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Sports => The Good, The Bad, and the "Meh" => Topic started by: catsfan20052006 on July 30, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
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1. Key Position Battles
TE - Brad Cottam, Tony Curtis and Sean Ryan (got a bad case of the drops all over the offense)
S - Mike Brown, Bernard Pollard, Jarrad Page
C - Rudy Niswanger and Eric Ghiaciuc
2. The switch from the 4-3 to a 3-4 defense
There will be problems at the DE position. Glenn Dorsey really isn't a DE and Tyson Jackson is a rookie. Can Mike Vrabel turn back the clock and has Tamba Hali discovered speed (the natural kind) in the offseason? Hopefully we can find a pass rush or CB's Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr are going to be very busy this season.
Apparently Hali is having a great camp so far
3. Offensive Line?
Branden Albert did a nice job playing an unnatural position last season.....Too bad he got FAT during the offseason. Damion McIntosh has been a disappointment since coming over from Miami two seasons ago. Is Brian Waters going to be happy playing with the Chiefs? Mike Goff struggled last year with San Diego.
Bottom Line.....
Don't expect a miracle because Pioli and Haley have a BIG mess to clean up. Interestingly enough it could be a good year to draft Chiefs offensive players and Chiefs opponents players on your fantasy team because this team is going to have to throw the ball alot to catch up in games.
On the agenda for the first day of training camp.....
Each player will have to run three 300-yard shuttles and complete them in an assigned time. Times vary by position.
Some signings of note.....
Alex Magee, a third-round defensive lineman from Purdue, and Quinten Lawrence, a sixth-round wide receiver from McNeese State, will be with the Chiefs today when they head to training camp in Wisconsin. According to the KC Star, Magee has spoken with Jackson and a deal shouldn't be too far off.
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Mike Vick
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Mike Vick
I wouldn't be against it but Vick needs a franchise with stable and established leadership at the top and, although I believe we will have that, we're not there yet.
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Updated
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What player on another team should we injure this year to become relevant in some sort of conversation?
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This is kinda Chiefs related and kinda not. If Jackson gets signed soon he'll be the 14th of 32 First Round picks to sign (44%) either before or right at the beginning of Training Camp. It always baffles me that it takes so long to even start the process of signing guys, I mean the Draft was in April, and that there is always a big rush before Training Camps start. Also, there are always alot of guys with lengthy holdouts. That doesn't seem like it's going to be the case this year. Anybody know why?
Got three more today I believe
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Dorsey failed the conditioning test. Watters refuses to comment on his. :suicideispainless:
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Dorsey failed the conditioning test. Watters refuses to comment on his. :suicideispainless:
Gonna be an exciting season :excited:
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Dorsey failed the conditioning test. Watters refuses to comment on his. :suicideispainless:
OG's Brian Waters and Mike Goff and NT Ron Edwards have finally passed. My first post in this thread has been updated yet again.
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Dorsey failed the conditioning test. Watters refuses to comment on his. :suicideispainless:
My first post in this thread has been updated yet again.
:lol:
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493
I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.
He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493
I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.
He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.
he would be a possession receiver at best... he isn't as explosive as he used to be so I don't see him making any big plays like Bowe can do...
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If you've been reading about the performances of our WR's in camp so far a possession receiver is what we're looking for. We need someone who can actually possess the football.
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A 1-year deal for Toomer is fine. Nothing to get upset about, to be sure. Might increase Bowe's production greatly.
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Im not upset about the pickup I am just sayin I think we can do better and go for the slam dunk young pickup... I know it's way too late in the offseason to do that I am just hoping they maybe draft a WR or make a pickup or trade for one next offseason.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12018399
"I keep reminding him," Haley said, "that this isn't Year 9 with the Patriots; this is Year 1 with the Chiefs. He's an excitable, enthusiastic guy with a lot of confidence. He wants to get it all done [in a hurry], but I told him, 'Calm down. You can't do everything you want to do or I want to do right now. This is a process.'"
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493
I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.
He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.
Delusional. . .
Burress: 35 receptions - (must've stolen all of Toomer's)
all the other receivers that you mentioned suck.
