in 1080p :dunno: i know one of the satellite providors upconverts but that's not the same.
At the moment, no broadcasts are recorded in 1080p. If Direct TV broadcasts in 1080p and your Tv downsamples to 720p, that's where the problem comes into play. The video processors are a lot better than what they used to be, but there are still issues. Especially with cheaper TV's.
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my television would get bitchslapped if it even thought about downsampling a 1080p signal.
i'm telling you though, 720p looks great and you would not be able to tell the difference b/w CBS (1080i) and ESPN (720p) on it.
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Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.
the point is this. there are tards like you and hemmy that don't know a whole lot about vision in general and what makes for a quality picture/viewing experience. you only know 720 and 1080 and automatically assume that a 1080 set is better than a 720 one. you do not understand that resolution is not as important as several other things and not important at all when seated at a normal viewing distance. you are simple minded and that's ok. the television marketing has worked on you guys. it does on a lot of people, don't feel bad.
So because there are other important things makes it not important at all?
it makes it less important then the things that are more important then it and not important at all for normal viewing distances. how do you not get this?
people like you and hemmy (judging by what you've both posted so far) don't really have an appreciation for the rest of what goes into making a quality picture. it's ok though, that's why companies print whether it's 720 or 1080 in big letters on the box and display units for you guys. 1080 let's you know to just pay the extra money and purchase it, because 1080 is bigger then 720 and therefore must be better. it's called marketing and judging by how clueless people seem to be about the subject, it's very good marketing.
Judging by what we've posted? We made a comment lol'ing about 720p on a 50". How does that figure into our knowledge of contrast ratio, black accuracy, video processors, etc? This is why you're a dipcrap who's pretending to be a stuck up dumb frack from avsforums.
If you really want to talk like you know something, you should have said you should match optimum resolution for what ever you watch the most. All but 4 or 5 channels broadcast in 1080i/p, therefore a 1080p screen would be best no matter what. Artifacts and compression will screw the picture up more than anything else.
lol. no to pretty much everything you just posted.
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Would you jerks stop lecturing each other and tell me what tv to buy?
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My buddy who seems to know about these things (I do not) informed me that I could NOT buy a TV at Wal-Mart because their models are downmarket versions of what you get elsewhere. He pointed out the model numbers are slightly different at Wal-Mart. Just regurgitating something I heard -- you guys will let me know if it's accurate, I'm sure.
By the way, he has a 50 inch screen -- at least -- and his couch is only about six feet from the screen. (Small apartment.) How do you like them apples?
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It is absolutely true that you can't just go by the numbers. Any video geek will tell you that you really need to take a TV home and set it up under your conditions to tell if a TV is really going to work out or not.
I was just in a HH Gregg the other day, and they still sell the Mitsubishi DLP projector TV's and in terms of "cinematic" viewing I thought they absolutely blew away all the LCD's and Plasma TV's. I still have a hard time with a lot of LCD when I look at them with the "ghosting" and "chop". . . albeit the faster LCD's are better. I can't judge yet if the new LED LCD's are just over the top awesome, or absolutely fake in their coloring.
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I've always read that no stations (for the forseeable future) will broadcast in true 1080p, due to the massive bandwidth it would entail. DirecTv could do it, but it would cut their HD channel-capability by over 90%. Maybe things have changed very recently but, Blu-Ray aside, 1080p-ranting is akin to H1N1-ranting from my perspective.
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Would you jerks stop lecturing each other and tell me what tv to buy?
kougs, not an expert, this looks like a good deal:
http://www.adorama.com/LOT42PQ10.html?emailprice=t
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I've always read that no stations (for the forseeable future) will broadcast in true 1080p, due to the massive bandwidth it would entail. DirecTv could do it, but it would cut their HD channel-capability by over 90%. Maybe things have changed very recently but, Blu-Ray aside, 1080p-ranting is akin to H1N1-ranting from my perspective.
and this guys name is mensacat so...
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Kinda OT but I have a 19" orion T.V. with VCR built into it for sale. The VCR eats tapes sometimes but it works sometimes too, you can have the movie that is in it right now (can't get it out). I bought it new in 1994. Willing to part with this beaut for cheap, act now I know it won't last long.
