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Title: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: The1BigWillie on November 04, 2009, 01:36:57 PM
Has Iowa State at 29th in their top 64.  NO mention of KSU.  We &@#%ing suck.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: purplebybirth on November 04, 2009, 01:41:21 PM
Has Iowa State at 29th in their top 64.  NO mention of KSU.  We fracking suck.

that's pretty damn stupid.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: feralchat on November 04, 2009, 01:47:15 PM
Someone likes fat necks, only thing I can figure.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: steve dave on November 04, 2009, 01:48:24 PM
MEH!
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: sys on November 04, 2009, 03:03:58 PM
they have better players.  kstate has the better coach.  we'll just have to see how it shakes out.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: pissclams on November 04, 2009, 03:05:23 PM
us --->   :runaway:

the media --->  :lol:


mods, can we pin this thread?  might save the thread starters time throughout the next several months just to keep the "the media hates us" threads at the top of the forum?
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: catsfan20052006 on November 04, 2009, 03:19:07 PM
I just got mine in the mail and was looking forward to reading about us!

:flush:
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: PowercatPat on November 04, 2009, 03:32:40 PM
they have better players.  kstate has the better coach.  we'll just have to see how it shakes out.

They only player of theirs that is better than any of ours is Brackins.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: pissclams on November 04, 2009, 03:33:52 PM
they have better players.  kstate has the better coach.  we'll just have to see how it shakes out.

They only player of theirs that is better than any of ours is Brackins.
well - then who cares about players anyways, when you have great coaching you can do anything!
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: sys on November 04, 2009, 03:52:55 PM
They only player of theirs that is better than any of ours is Brackins.

 :eek:

man, and i thought i was a homer! 

 :hahano:
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: fatty fat fat on November 04, 2009, 04:01:10 PM
Well, we did lose to WSU.

 :dunno:
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: WillieWannabe on November 04, 2009, 04:03:31 PM
Well, we did lose to WSU.

 :dunno:

make that your sig why don't you.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: mavrick1821 on November 04, 2009, 04:19:00 PM
I am so sick of pre-season hogwash.  Let's get this thing started already and let Frank show 'em all! :skillz:
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: doom on November 04, 2009, 04:52:46 PM
Dude ISU will be so much better.    :lol:
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: buhl aid on November 04, 2009, 05:38:30 PM
they also have our rivals at #2. little high...  :blank:
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: PowercatPat on November 04, 2009, 09:18:07 PM
They only player of theirs that is better than any of ours is Brackins.

 :eek:

man, and i thought i was a homer! 

 :hahano:

Are you kidding me? You really think they are that good?  :lol:

Who else is better? Maybe there is one more player that is, but we are still a better team.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: CatDubs on November 04, 2009, 10:16:51 PM
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8185/frankpeek.gif)
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: steve dave on November 05, 2009, 07:02:48 AM
How long will we have to be a consistent upper half big 12 team before our fanbase will get their bearings on how basketball works and how our talent actually matches up in comparison to the rest of the conference? 
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 05, 2009, 09:31:13 AM

Are you kidding me? You really think they are that good?  :lol:

Who else is better? Maybe there is one more player that is, but we are still a better team.


I think sys is being sarcastic.  I hope. 
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: sys on November 05, 2009, 11:01:21 AM
I think sys is being sarcastic.  I hope. 

no, isu has some good players.  more than just one.  gilstrap is probably going to get an nba chance.  probably the only other nba talent, but they have other guys that can be better than average ncaa players.  basically their entire frontcourt is better than ksu's.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: montywildcat on November 05, 2009, 01:34:56 PM
I've never seen Gilstrap play - he's never played in the Big 12 right? I see he had a big year in Juco last year, but you would seriously rate a 3-start Juco above Judge & Kelly?
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: sys on November 05, 2009, 01:54:21 PM
I've never seen Gilstrap play - he's never played in the Big 12 right? I see he had a big year in Juco last year, but you would seriously rate a 3-start Juco above Judge & Kelly?

kelly and judge have never played in the big 12 either.  kelly was a miserable failure in his 2 years attempting to play d1.  judge is several years younger than gilstrap and pretty much unanimously well behind kelly according to the kstate coaching staff.  how would you rate either of them above gilstrap?

oth, i didn't argue that gilstrap was better than kelly or judge (though i'm certainly not claiming he isn't, either).  just that their front court as a unit (gilstrap, brackins, dendy, vanderbeeken, hamilton) is substantially better than kstate's (kelly, judge, colon, jhenr, samuels).

isu has some very good players.  their biggest problem is that most of those guys basically play the same position, and their guards either suck or are unproven.  you could make an argument that their best five guys are all hybrid 3-4s (the 5 listed above, minus hamilton plus staiger).  weird team.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 05, 2009, 02:39:36 PM

Sys, don't forget your original comment:

"they have better players.  kstate has the better coach.  we'll just have to see how it shakes out."