Toomer is definitely past his prime.
But that fact that I've seen him actually catch a pass before is saying more than most of your receivers can't be a bad thing for you Chiefs fans.
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493
I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.
He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.
Delusional. . .
Burress: 35 receptions - (must've stolen all of Toomer's)
all the other receivers that you mentioned suck.
Toomer is definitely past his prime.
But that fact that I've seen him actually catch a pass before is saying more than most of your receivers can't be a bad thing for you Chiefs fans.
How's Denver looking this year? :lol:
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493
I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.
He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.
Delusional. . .
Burress: 35 receptions - (must've stolen all of Toomer's)
all the other receivers that you mentioned suck.
Toomer is definitely past his prime.
But that fact that I've seen him actually catch a pass before is saying more than most of your receivers can't be a bad thing for you Chiefs fans.
How's Denver looking this year? :lol:
Bad! Why do you ask?
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http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_13002333?_requestid=4903963
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493
I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.
He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.
Delusional. . .
Burress: 35 receptions - (must've stolen all of Toomer's)
all the other receivers that you mentioned suck.
Toomer is definitely past his prime.
But that fact that I've seen him actually catch a pass before is saying more than most of your receivers can't be a bad thing for you Chiefs fans.
How's Denver looking this year? :lol:
I'd say denver goes 6-8--8-8
KC will go 4-12--6-10
BTW, I never said Denver was going to be good, nor do I think that a old/past his prime wr is going to help us. Also, I never even mentioned Denver in this thread. I thought this thread was about KC. Why do you always have to bring up Denver? Obesessed? If you want to talk about Denver's training camp you can start a new thread. We are talking about KC in this thread.
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I don't have the details yet but Tyson Jackson is signed!
:cheers:
Details.....
Channel 13 just reported that the deal is 5 years and that Jackson is now the highest payed Chiefs player EVER! Wow!
More Details.....
5 years $57 million with $31 million guaranteed according to 810
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I don't have the details yet but Tyson Jackson is signed!
:cheers:
Details.....
Channel 13 just reported that the deal is 5 years and that Jackson is now the highest payed Chiefs player EVER! Wow!
The highest paid Chiefs player ever? Are you kidding me? He wasn't even worth the 3rd overall pick in the draft. My guess is he will be a bust.
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I don't have the details yet but Tyson Jackson is signed!
:cheers:
Details.....
Channel 13 just reported that the deal is 5 years and that Jackson is now the highest payed Chiefs player EVER! Wow!
The highest paid Chiefs player ever? Are you kidding me? He wasn't even worth the 3rd overall pick in the draft. My guess is he will be a bust.
Gonna LOL when he gets like 13 tackles all season
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I still can't believe they passed on a "sure thing" LB with Curry to get a borderline top 15 pick. . .with the 3rd pick. Especially just 1 year removed from getting a bust DE with a top 5 pick.
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I still can't believe they passed on a "sure thing" LB with Curry to get a borderline top 15 pick. . .with the 3rd pick. Especially just 1 year removed from getting a bust DE with a top 5 pick.
Dorsey at the time was a DT which was in the old system. He is being converted to DE this year. Tyson Jackson is a true DE in a 3-4 style defense. He fits in perfectly with what the Chiefs want to do. Whether he will be good or not is yet to be seen...
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On ESPN.com's Front Page there's an NFL Rumor Central with the headline "Vick to possibly back up Cassel" but when you click on it it doesn't mention it anywhere in the story so I don't know what to tell you.
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On ESPN.com's Front Page there's an NFL Rumor Central with the headline "Vick to possibly back up Cassel" but when you click on it it doesn't mention it anywhere in the story so I don't know what to tell you.
I love the idea of having an athlete like Vick backing up Cassel but I just don't see Pioli taking a risk like this, this early in his stint as GM for KC...
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4385892
John Clayton's Camp Observations -
1. Focus on Matt Cassel: The Chiefs' new QB resembles a taller, sturdier version of Trent Green. That thought should put Chiefs fans at ease.