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Would you jerks stop lecturing each other and tell me what tv to buy?
This. Spent all day looking stuff up and reading reviews (that ironically sounded a lot like this thread).
Still no closer really.
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Still worried about 60hz versus 120hz
hs LCD tvs.
May not be good for sports.
i'll stick with plasma until that is clarified.
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Still worried about 60hz versus 120hs LCD tvs.
May not be good for sports.
i'll stick with plasma until that is clarified.
goddammit i don't even know what that means.
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Alright, HTVIQ folks, I'm now officially in the market for a 50-ish inch HDTV.
Plasma or LCD?
If 1080P isn't the real key, what is? Hertz? What is good for that?
Let's do it folks.
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Alright, HTVIQ folks, I'm now officially in the market for a 50-ish inch HDTV.
Plasma or LCD?
If 1080P isn't the real key, what is? Hertz? What is good for that?
Let's do it folks.
LED
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Alright, HTVIQ folks, I'm now officially in the market for a 50-ish inch HDTV.
Plasma or LCD?
If 1080P isn't the real key, what is? Hertz? What is good for that?
Let's do it folks.
Plasma and LCD are pretty much even at this point. Just look up reviews of specific models. LED's are pretty cool. Definitely get 1080p. Go to the store to see if you like 120+ Hz. Some people think it looks too fake. Contrast ratio is important. input/outputs are important. Just read reviews of whatever you're looking at because it's the small things that will get to you more than just numbers on a spec sheet. Whatever you get, make sure to pick up a $10 calibration disc. It makes a world of difference.
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Alright, HTVIQ folks, I'm now officially in the market for a 50-ish inch HDTV.
Plasma or LCD?
If 1080P isn't the real key, what is? Hertz? What is good for that?
Let's do it folks.
I have a 46 inch Toshiba 1080p. I haven't had it all that long, little under a year, but I absolutely love it. It's only 60hz but that has never effected watching tv or b rays. Every once and a while it'll cause my ps3 to lag a little, but other than that I have had no problems running any of my stuff on my 60hz. I agree with Ew2, just do some research and go with the one you like the most. I love Toshiba products and was specifically looking for one. Some people hate 'em, but I've always had good experiences with Toshiba, so I love 'em.
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Plasmas = good black levels and contrast but they are dim.
LCD = good brightness but some don't make good blacks. Newer LED types cost more and have better blacks.
Rooms that are bright are better for LCD.
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Who knew that op was such an HD TV nut? :dunno:
Seriously though, thanks for updating us op, nothing better than HD TV's on sale. :lick:
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Kind of want a projector for movies/gaming/fun/whatever. Have a 50" Sammy Plas in my living room. And projectors can be found for ~%450+. Any ideas on what to look for comparisons between diff models, since I'm only used to looking at specs for TVs? Also, screen really necessary if I have a clean white wall in my room?
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Alright, HTVIQ folks, I'm now officially in the market for a 50-ish inch HDTV.
Plasma or LCD?
If 1080P isn't the real key, what is? Hertz? What is good for that?
Let's do it folks.
Plasma and LCD are pretty much even at this point. Just look up reviews of specific models. LED's are pretty cool. Definitely get 1080p. Go to the store to see if you like 120+ Hz. Some people think it looks too fake. Contrast ratio is important. input/outputs are important. Just read reviews of whatever you're looking at because it's the small things that will get to you more than just numbers on a spec sheet. Whatever you get, make sure to pick up a $10 calibration disc. It makes a world of difference.
Thanks bro. ...What is a calibration disc?
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Kinda OT but I have a 19" orion T.V. with VCR built into it for sale. The VCR eats tapes sometimes but it works sometimes too, you can have the movie that is in it right now (can't get it out). I bought it new in 1994. Willing to part with this beaut for cheap, act now I know it won't last long.
:dancin:
Hopefully you haven't sold it. This would be a great Christmas gift for my parents. They would be able stick on top of broken wooden console tv. Hopefully the VCR is not a porno mom would be like :yikes: and dad would be like :woohoo: & :fatty:. Dont need any young siblings you know.