Your basing that off of Brackens, and a juco guy you've never seen play. 

Our backcourt is probably one of the top 2-3 in the league.  Talent and depth.  Clearly superior to ISU. 

Our frontcourt is unproven.  But, we have great upside.  Samuels looks good, Judge is a McD All-American, Colon is huge, Kelly could be very good.  ISU has brackens.  And Gilstrap is just as unproven as Kelly.   
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: sys on November 05, 2009, 02:59:53 PM

Sys, don't forget your original comment:

"they have better players.  kstate has the better coach.  we'll just have to see how it shakes out."

yeah, that comment was partly facetious.  i only turned serious later in the thread.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: Legore on November 05, 2009, 03:03:19 PM
ISU is a team I wonder about.  When Brackins decided to come back you start thinking they could be pretty damn good.  But then you start thinking why were they so bad last season with a player of his caliber?  If Gilstrap is legit then I would think they can be pretty solid but they really didn't get much love from the coaches picked 8th in the preseason poll even thought they voted Brackins first team and Gilstrap newcomer of the year.   Should be interesting to see how they do still kind of amazed that Brackins came back for another year.  
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: sys on November 05, 2009, 03:22:19 PM
But then you start thinking why were they so bad last season with a player of his caliber?

their guards were really bad.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: montywildcat on November 05, 2009, 03:40:21 PM
I've never seen Gilstrap play - he's never played in the Big 12 right? I see he had a big year in Juco last year, but you would seriously rate a 3-start Juco above Judge & Kelly?

kelly and judge have never played in the big 12 either.  kelly was a miserable failure in his 2 years attempting to play d1.  judge is several years younger than gilstrap and pretty much unanimously well behind kelly according to the kstate coaching staff.  how would you rate either of them above gilstrap?

oth, i didn't argue that gilstrap was better than kelly or judge (though i'm certainly not claiming he isn't, either).  just that their front court as a unit (gilstrap, brackins, dendy, vanderbeeken, hamilton) is substantially better than kstate's (kelly, judge, colon, jhenr, samuels).

isu has some very good players.  their biggest problem is that most of those guys basically play the same position, and their guards either suck or are unproven.  you could make an argument that their best five guys are all hybrid 3-4s (the 5 listed above, minus hamilton plus staiger).  weird team.

I really like your insight, and I had never really looked at ISU's talent.

I'm not expert, but here's why I would rate Kelly & Judge higher than Gilstrap. It basically has to do with their ceiling.

Kelly... I understand the legitimate concerns on Kelly, and Winn's article was a little disconcerting (what a great article, btw). Still, Frank has said Kelly has been playing like "a pro" through most of his preseason practices. Frank's preseason assessments have proven to be pretty good so far (i.e. Clemente "fastest player baseline to baseline" and Beasley "as polished in HS as Durant" - both of these comments were questioned at the time). I don't think Kelly's issue has really been his talent, and I do think a change of scenery will help him.

Judge... Gilstrap is most likely a better player than Judge today, but its mainly due to Judge lacking experience against higher level competition. Judge is going to be in a good role this season - he's not expected to be the savior or even the go-to scoring threat. He'll be able to develop. And Judge's athleticism is elite. Again, I trust Frank's assessments and he compared Judge's potential to Amare Stoudamire (on Soren's show).
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: sys on November 05, 2009, 03:47:31 PM
good post.  hard to disagree with any of it.
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: catdude33 on November 06, 2009, 07:57:17 PM
Really strange rankings from "The Mag".
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: CrushNasty on November 09, 2009, 12:54:38 PM
We are in the top 25 for 3/10 ESPN CBB "experts"

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/powerranking?season=2010&week=1&pollId=1
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: yosh on November 09, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
There's no way I would trade rosters or coaches with ISU.  What else is there?

 :dunno:
Title: Re: ESPN the Magazine College BB Preview
Post by: steve dave on November 09, 2009, 01:09:32 PM
There's no way I would trade rosters or coaches with ISU.  What else is there?

 :dunno:

MAGIC!