Green played quarterback like a point guard in basketball, quickly getting the ball to others. In his 15 starts for the Patriots last season, Cassel handled the job basically the same way. An accurate passer (63.4 percent completion rate in '08), Cassel is also surprisingly mobile at 6-foot-4 and 230 pounds. He was one of the league's best running quarterbacks, rushing for 270 yards last season -- something you wouldn't expect for his tall frame.
With the Patriots, coaches asked Cassel to dump short passes to Wes Welker, Randy Moss and others and didn't require him to make long throws. The Patriots hoped to win with yards after the catch and not with Cassel's arm, so it's hard to tell whether he can successfully work the long passing game. Haley said Cassel can make all of the throws, including long ones.
Receiver Dwayne Bowe and other players on offense love how well Cassel leads the huddle. Years of being Tom Brady's understudy helped him become a leader. Once Cassel gets to the huddle, he quickly puts his 10 other players at ease by explaining the situations and delivering the assignments.
2. Let's get in shape, fellas: Apparently, the Chiefs went 2-14 during the regular season and lost a postseason battle with the Kansas City "Chefs."
Haley believed he inherited a lot of players with midsections a little too big. Left tackle Brandon Albert checked into the offseason program at around 340 pounds. Defensive lineman Glenn Dorsey was also around 340. Bowe was around 238. To improve the team's athleticism, Haley ordered some players to go on diets. By his latest count, the Chiefs have collectively lost about 800 pounds.
The weight loss was so dramatic that a few players struggled in the first few days of camp. Albert, for example, felt too light moving around at 35 pounds less. Bowe said he also felt different running around weighing less than 210 pounds. One week into camp, however, players have adjusted to their new weights. The lighter offensive linemen should move quicker on zone blocks and traps. Bowe feels quicker after worrying he might not be as physical against cornerbacks in press coverage. Haley believes the lost weight means the Chiefs won't fade in the final months of the season.
3. What kind of offense will the Chiefs run? Haley can't answer that because it is clearly a work in progress. On Friday, Haley looked at a four-receiver package out of the shotgun, but there are clear weaknesses at receiver. Bowe is a star at split end who can break tackles and make big plays. After that, Haley and the Chiefs don't know what they have. In fact, they will hit the waiver wire for the next few months to find players who fit.
Receivers Mark Bradley and Devard Darling are holdovers from last season, but don't be surprised if they are eventually replaced. Bobby Engram, 36, was signed to work the slot and looks good. Flanker Amani Toomer, formerly of the New York Giants, was signed last week. It's pretty clear that Cassel doesn't have many run-after-catch options except for Bowe and perhaps Engram out of the slot. Receivers on the team believe Kansas City will use more three-receiver sets, but figuring out who the receivers will be is the toughest part.
4. Lots of Larry Johnson? With the passing offense in flux, don't be surprised if Haley goes with a running attack led by Johnson. Haley doesn't mind running the ball 35 or more times a game if he must.
After a horrible 2008 season, Johnson has done everything possible to persuade the organization he can be a workhorse again. Following Haley's weight-loss edict, Johnson now weighs in the 220s and is running with authority. This is a critical season for Johnson, who turns 30 in November. That's an age at which most backs begin to decline.
Johnson averaged 4.5 yards a carry last year but had only had 193 attempts in an offense that had only three basic running plays. Haley has added traps and numerous other running plays to the playbook.
5. Those old linebackers: Watching practice, I now know why Scott Pioli acquired 30-something linebackers Mike Vrabel, Zach Thomas and Monty Beisel. Switching to a 3-4 defense, Pioli needed players who knew the scheme. It may be a tough transition for a defense that has played the 4-3 for years.
Tank Tyler is adjusting well at nose tackle. Former defensive linemen Tamba Hali and Turk McBride are projects as they make the switch to outside linebacker. Hali will start on the outside even though he's not perfect in coverage. You wonder if McBride, a former second-round choice, will make the team. He's being juggled between the second and third team and might be a trade option for teams looking for a defensive lineman.
Derrick Johnson, a fluid weakside linebacker in the 4-3, should be able to run around and make plays at inside linebacker. Dorsey may need time to feel comfortable moving from defensive tackle in a 4-3 to end in a 3-4. It will help having former LSU teammate Tyson Jackson with him at end. I also like what I see from Alex Magee, a 298-pound third-round choice who is playing end.