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Alright, HTVIQ folks, I'm now officially in the market for a 50-ish inch HDTV.
Plasma or LCD?
If 1080P isn't the real key, what is? Hertz? What is good for that?
Let's do it folks.
Plasma and LCD are pretty much even at this point. Just look up reviews of specific models. LED's are pretty cool. Definitely get 1080p. Go to the store to see if you like 120+ Hz. Some people think it looks too fake. Contrast ratio is important. input/outputs are important. Just read reviews of whatever you're looking at because it's the small things that will get to you more than just numbers on a spec sheet. Whatever you get, make sure to pick up a $10 calibration disc. It makes a world of difference.
Thanks bro. ...What is a calibration disc?
http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Video-Essentials-Entertainment-Component/dp/B00005PJ70/ref=pd_sim_e_2
Just get it used for cheap. Make sure it comes with the color filters. It puts up a bunch of test patterns and you adjust your setting according to what they say you should be seeing. When I got my HDTV, I adjusted to what I thought looked pretty good. I borrowed a disc from my friend and calibrated it. It's night and day the difference in quality.
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panasonic plasmas are a little cheaper than similar sized quality LCDs. don't skimp. LED's are great if you have money to burn on a good one, most of the affordable ones aren't even true LED television, they're side lit LCDs.
i have no motion issues w/ my LCD, it's a 1080p Sony w/ 120Hz processing. this television has withstood several PAKs.
dark room, no windows/little glare: plasma
windows, possible glare issues: LCD
don't even worry about the calibration disc, just go to AVS forums, find the calibration thread w/ your specific model, then play around with a few different people's calibrations, see which one looks best to you. you can discern which configs are the best by reading the threads and just start with those.
and don't buy expensive HDMI cables, just buy one from monoprice.com
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dark room, no windows/little glare: plasma
windows, possible glare issues: LCD
don't even worry about the calibration disc, just go to AVS forums, find the calibration thread w/ your specific model, then play around with a few different people's calibrations, see which one looks best to you. you can discern which configs are the best by reading the threads and just start with those.
and don't buy expensive HDMI cables, just buy one from monoprice.com
yes to all of this. also buy the wall mount from mono. total it will save you around a hundred bucks.
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panasonic plasmas are a little cheaper than similar sized quality LCDs. don't skimp. LED's are great if you have money to burn on a good one, most of the affordable ones aren't even true LED television, they're side lit LCDs.
i have no motion issues w/ my LCD, it's a 1080p Sony w/ 120Hz processing. this television has withstood several PAKs.
dark room, no windows/little glare: plasma
windows, possible glare issues: LCD
don't even worry about the calibration disc, just go to AVS forums, find the calibration thread w/ your specific model, then play around with a few different people's calibrations, see which one looks best to you. you can discern which configs are the best by reading the threads and just start with those.
and don't buy expensive HDMI cables, just buy one from monoprice.com
AVS is a good place, for sure. I tried a lot of their settings for my new tv and was not at all happy with them though. I could find decent settings for my other tv though. It's hit or miss.
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buy a consumer reports at a bookstore.
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panasonic plasmas are a little cheaper than similar sized quality LCDs. don't skimp. LED's are great if you have money to burn on a good one, most of the affordable ones aren't even true LED television, they're side lit LCDs.
i have no motion issues w/ my LCD, it's a 1080p Sony w/ 120Hz processing. this television has withstood several PAKs.
dark room, no windows/little glare: plasma
windows, possible glare issues: LCD
don't even worry about the calibration disc, just go to AVS forums, find the calibration thread w/ your specific model, then play around with a few different people's calibrations, see which one looks best to you. you can discern which configs are the best by reading the threads and just start with those.
and don't buy expensive HDMI cables, just buy one from monoprice.com
You rock, thanks.
Not to push my luck, but say you were in the market for a 50-ish inch HDTV for under or right at $1000.
You would go with the...?
