Mr. Krause’s involvement in the Athletics Department was more than cursory. During the period
under review, Mr. Krause participated in contract and compensation negotiations for head coaches
and Athletics Director Tim Weiser, often being the only signatory to the contract on behalf of the
Athletics Department or University as the Vice President for Institutional Advancement and/or the
sole member of the Athletics Director Compensation Committee.
For instance, Mr. Weiser received his additional
compensation through an entity named “The Weiser Way.” Mr. Wooldridge received his additional
compensation through an entity named “Pershing.” Mr. Snyder received his additional compensation
through an entity named “SSM, Inc.” and Mr. Krause, at times, received his through an entity named
“Horizon Ranch.”
http://www.kansasregents.org/download/news/061909%20-%20Press%20Release%20-%20KSU%20Exit%20Analysis.pdf
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jfc, that thing is a goldmine.QuoteFor instance, Mr. Weiser received his additional
compensation through an entity named “The Weiser Way.” Mr. Wooldridge received his additional
compensation through an entity named “Pershing.” Mr. Snyder received his additional compensation
through an entity named “SSM, Inc.” and Mr. Krause, at times, received his through an entity named
“Horizon Ranch.”
lollers. The Weiser Way.
sweet jesus.QuoteMr. Krause’s involvement in the Athletics Department was more than cursory. During the period
under review, Mr. Krause participated in contract and compensation negotiations for head coaches
and Athletics Director Tim Weiser, often being the only signatory to the contract on behalf of the
Athletics Department or University as the Vice President for Institutional Advancement and/or the
sole member of the Athletics Director Compensation Committee.
In Pursuit of Perfection is going to be rich.
The rest of the stuff doesn't shock me at all based on how I had heard Weefer was running the school as if he were king.
The rest of the stuff doesn't shock me at all based on how I had heard Weefer was running the school as if he were king.
Weefdoms...er, Fiefdoms...have lords, not kings.
sweet jesus.QuoteMr. Krause’s involvement in the Athletics Department was more than cursory. During the period
under review, Mr. Krause participated in contract and compensation negotiations for head coaches
and Athletics Director Tim Weiser, often being the only signatory to the contract on behalf of the
Athletics Department or University as the Vice President for Institutional Advancement and/or the
sole member of the Athletics Director Compensation Committee.
In Pursuit of Perfection is going to be rich.
Yep . . . as far as the audit says, it was absolutely within precedence for Krause to be the only signatory on contracts. Once Prince and company pull out that little tidbit, K-State won't have a leg to stand on in their lawsuit.
Spend that $3.2 million dollars well IPP.
sweet jesus.QuoteMr. Krause’s involvement in the Athletics Department was more than cursory. During the period
under review, Mr. Krause participated in contract and compensation negotiations for head coaches
and Athletics Director Tim Weiser, often being the only signatory to the contract on behalf of the
Athletics Department or University as the Vice President for Institutional Advancement and/or the
sole member of the Athletics Director Compensation Committee.
In Pursuit of Perfection is going to be rich.
Yep . . . as far as the audit says, it was absolutely within precedence for Krause to be the only signatory on contracts. Once Prince and company pull out that little tidbit, K-State won't have a leg to stand on in their lawsuit.
Spend that $3.2 million dollars well IPP.
I bet Ron's lawyer's are just laughing their asses off. Grant Thornton should get a cut of that check.
Oh and one more thing.
For all you "Weiser was great" tards, particularly the powertards that lurk on this board who constantly say that.
Eat a dick.
The guy was a sleaze bucket, who now has millions of dollars of K-State's money in his pocket.
The only hope for KSU is if they can show that some of these "sole signatory" deals were done when Krause was VPIA, and thus was authorized to do so. Then IPP counters that they knew Krause was running around all over the place making "deals" on behalf of K-State so why would they for one second believe or question that Bob Krause wasn't authorized to make the deal with them. Even if it gets settled out of court this disclosure alone probably pumps that settlement up another $500K.