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John Clayton ain't called "The Professor" for nothing :ksu:
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This is kinda Chiefs related and kinda not. If Jackson gets signed soon he'll be the 14th of 32 First Round picks to sign (44%) either before or right at the beginning of Training Camp. It always baffles me that it takes so long to even start the process of signing guys, I mean the Draft was in April, and that there is always a big rush before Training Camps start. Also, there are always alot of guys with lengthy holdouts. That doesn't seem like it's going to be the case this year. Anybody know why?
Got three more today I believe
26 of the 32 are now signed
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One of the things that the coaching staff really wants to get a grasp on with this first preseason game (Saturday vs. the Texans) is who will return kicks. The answer will come from a pool that consists of sixth-round pick Quinten Lawrence, former Arena League star Rodney Wright and Dantrell Savage, the Chiefs’ leading kick returner last year.
So.....Who ya got?
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Dwayne Bowe practicing with the 2nd team. Your only good target apparently isn't impressing the new brass.
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Dwayne Bowe practicing with the 2nd team. Your only good target apparently isn't impressing the new brass.
I have heard he isn't practicing hard so this is probably a ploy to get him to practice harder... obviously Herm Edwards burned it into these player's brains that the studs on the team don't need to work as hard... Just a step towards making this team better...
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Dwayne Bowe practicing with the 2nd team. Your only good target apparently isn't impressing the new brass.
I have heard he isn't practicing hard so this is probably a ploy to get him to practice harder... obviously Herm Edwards burned it into these player's brains that the studs on the team don't need to work as hard... Just a step towards making this team better...
This is probably correct because he is still their best receiver, however; it doesn't bode well that he doesn't seem to be trying to get any better.
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According to the KC Star, Terrance Copper and Devard Darling are the #1's at WR while Dwayne Bowe and Bobby Engram are listed as #3's. Could be a way for HCTH to get the guys' attention.
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According to the KC Star, Terrance Copper and Devard Darling are the #1's at WR while Dwayne Bowe and Bobby Engram are listed as #3's. Could be a way for HCTH to get the guys' attention.
Maybe... or maybe he is just wanting to see how Darling and Copper respond to being the go to guys early... maybe those guys click better with Cassel than Bowe would... It's tough to tell what this organization is wanting to do so I will just sit back and watch.
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ESPN Insider is doing a Season Preview for the Chiefs. A few highlights:
1. Jamaal Charles is a better fit at RB in HCTH's offense than L.J.
2. Damion McIntosh is done
3. Glenn Dorsey is a bust
Moving on
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2. Damion McIntosh is done
Been known for awhile...
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More Rumor Central.....
With incumbents Jarrad Page and Bernard Pollard ensconced as starters, the Kansas City Chiefs are apparently slotting safety Mike Brown in as merely a backup, a role with which Brown is fine, as per the Kansas City Star.
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Going to be a fun 6-10 season you guys :cheers:
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Going to be a fun 6-10 season you guys :cheers:
6-10 is better than 4-12. I'm just looking forward to watching a team with a direction for the first time since Marty left.
*:ksu: but with an Arrowhead on it*
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Going to be a fun 6-10 season you guys :cheers:
6-10 is better than 4-12. I'm just looking forward to watching a team with a direction for the first time since Marty left.
*:ksu: but with an Arrowhead on it*
:eyeseeyou:
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Mike Vick
He just signed with the Philadelphia Eagles
:eek:
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Mike Vick
He just signed with the Philadelphia Eagles
:eek:
I am just confused on this pickup...
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As much as I hate McNabb if you're going to have Vick and McNabb in the same backfield that could be very interesting.
Another interesting aspect.....
Week 13 (December 6) Philadelphia Eagles at Atlanta Falcons
:love:
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1384094.html
W2W4 Tonight:
1. QB Play
Matt Cassel, Brodie Croyle and Tyler Thigpen played unevenly at camp. That’s understandable because so much is new, but it’s time for some consistency from them. Cassel needs to reduce turnovers.