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50" @ $1000 is tough....and you'd be surprised how big these things look once you get them home and in your living room.
this sony 46" is $1139 and is 1080i/p capable
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05771649000P?vName=Computers+%26+Electronics&cName=Televisions&sName=Flat+Panel
this 50" panasonic plasma @ 1080i/p for $1069 (no tax, no shipping)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/602505-REG/Panasonic_TC_P50S1_TC_P50S1_50_Viera_S1.html
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50" @ $1000 is tough....and you'd be surprised how big these things look once you get them home and in your living room.
this sony 46" is $1139 and is 1080i/p capable
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05771649000P?vName=Computers+%26+Electronics&cName=Televisions&sName=Flat+Panel
this 50" panasonic plasma @ 1080i/p for $1069 (no tax, no shipping)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/602505-REG/Panasonic_TC_P50S1_TC_P50S1_50_Viera_S1.html
I know what you mean; I actually already have a 42" LCD (Samsung). It's nice.
Any personal opinions on the 50" Panasonic plasma you linked above?
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50" @ $1000 is tough....and you'd be surprised how big these things look once you get them home and in your living room.
this sony 46" is $1139 and is 1080i/p capable
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05771649000P?vName=Computers+%26+Electronics&cName=Televisions&sName=Flat+Panel
this 50" panasonic plasma @ 1080i/p for $1069 (no tax, no shipping)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/602505-REG/Panasonic_TC_P50S1_TC_P50S1_50_Viera_S1.html
I know what you mean; I actually already have a 42" LCD (Samsung). It's nice.
Any personal opinions on the 50" Panasonic plasma you linked above?
i'm not pissclams, but below is a little opinion piece i wrote up for a website that i freelance for on occasion...
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50s1/4505-6482_7-33490479.html#cnetReview
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it's the best 50" television you're going to get for your money. and that's cool that rick daris writes for cnet. i cannot believe that, very cool.
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cool that rick daris writes for cnet. i cannot believe that, very cool.
:skillz:
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50" @ $1000 is tough....and you'd be surprised how big these things look once you get them home and in your living room.
this sony 46" is $1139 and is 1080i/p capable
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05771649000P?vName=Computers+%26+Electronics&cName=Televisions&sName=Flat+Panel
this 50" panasonic plasma @ 1080i/p for $1069 (no tax, no shipping)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/602505-REG/Panasonic_TC_P50S1_TC_P50S1_50_Viera_S1.html
I know what you mean; I actually already have a 42" LCD (Samsung). It's nice.
Any personal opinions on the 50" Panasonic plasma you linked above?
i'm not pissclams, but below is a little opinion piece i wrote up for a website that i freelance for on occasion...
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50s1/4505-6482_7-33490479.html#cnetReview
LOL. Yeah, I should probably do my own research, but why, when I have such a knowledgeable group of dudes in one place (here)?
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Found an LG 50PS30 50" plasma (1080p) for under $1000....good deal?
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Found an LG 50PS30 50" plasma (1080p) for under $1000....good deal?
Sears has a sale on 1080p Plasma viera. under a $1000.
Check FATwallet.com hdtv deals.
Target has the 50" viera for $950.
LG can't compete on name with samsung ,sony pana so they have to cut prices. The problem with them is reliablility i think. Buy the 2010 consumer reports buying guide and you will see a 5% no on LG plasma.
If i buy a tv i might want to google search the model/brand 'reliability'. I think they have issues.
Also look at Amazon reviews by tv owners.
I will be buying one soon. Samsung just had a deal at BestB for a 52" LCD and blue ray player for around $1,000.
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Found an LG 50PS30 50" plasma (1080p) for under $1000....good deal?
Sears has a sale on 1080p Plasma viera. under a $1000.
Check FATwallet.com hdtv deals.
Target has the 50" viera for $950.
LG can't compete on name with samsung ,sony pana so they have to cut prices. The problem with them is reliablility i think. Buy the 2010 consumer reports buying guide and you will see a 5% no on LG plasma.
If i buy a tv i might want to google search the model/brand 'reliability'. I think they have issues.
Also look at Amazon reviews by tv owners.