Oh and one more thing.
For all you "Weiser was great" tards, particularly the powertards that lurk on this board who constantly say that.
Eat a dick.
The guy was a sleaze bucket, who now has millions of dollars of K-State's money in his pocket.
Everything is relative, I guess. Of the two, TW is not the former AD I would label a sleaze bucket. I guess the question is, which is worse, benefiting from shady $$ deals, or thinking up and carrying out shady $$ deals? Hopefully ADJC can recognize the areas that TW was good at, however few of them there may or may not be, and then pull a Costanza and do the opposite of whatever BK was doing. If he can do that, and bring his own skillz to the table, we have a chance to take a step forward.
But this audit is basically what many folks on campus and in the AD knew for years...
IDK if i should devote all my EMAW to the cats, or if I should put it all towards hating Weefs and Krause
:baitno:IDK if i should devote all my EMAW to the cats, or if I should put it all towards hating Weefs and Krause
Why leave out Snyder as well? Seems he was very aware of all of this and benefitted as well.
Grand Mere Development is the luxury residential/commercial development surrounding the Golf Course. Grand
Mere Development is owned by members of the Vanier family. The Vanier family are significant supporters of the
University and the Athletics Department and are the in-laws of Mr. Krause. Mr. Krause stated that he and his wife do
not have any financial ownership or interest in Grand Mere Development.
Mr. Krause indicated that the $20,000 per year paid by the Athletics Department was to reimburse the Golf Course for the golf teams’ use of the locker area and indoor practice facilities.
However, the practice facilities appear to be available to the golf teams without charge per the Operating Lease and $20,000 a year for the use of the locker area could be seen by some as questionable.
Mr. Krause, the current Athletics Director, serves as the Assistant Treasurer of KSUGCMRF and has check approval and signatory authority.
Of the cash disbursements selected for testing, only 60% had a payment request in the form of a formal memo or informal notation, and only 7% had any notation that could be considered an “approval.” Copies of checks were attached to only 9% of the cash disbursement packets tested. We noted disbursements paid to Mr. Haney for reimbursement of expenses were not approved. We also noted disbursements for “Cash” totaling $4,000, but most did not have evidence of approval.
3 In fiscal year 2007, Mr. Krause was a 15% employee of NISTAC/MTM per his contract with those entities and a 90%
employee with the University as Vice President for Institutional Advancement. His total contracted time totaled 105%.
4 NISTAC declined to identify other “Angel Investors” due to confidentiality concerns. However, it was verbally
indicated that only Dr. Wefald and Mr. Krause were the only “Angel Investors” that were employed by the University or
any of its affiliates.
Per Mr. Cavello, the purpose of the Imprest Account was to provide funds in cases where payment was
needed sooner than the 10 day processing period for payments going through the Bank 14 account. He
indicated that payments through the Imprest Account (also known as the “Contingency Fund”) were for staff
and team travel. Our analysis has shown that approximately $1,400,000 in annual disbursements flowed
through the Imprest Account during Fiscal Years 2003 through 2005 and approximately $2,000,000 in annual
disbursements during Fiscal Years 2006 through 2008.
While approximately 95% of these disbursements were for travel-related payments and reimbursements,
...we found a number of contract payments to the personal corporations of Mr. Weiser, Mr. Snyder and Mr.
Krause for compensation in excess of their base salary. The majority of such payments were made through
the Bank 14 account maintained by the University Controller’s office. It is not clear why contract payments
would be made through the Imprest Account as they do not relate to travel. As with other payments to
employees’ personal corporations, the supporting documentation was minimal, usually consisting of an email
from Mr. Cavello to Ms. Christy Scott directing that a payment be made.
We obtained a file memo dated July 28, 2005 from Ms. Christy Scott which memorialized one such payment to Mr. Weiser’s personal corporation
and stated “For confidentiality reasons, the check will be written from the Imprest account…” Our analysis
of Mr. Weiser’s compensation showed that the amount paid represented payments due him under his 2005
contract and it is unclear why this particular payment required confidentiality, or from whom.