Unfortunately Tyler Thigpen was the only QB that impressed me. Those were beautiful passes to Rodney Wright and Brad Cottam on that drive and I was especially impressed by the throw to Cottam
2. Defensive Pressure
The Chiefs were encouraged when they got six sacks in last week’s intrasquad scrimmage, but tonight’s game is a much better barometer. They will be very basic, so they’ll need to get pressure with personnel rather than scheme.
The Chiefs did get two sacks (who knew that hitting the QB was actually allowed in football) but there were too many penalties and we didn't get any turnovers
3. Bowe’s work ethic
Hard work is all it will take for Dwayne Bowe to get back into coach Todd Haley’s good graces — and, more importantly, the starting lineup.
Good start with 5 catches for 70 yards (14 yards/catch)
4. The 3-4 defense
The Chiefs drafted defensive end Tyson Jackson third overall with that transition in mind. They need to stuff the run and pressure the QB or else it’ll look like more of the same.
The Texans averaged 3.6 yards/carry but the Chiefs only gave up two runs over more than 10 yards and like we discussed earlier they did get to the QB some
5. How Haley coaches
Haley has said he’ll let Chan Gailey call the plays — but he’s admitted to desires to take over when the offense sputters. He’ll have to keep his cool but make players understand that, although it’s the preseason, the tone will be set as the regular season approaches.
This point can be argued in many different ways. I'll leave this one open to interpretation.
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Chiefs look terrible so far.
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Chiefs look terrible vanilla so far.
Fixed it for you. Absolutely nothing to be learned from the 1st preseason game.
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Chiefs look terrible vanilla so far.
Fixed it for you. Absolutely nothing to be learned from the 1st preseason game.
:powertard: x2
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Listen, low FBIQers, the Griefs are gonna suck.
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Chiefs look terrible vanilla so far.
Fixed it for you. Absolutely nothing to be learned from the 1st preseason game.
There are some things to be learned, however; I wouldn't read too much into it. But if they even looked halfway decent you chiefs fans would be jizzing your pants about how awesome they are going to be. And yes, the chiefs are terrible.
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I've added my thoughts on the game to the original message in this thread
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Thoughts on Ashley Lelie?
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He sucks. (I loved him is first couple years, but he got consistently worse).
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Gotta be an upgrade from Jeff Webb :dunno:
Can't believe that dude made the team this long.
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Gotta be an upgrade from Jeff Webb :dunno:
Can't believe that dude made the team this long.
I guess, but I find it odd that since the Chiefs are seemingly having a problem with dropped balls, they went after the king.
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/1395921.html
W2W4 tonight vs. the Vikings
1. Can Matt Cassel move the offense?
After a preseason debut last week in which he couldn’t advance the offense past midfield, questions arose this week about whether Cassel has made enough of an impression during training camp. He’ll get another shot and is expected to play throughout the first half against Minnesota.
2. Is Dwayne Bowe out of Todd Haley’s doghouse?
After a productive week of practice, he has worked his way back into Haley’s good graces. Whether he starts tonight is another matter, but it appears that Bowe’s focus and work ethic have improved since he was demoted to third team last week. Now, he’ll have to carry that improvement to the game if he’s to stay in good favor.
3. Will the Brett Favre circus affect the Chiefs?
Haley said Thursday that he’s glad the Chiefs are playing in a tough environment tonight, in which Favre returns to the NFL with a new team. Haley said the conditions could be good for the Chiefs, but the defensive players also will have to be careful to not let their emotions backfire.
4. Can the defense repeat its success against Favre?
In last year’s game against the New York Jets, which was Favre’s team at the time, the Chiefs forced him into making mistakes. The new Kansas City unit needs confidence, and an unpracticed Favre might contribute if the Chiefs can pressure him.
5. Can the Chiefs get a win?
With only four victories, including the preseason, in the last 12 months, Kansas City is starved for confidence. Haley said that’s one of the Chiefs’ biggest problems, and it’s important for the team to learn how to finish games. Haley’s biggest challenge will be balancing player evaluation with the pursuit of a win, and tonight’s game against a possible Super Bowl contender won’t make it any easier.