I will be buying one soon. Samsung just had a deal at BestB for a 52" LCD and blue ray player for around $1,000.
Yeah, that's the problem with the LG model I mentioned. Try searching for reviews of it; you'll hardly find any. That makes me nervous.
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i wouldn't buy an LG. reliability issues.
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i wouldn't buy an LG. reliability issues.
K.
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one guy mentions samsung with lg. interesting.
http://www.highdefforum.com/archive/t-99438.html
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Panasonic P50U1...thoughts? No CNET review, sadly.
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Panasonic P50U1...thoughts? No CNET review, sadly.
There is a cnet vid on a smaller Pan. Watched it last night. The guy said the larger tv's are about the same. The reviews i have read is that colors are not great and has no dvi connections. I have wondered how much difference there are in models of the same brand with the same contrast. Vieracast = worthless.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-viera-tc-p50u1/4505-6482_7-33642782.html
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Which one of these would you get? (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_p_36_2?bbn=979929011&qid=1261027360&rh=n:172282,n:!493964,n:1266092011,n:172659,n:979929011,p_n_feature_three_browse-bin:724228011,p_n_size_browse-bin:1232883011,p_n_condition-type:2224371011,p_n_feature_browse-bin:550061011,p_72:1248879011&rnid=386442011&low-price=0&high-price=1200&x=9&y=7)
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http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn50b650/4505-6482_7-33573755.html
reading my mind.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn50b650/4505-6482_7-33573755.html
samsung plasma
difficult choice. The 120hz models are coming down in price.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4321-6475_7-6594645.html
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Which one of these would you get? (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_p_36_2?bbn=979929011&qid=1261027360&rh=n:172282,n:!493964,n:1266092011,n:172659,n:979929011,p_n_feature_three_browse-bin:724228011,p_n_size_browse-bin:1232883011,p_n_condition-type:2224371011,p_n_feature_browse-bin:550061011,p_72:1248879011&rnid=386442011&low-price=0&high-price=1200&x=9&y=7)
I'm not quite sold on the Touch of Color line. Not sure why they chose red. Besides that, not sure what is different between the models. I'd look for DLNA compatible sets. And in all honesty, the video will probably look great on all of them. Just get the inputs, the features, and the style you want and go for the lowest price.
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Which one of these would you get? (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_p_36_2?bbn=979929011&qid=1261027360&rh=n:172282,n:!493964,n:1266092011,n:172659,n:979929011,p_n_feature_three_browse-bin:724228011,p_n_size_browse-bin:1232883011,p_n_condition-type:2224371011,p_n_feature_browse-bin:550061011,p_72:1248879011&rnid=386442011&low-price=0&high-price=1200&x=9&y=7)
I'm not quite sold on the Touch of Color line. Not sure why they chose red. Besides that, not sure what is different between the models. I'd look for DLNA compatible sets. And in all honesty, the video will probably look great on all of them. Just get the inputs, the features, and the style you want and go for the lowest price.
I know you said you aren't sold on the ToC line from Samsung, but I can get a 1080p plasma for $1059 (ToC). Plus, it's gotten good reviews and has 4 HDMI ports.
Anything you particularly don't like, or just not a fan of the red set into the body? How bold is that red, anyway?
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Which one of these would you get? (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_p_36_2?bbn=979929011&qid=1261027360&rh=n:172282,n:!493964,n:1266092011,n:172659,n:979929011,p_n_feature_three_browse-bin:724228011,p_n_size_browse-bin:1232883011,p_n_condition-type:2224371011,p_n_feature_browse-bin:550061011,p_72:1248879011&rnid=386442011&low-price=0&high-price=1200&x=9&y=7)
I'm not quite sold on the Touch of Color line. Not sure why they chose red. Besides that, not sure what is different between the models. I'd look for DLNA compatible sets. And in all honesty, the video will probably look great on all of them. Just get the inputs, the features, and the style you want and go for the lowest price.
I know you said you aren't sold on the ToC line from Samsung, but I can get a 1080p plasma for $1059 (ToC). Plus, it's gotten good reviews and has 4 HDMI ports.