The following fringe benefits were also noted: country club membership,founder privilege at Colbert Hills, the use of football facilities for football camps, football suite as long as he lives in the Manhattan, Kansas area, home football game tickets, home basketball game tickets, two courtesy
vehicles, undergraduate education expenses for his daughters, and a guaranteed 5-year contract extension as
Associate Athletics Director for his son after Coach Snyder’s departure.
QuoteWe obtained a file memo dated July 28, 2005 from Ms. Christy Scott which memorialized one such payment to Mr. Weiser’s personal corporation
and stated “For confidentiality reasons, the check will be written from the Imprest account…” Our analysis
of Mr. Weiser’s compensation showed that the amount paid represented payments due him under his 2005
contract and it is unclear why this particular payment required confidentiality, or from whom.
I'm no tax lawyer, but wouldn't this be for purposes of money laundering/tax evasion?
QuoteThe following fringe benefits were also noted: country club membership,founder privilege at Colbert Hills, the use of football facilities for football camps, football suite as long as he lives in the Manhattan, Kansas area, home football game tickets, home basketball game tickets, two courtesy
vehicles, undergraduate education expenses for his daughters, and a guaranteed 5-year contract extension as
Associate Athletics Director for his son after Coach Snyder’s departure.
You know what?
frack you Snyder.
frack your daughter's free undergrad education despite your ridic salary.
frack your Fredo ass free-riding son.
frack your fracking name on OUR fracking stadium.
Why don't we add the frackING ENTIRE EQUESTRIAN PROGRAM AS A GODDAMN frackING FRINGE BENEFIT? WHAT WOULD THE TOTALS BE APPROACHING THEN?
We are increasing tuition rates. We are increasing student fees. We are forcing professors to go on furlough. We are closing down offices and departments throughout campus during summer months and BOB KRAUSE is receiving preferred stock options, excess payments to his LLC and yanking random funds from other ACADEMIC SIDE INSTITUTIONAL FUNDS to add to his fracking "DiscretionarySLUSH FUND"
frack YOU ALL!
QuoteThe following fringe benefits were also noted: country club membership,founder privilege at Colbert Hills, the use of football facilities for football camps, football suite as long as he lives in the Manhattan, Kansas area, home football game tickets, home basketball game tickets, two courtesy
vehicles, undergraduate education expenses for his daughters, and a guaranteed 5-year contract extension as
Associate Athletics Director for his son after Coach Snyder’s departure.
You know what?
frack you Snyder.
frack your daughter's free undergrad education despite your ridic salary.
frack your Fredo ass free-riding son.
frack your fracking name on OUR fracking stadium.
Why don't we add the frackING ENTIRE EQUESTRIAN PROGRAM AS A GODDAMN frackING FRINGE BENEFIT? WHAT WOULD THE TOTALS BE APPROACHING THEN?
We are increasing tuition rates. We are increasing student fees. We are forcing professors to go on furlough. We are closing down offices and departments throughout campus during summer months and BOB KRAUSE is receiving preferred stock options, excess payments to his LLC and yanking random funds from other ACADEMIC SIDE INSTITUTIONAL FUNDS to add to his fracking "DiscretionarySLUSH FUND"
frack YOU ALL!
I'm going to go ahead and Quote This For Mother F^cking Truth.
But the real kicker . . . a guaranteed 5 year contract for Sean Snyder upon OB's exit?? Seriously . . . WTF??
•The Kansas State University Foundation, which provides funds for scholarships, had a $2.4 million deficit in 2007. The athletic department eventually replaced part of the shortfall.
“We questioned the athletics department’s responsibility for involvement in this transaction and were told that as the athletics department fell under the purview of Mr. Krause, Mr. Krause elected to solve the issue in this manner and that the athletics department clearly did not have any responsibility for the payments. Per President Wefald, this arrangement was negotiated with his knowledge and approval,” according to the audit.