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Lmao, great start for the Griefs
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Liked the way the first team offense and defense looked tonight. Still overall a lot of work to do.
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A fade route on 4th and goal from the one? You have got to be kidding me. :banghead:
I know it's preseason and it really doesn't matter, but that was a stupid decision by Gailey and/or Haley.
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A fade route on 4th and goal from the one? You have got to be kidding me. :banghead:
I know it's preseason and it really doesn't matter, but that was a stupid decision by Gailey and/or Haley.
Its absolutely hilarious. Yes, I as well know it is preseason, but can anyone remember the last time the Chiefs converted on a short yardage situation?
I can't, probably have to go back years.
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/1395921.html
W2W4 tonight vs. the Vikings
1. Can Matt Cassel move the offense?
After a preseason debut last week in which he couldn’t advance the offense past midfield, questions arose this week about whether Cassel has made enough of an impression during training camp. He’ll get another shot and is expected to play throughout the first half against Minnesota.
2. Is Dwayne Bowe out of Todd Haley’s doghouse?
After a productive week of practice, he has worked his way back into Haley’s good graces. Whether he starts tonight is another matter, but it appears that Bowe’s focus and work ethic have improved since he was demoted to third team last week. Now, he’ll have to carry that improvement to the game if he’s to stay in good favor.
3. Will the Brett Favre circus affect the Chiefs?
Haley said Thursday that he’s glad the Chiefs are playing in a tough environment tonight, in which Favre returns to the NFL with a new team. Haley said the conditions could be good for the Chiefs, but the defensive players also will have to be careful to not let their emotions backfire.
4. Can the defense repeat its success against Favre?
In last year’s game against the New York Jets, which was Favre’s team at the time, the Chiefs forced him into making mistakes. The new Kansas City unit needs confidence, and an unpracticed Favre might contribute if the Chiefs can pressure him.
5. Can the Chiefs get a win?
With only four victories, including the preseason, in the last 12 months, Kansas City is starved for confidence. Haley said that’s one of the Chiefs’ biggest problems, and it’s important for the team to learn how to finish games. Haley’s biggest challenge will be balancing player evaluation with the pursuit of a win, and tonight’s game against a possible Super Bowl contender won’t make it any easier.
1. Cassel played very well. He was 9-14 for 99 yards and lead the Chiefs to 10 points. They had two turnovers. I know that one of them was early, a Jammal Charles fumble, but I don't recall the second one. When I saw the Charles fumble I thought the team should have challenged it because I thought he was down.
2. D-Bowe added 3 catches for 37 yards (12.3 yards/catch) and a TD. He played well in the first preseason game as well, so I'm encouraged that he's with the program and will be a great weapon for Cassel throughout the season.
3. The defense played pretty well when Favre was in the game. He was 1-4 for 4 yards and was hurried more than once. It concerned me that Tarvaris Jackson was able to come in and play as well as he did.
4. See #3
5. Wins in the preseason don't matter to me so I don't care that the Chiefs didn't win this game.
All in all, keeping in mind that I only watched the 1st half, I was very happy with what came out of this game. This is the first of many building blocks for this team so I'd like to see the momentum kept up going into the Seattle game where the starters should get the majority of their playing time of the preseason.
:thumbsup:
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The Charles fumble was caused by the ground, but he was not down by contact he just fell on his face, so it was a legit fumble.
Cassel looked much better with Bowe out there. Anyone would look like garbage throwing to those other jokers that started the game.
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I think this is a couple of days late but any opinions on the pair of linemen that the Chiefs picked up earlier this week?
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I think this is a couple of days late but any opinions on the pair of linemen that the Chiefs picked up earlier this week?
Word on the street is that they will be backing up the already struggling o-line. Great pickups.
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1411999.html
5 Things to Watch Tonight in the most important preseason game, if there is such a thing, of the season:
1. Tyler Thigpen’s play
The Chiefs need to decide whether Thigpen is expendable, and he can help them with that decision one way or another. Thigpen probably won’t enter the game until the third quarter, but while he’s in, he needs to show he can operate from a conventional pro offense. His throwing accuracy after dropping back from center has been lousy.