Anything you particularly don't like, or just not a fan of the red set into the body? How bold is that red, anyway?
I'm not sold on it due to the upcharge on it. They're selling them as a high end line when there isn't enough to justify it, especially just the color. The red is pretty subtle. Just drive over to a Best Buy and check it out. If you can get a good deal on it, though, go for it.
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Which one of these would you get? (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_p_36_2?bbn=979929011&qid=1261027360&rh=n:172282,n:!493964,n:1266092011,n:172659,n:979929011,p_n_feature_three_browse-bin:724228011,p_n_size_browse-bin:1232883011,p_n_condition-type:2224371011,p_n_feature_browse-bin:550061011,p_72:1248879011&rnid=386442011&low-price=0&high-price=1200&x=9&y=7)
I'm not quite sold on the Touch of Color line. Not sure why they chose red. Besides that, not sure what is different between the models. I'd look for DLNA compatible sets. And in all honesty, the video will probably look great on all of them. Just get the inputs, the features, and the style you want and go for the lowest price.
I know you said you aren't sold on the ToC line from Samsung, but I can get a 1080p plasma for $1059 (ToC). Plus, it's gotten good reviews and has 4 HDMI ports.
Anything you particularly don't like, or just not a fan of the red set into the body? How bold is that red, anyway?
I'm not sold on it due to the upcharge on it. They're selling them as a high end line when there isn't enough to justify it, especially just the color. The red is pretty subtle. Just drive over to a Best Buy and check it out. If you can get a good deal on it, though, go for it.
Buying it for $959. Based on reviews and comparisons, don't think I'll get a much better deal than that for a solid 1080p 50" TV. Thanks for your help bro. You are a true K-Statriot.
I'm picking it up today, will give a report.
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Update on the PN50B550:
ToC is so subtle as to be a non-issue. Might not even have noticed it had I not read about it. Good looking set, actually. Minimalist stand (unlike Panasonic), stylish border.
Haven't actually turned it on yet (dude at Best Buy told me to wait a couple hours). Will give an update then. It'd have to be surprisingly crapty for me to turn it down for $959 though.
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Oddly, I've had very good luck with my 32" Polaroid HD. It's only a bedroom TV, but works damn good. :dunno:
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Update: picture quality excellent to my untrained eye on HD broadcasts. Don't have a Blu-Ray player, so you won't be hearing from me on that. :dunno:
At any rate, I'm extremely happy with this find.
:bballonlyfan:
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go to avs forums and configure your new television
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go to avs forums and configure your new television
So I don't need some DVD to do this, eh? Good to know, thanks.
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go to avs forums and configure your new television
So I don't need some DVD to do this, eh? Good to know, thanks.
Each set and model is different, not to mention the conditions of the room is different. It's hit or miss with AVS's settings. I had one that turned out pretty good, but with my Sony, it was nowhere close good. I got my DVD for less than $10 on amazon used and it was worth it.
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go to avs forums and configure your new television
So I don't need some DVD to do this, eh? Good to know, thanks.
Each set and model is different, not to mention the conditions of the room is different. It's hit or miss with AVS's settings. I had one that turned out pretty good, but with my Sony, it was nowhere close good. I got my DVD for less than $10 on amazon used and it was worth it.
Here's a question regarding that: won't a DVD only help you calibrate the settings on that input only (the one you use for your DVD player)? Do you have to hook your DVD player into each individual input and re-calibrate? I know my TV has separate settings for each source...
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go to avs forums and configure your new television
So I don't need some DVD to do this, eh? Good to know, thanks.
Each set and model is different, not to mention the conditions of the room is different. It's hit or miss with AVS's settings. I had one that turned out pretty good, but with my Sony, it was nowhere close good. I got my DVD for less than $10 on amazon used and it was worth it.
Here's a question regarding that: won't a DVD only help you calibrate the settings on that input only (the one you use for your DVD player)? Do you have to hook your DVD player into each individual input and re-calibrate? I know my TV has separate settings for each source...