2. Create turnovers
The Chiefs haven’t taken the ball away from an opponent in two preseason games. They have the personnel to get that done, and now’s the time to set the tone for the regular season. They’ve done a decent job against two strong rushing teams and have sporadically put pressure on the opposing quarterback but haven’t yet converted that to turnovers.
3. Better offensive-line play
Larry Johnson is averaging a paltry 2.8 yards per carry in the preseason, and Matt Cassel spent most of his time in last week’s game running for his life. All of that has to change. The Chiefs plan no starting lineup changes tonight but could give some guys a look. That list includes Ike Ndukwe at right tackle. If he plays well, he could be a starter by next week.
4. Ryan Succop
The last of the Chiefs’ eight draft picks is having the biggest impact yet. He’s kicked off well and shown consistency on his field-goal attempts. If that continues, he will be a steal of the draft.
5. Big plays at wide receiver
The Chiefs’ longest pass play of the preseason is 22 yards. That’s not all the fault of the receivers. Usually the quarterbacks haven’t had time to look down the field. But the Chiefs are still searching for someone to complement Dwayne Bowe. This would be a good week for Mark Bradley to have a big game. He might need one to secure a roster spot.
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Cassel's hurt!
:ohno:
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The Chiefs can be summed up by the following...
1. The o-line sucks
2. The o-line sucks
and
3. The o-line sucks something fierce...
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Brandon Flowers with the INT return for a TD!!!!!
:woohoo:
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Tyson Jackson with the sack that takes them out of FG range!
:popcorn:
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Cassel's hurt!
:ohno:
Good update on Cassel. It sounds like he could come back in if he had to.
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Gotta hang onto the rock. One fumble and one near fumble already. L.J.'s hobbling now.
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Charles is such an explosive runner. We're knocking on the door again.
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Succop shanks one!!!!!
:banghead:
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Seattle returns the favor and goes shankapotomus on a FG!
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Devard Darling goes down
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You having a good convo with yourself CF0506?
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1411999.html
5 Things to Watch Tonight in the most important preseason game, if there is such a thing, of the season:
1. Tyler Thigpen’s play
The Chiefs need to decide whether Thigpen is expendable, and he can help them with that decision one way or another. Thigpen probably won’t enter the game until the third quarter, but while he’s in, he needs to show he can operate from a conventional pro offense. His throwing accuracy after dropping back from center has been lousy.
2. Create turnovers
The Chiefs haven’t taken the ball away from an opponent in two preseason games. They have the personnel to get that done, and now’s the time to set the tone for the regular season. They’ve done a decent job against two strong rushing teams and have sporadically put pressure on the opposing quarterback but haven’t yet converted that to turnovers.
3. Better offensive-line play
Larry Johnson is averaging a paltry 2.8 yards per carry in the preseason, and Matt Cassel spent most of his time in last week’s game running for his life. All of that has to change. The Chiefs plan no starting lineup changes tonight but could give some guys a look. That list includes Ike Ndukwe at right tackle. If he plays well, he could be a starter by next week.
4. Ryan Succop
The last of the Chiefs’ eight draft picks is having the biggest impact yet. He’s kicked off well and shown consistency on his field-goal attempts. If that continues, he will be a steal of the draft.
5. Big plays at wide receiver
The Chiefs’ longest pass play of the preseason is 22 yards. That’s not all the fault of the receivers. Usually the quarterbacks haven’t had time to look down the field. But the Chiefs are still searching for someone to complement Dwayne Bowe. This would be a good week for Mark Bradley to have a big game. He might need one to secure a roster spot.
1. Thigpen and Gutierrez were a combined 18-28 for 152 yards and 2 picks. If Cassel is out for any extended period of time, which I don't think he will be, we're screwed. We may be screwed anyway, though, with this mess of an offensive line
2. We finally got a turnover with Flowers' 28 yard INT return for a TD. Of course, in typical Chiefs fashion, he got hurt and had to leave the game
3. The offensive line only allowed the offense to accumulate 260 total yards (152 through the air and 108 on the ground) and they got Cassel killed. Offensive line.....BAD! BAD! BAD!