Since it's the same set, you can just copy the settings. I wrote mine down and just applied them to each input. Some I had to tweak, but they'll be close.
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go to avs forums and configure your new television
So I don't need some DVD to do this, eh? Good to know, thanks.
Each set and model is different, not to mention the conditions of the room is different. It's hit or miss with AVS's settings. I had one that turned out pretty good, but with my Sony, it was nowhere close good. I got my DVD for less than $10 on amazon used and it was worth it.
Here's a question regarding that: won't a DVD only help you calibrate the settings on that input only (the one you use for your DVD player)? Do you have to hook your DVD player into each individual input and re-calibrate? I know my TV has separate settings for each source...
Since it's the same set, you can just copy the settings. I wrote mine down and just applied them to each input. Some I had to tweak, but they'll be close.
Sounds tedious. How much does this actually improve viewing experience, realistically? I'm no A/V techie.
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go to avs forums and configure your new television
So I don't need some DVD to do this, eh? Good to know, thanks.
Each set and model is different, not to mention the conditions of the room is different. It's hit or miss with AVS's settings. I had one that turned out pretty good, but with my Sony, it was nowhere close good. I got my DVD for less than $10 on amazon used and it was worth it.
Here's a question regarding that: won't a DVD only help you calibrate the settings on that input only (the one you use for your DVD player)? Do you have to hook your DVD player into each individual input and re-calibrate? I know my TV has separate settings for each source...
Since it's the same set, you can just copy the settings. I wrote mine down and just applied them to each input. Some I had to tweak, but they'll be close.
Sounds tedious. How much does this actually improve viewing experience, realistically? I'm no A/V techie.
Dude, it all depends on the set and the room. If you don't even notice these things, then who cares? Plug it in and sit back. For me, I spent almost a grand on my tv, I'm getting the most out of it.
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The new HDTVophiles are as anal as the old analog audiophiles.
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I used to want a Panasonic Plasma, but now I'm thinking I really like the colors of the Samsung, but maybe I'm being fooled by setup in a big electronics retailer.
And 120Hz is blech... mass marketing crap. Sort of like MP in cameras and 1080p in TVs, which are both sort of meaningless and can make things worse.
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1080p is meaningless? makes things worse?
120mhz is meaningless?
GMAFB. Blu-Ray is awesome and 120Hz refresh is great for watching sports.
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How did I do on my tv choice, piss? :ohno:
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How did I do on my tv choice, piss? :ohno:
you tell us :users:
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I used to want a Panasonic Plasma, but now I'm thinking I really like the colors of the Samsung, but maybe I'm being fooled by setup in a big electronics retailer.
And 120Hz is blech... mass marketing crap. Sort of like MP in cameras and 1080p in TVs, which are both sort of meaningless and can make things worse.
Get the panasonic. You won't be disappointed.
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Gary Patterson looks gorgeous on this TV (as does the Fiesta Bowl in general).
Loving it. 4 HDMI ports :love:
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4 HDMI ports = massively elite
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Gary Patterson looks gorgeous on this TV (as does the Fiesta Bowl in general).
Loving it. 4 HDMI ports :love:
3 back/1 side or all 4 back?
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Gary Patterson looks gorgeous on this TV (as does the Fiesta Bowl in general).
Loving it. 4 HDMI ports :love:
3 back/1 side or all 4 back?
3 back 1 side.
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I just got a 50 in. Samsung plasma 1080p with samsung surround sound system AND a samsung blu-ray player all for......drum roll please............$959!! :love:
Have no idea how I got this deal. Ultimate Electronics in Wichita had it going as a one day sale I think....
Pretty ridiculous. Now just need to find some good deals on hdmi cables....
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I just got a 50 in. Samsung plasma 1080p with samsung surround sound system AND a samsung blu-ray player all for......drum roll please............$959!! :love:
Have no idea how I got this deal. Ultimate Electronics in Wichita had it going as a one day sale I think....
Pretty ridiculous. Now just need to find some good deals on hdmi cables....
Is the surround sound a HTiB system. HT-BD3252?
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I'm afraid to take the surround sound plunge, because I know I'd want it installed professionally to hide the cords and whatnot.
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I'm afraid to take the surround sound plunge, because I know I'd want it installed professionally to hide the cords and whatnot.
Get one with 'wireless' rear speakers.
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I just got a 50 in. Samsung plasma 1080p with samsung surround sound system AND a samsung blu-ray player all for......drum roll please............$959!! :love:
Have no idea how I got this deal. Ultimate Electronics in Wichita had it going as a one day sale I think....
Pretty ridiculous. Now just need to find some good deals on hdmi cables....
meh not too bad
and for hdmi cables use amazon there like 3 dollars
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I'm afraid to take the surround sound plunge, because I know I'd want it installed professionally to hide the cords and whatnot.
could always just get one of those soundbards
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I just got a 50 in. Samsung plasma 1080p with samsung surround sound system AND a samsung blu-ray player all for......drum roll please............$959!! :love:
Have no idea how I got this deal. Ultimate Electronics in Wichita had it going as a one day sale I think....
Pretty ridiculous. Now just need to find some good deals on hdmi cables....
Congrats. that was a good deal man. I saw it and didn't pull the trigger.
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I used to want a Panasonic Plasma, but now I'm thinking I really like the colors of the Samsung, but maybe I'm being fooled by setup in a big electronics retailer.
And 120Hz is blech... mass marketing crap. Sort of like MP in cameras and 1080p in TVs, which are both sort of meaningless and can make things worse.
google plasma brightness versus lcd. you will get your explanation.
they throw out a lot of numbers like dynamic contrast which is how black the blacks are in plasma but the LCDS are brighter.
Even newer LED LCD's will put plasmas to rest.
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Not until LEDs come down considerably in price.
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Alright, I need to know if I buy a 40" Sony Bravia LCD 120HZ, am I going to experience problems playing video games/watching sports, or would I be better off with the plasma.
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Generally, motion resolution on a 120hz CCFL backlit LCD is not as bad as the old 60hz. Though still not as good as a plasma.
LED backlit LCD's (120hz and 240hz) have excellent motion resolution. Though are pricy, and tend to be more expensive than comparable plasmas. LED backlit is preferred over edge-lit.
With LCD TV's, 60hz will produce judder with fast moving video. 120hz and 240hz eliminates this, but introduces picture artifacts.
Also, viewing angle on plasmas are way better.
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Got a 5 yr old proj RCA in the living room and a 1 yr old LCD in the bedroom. The proj actually has a better pic than the LCD. Go fig. (Prog is 52 in, LCD is 36 in).
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Generally, motion resolution on a 120hz CCFL backlit LCD is not as bad as the old 60hz. Though still not as good as a plasma.
LED backlit LCD's (120hz and 240hz) have excellent motion resolution. Though are pricy, and tend to be more expensive than comparable plasmas. LED backlit is preferred over edge-lit.
With LCD TV's, 60hz will produce judder with fast moving video. 120hz and 240hz eliminates this, but introduces picture artifacts.
Also, viewing angle on plasmas are way better.
I just need to know that if I'm watching basketball on a 120hz 40"LCD 1080p, will it really look awful? Or will it look basically as fluid as the plasmas?
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The top of the line LCD Backlit LED models might get close, but plasma will look better (at less money). But some people might be okay with it.
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Generally, motion resolution on a 120hz CCFL backlit LCD is not as bad as the old 60hz. Though still not as good as a plasma.
LED backlit LCD's (120hz and 240hz) have excellent motion resolution. Though are pricy, and tend to be more expensive than comparable plasmas. LED backlit is preferred over edge-lit.
With LCD TV's, 60hz will produce judder with fast moving video. 120hz and 240hz eliminates this, but introduces picture artifacts.
Also, viewing angle on plasmas are way better.
I just need to know that if I'm watching basketball on a 120hz 40"LCD 1080p, will it really look awful? Or will it look basically as fluid as the plasmas?
some see blur at 60hz and some don't.
Go to the store and compare is the only way to see.
read a consumer reports at the bookstore.
plasmas are for darker rooms. LCD's are brighter.