4. Ryan Succop made a field goal from 35 yards in the fourth quarter, but missed from 28 yards and had a 53-yard attempt carom off the crossbar with 4 seconds left in the first half
5. We did have 5 receivers with double digit yards/catch (Ashley Lelie, Dwayne Bowe, Quinten Lawrence, Rodney Wright and "Fine Dressed" Amani Toomer) but Mark Bradley may be on his way out of town
Preseason football is basically over in my eyes. I'm more optimistic about this Chiefs team than I've been about a Chiefs team in a number of years. I know we're not Super Bowl contenders yet but I don't think we're 3-13 or 4-12 bad either. I think we're going to be ok defensively and, as long as Cassel is ok, I think we have seen flashes of good thing offensively. If somehow we can find an offensive line that can block someone, I believe the Chiefs can surprise this year. San Diego should win the division by 5 miles but, with Denver and Oakland as the other teams the Chiefs are going to have to compete with, I'd like to see the Chiefs win 6-7 games this year.
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You having a good convo with yourself CF0506?
LOL. cf0506 is one of the worst posters on this board imo.
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You having a good convo with yourself CF0506?
LOL. cf0506 is one of the worst most knowledgeable, who makes me look REALLY dumb, posters on this board imo.
Yeah
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Cassel out 2-4 weeks with an MCL strain. Will miss season opener.
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http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/08/31/chan_gailey_relieved_of_duties_as_chiefs_offensive_coordinator/
OCCG has been fired! More in a bit!
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jfc, what a mess
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we're boned, almost as much as denver and oakland
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obviously Gailey and Haley had a differencing of styles. Glad to see this regime is getting rid of the people that truly don't deserve to be here...
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obviously Gailey and Haley had a differencing of styles. Glad to see this regime is getting rid of the people that truly don't deserve to be here...
I'm not surprised, new coaches always bring in their own guys, I'm just curious as to why it took 6 months and 25 days!
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Cassel out 2-4 weeks with an MCL strain. Will miss season opener.
I was just watching SportsNation and they said that Adam Schefter is reporting that Cassel will be available for Week 1!
:D
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Let thiggy start week 1. The Ravens will rape the O line and kill the QB.
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Cassel out 2-4 weeks with an MCL strain. Will miss season opener.
I was just watching SportsNation and they said that Adam Schefter is reporting that Cassel will be available for Week 1!
:D
Impossible to tell.
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Roster moves -
Released -
Amani Toomer
Alfonso Boone
Cameron Goldberg
Devard Darling - Placed on IR
Kolby Smith - PUP List
:crybaby:
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Roster moves -
Released -
Amani Toomer
Alfonso Boone
Cameron Goldberg
Devard Darling - Placed on IR
Kolby Smith - PUP List
:crybaby:
Gonna be a long year
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Gonna be a long year
Should be the Chiefs slogan this year.
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Mike and Mike, which was actually Mike and Mark, did their Chiefs Two-A-Days this morning.
1. Is Matt Cassel the long term solution at quarterback?
Mark: You payed him to be the long term solution. Good quarterback not great. Going to be on a bad team.
2. Will Charles take carries away from L.J.?
Mark: Likes Charles' upside better. Thinks that L.J. still acts disinterested most of the time.
3. Is D-Bowe ready to be a Pro Bowler?
Mark: He is big time but he's going to be the guy that everybody looks to stop. Won't have a big year.
4. Can anybody get at least 10 sacks this season?
Mark: No.
5. Record?
Mark: 5-11
Greeny: 4-12
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Kolby Smith - PUP List
Haley stole this (^) straight from Ron's "Genius Binder." :curse: ;)
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Kolby Smith - PUP List
Haley stole this (^) straight from Ron's "Genius Binder." :curse: ;)
Uh.....The PUP list has existed for as long as I've been watching football
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Cuts -
OL Damion McIntosh
OL Herb Taylor
OL Eric Ghiaciuc
OL Tavares Washington
FB Jed Collins
LB Corey Smith
CB Travis Daniels
CB Londen Fryar