“He did do a lot of good,” Wefald said. “But Bob had too much to do. I probably delegated too much authority to him. I wouldn’t do that again.”
But the real kicker . . . a guaranteed 5 year contract for Sean Snyder upon OB's exit?? Seriously . . . WTF??
This was the nail in the coffin for me. It is well known that Sean is absolutely useless.
Krause pretty much has to move from the state now, right?
One of the real kickers here is this is a land grant state school, not Stanford or Harvard who have billion $ endowments. These dicks were stealing from a little old lady.
Me thinks some of you are forgetting that KSU would not be in a BCS conference, and it is easily plausible they'd be struggling to even have a front door without Bill Snyder. Whatever his take in perks he's provided millions above that to KSU. Hell, my kids get free undergrad and I don't provide diddly by comparison, as do many children of faculty across this country.
Me thinks some of you are forgetting that KSU would not be in a BCS conference, and it is easily plausible they'd be struggling to even have a front door without Bill Snyder. Whatever his take in perks he's provided millions above that to KSU. Hell, my kids get free undergrad and I don't provide diddly by comparison, as do many children of faculty across this country.
i don't necessarily care about the free tuition, it's more about showing (through that report) that bill isn't the goddamn saint that he's made out to be.
and jfc, those people that say we don't have money for this or that....no sh*t, when we're wasting it on paying f'ing Bob Krause "overload" money. i mean, wtf is "overload" money....you mean some guy getting paid sh*tloads of money works long hours? put him on hourly then.
i don't necessarily care about the free tuition, it's more about showing (through that report) that bill isn't the goddamn saint that he's made out to be.
and jfc, those people that say we don't have money for this or that....no sh*t, when we're wasting it on paying f'ing Bob Krause "overload" money. i mean, wtf is "overload" money....you mean some guy getting paid sh*tloads of money works long hours? put him on hourly then.
i don't necessarily care about the free tuition, it's more about showing (through that report) that bill isn't the goddamn saint that he's made out to be.
and jfc, those people that say we don't have money for this or that....no sh*t, when we're wasting it on paying f'ing Bob Krause "overload" money. i mean, wtf is "overload" money....you mean some guy getting paid sh*tloads of money works long hours? put him on hourly then.
Overload is just them stealing from a public university to enrich themselves. No different then Hank Greenberg using AIG as his personal checking account. I suppose technically it isn't theft but it's repugnant for people who professed to have the University's best interests at heart. I wonder how many donors who wrote large checks would have made the check out to Bob Krause or Tim Weiser personally. Because ultimately that's who was taking the money.
fracking crooks should run out of town now. Weefs needs to move in the dead of night like the Baltimore Colts. Want to bet he takes the light bulbs and copper wiring out of the President's residence when he leaves?
hey moron. He isn't under IRS audit. Instead of reading the executive summary done by a moronic beat reporter (which your poor reading comprehension skills don't allow you to comprehend anyway) from the LJW why not pull up your big boy pants and read the .pdf?
hey moron. He isn't under IRS audit. Instead of reading the executive summary done by a moronic beat reporter (which your poor reading comprehension skills don't allow you to comprehend anyway) from the LJW why not pull up your big boy pants and read the .pdf?
He IS mentioned in the IRS audit. The IRS wants the specifics on his contract and is now looking into if he is receiving $$ and not paying taxes on it.
Anyone else continually feel great for sonofdaxjones while reading the audit? I was happy knowing how happy dax must be with 30+ pages of KSU financial stuff to read. Christmas came early this year.
:) <-- Trim reading the audit thinking about dax reading the audit
hey moron. He isn't under IRS audit. Instead of reading the executive summary done by a moronic beat reporter (which your poor reading comprehension skills don't allow you to comprehend anyway) from the LJW why not pull up your big boy pants and read the .pdf?
He IS mentioned in the IRS audit. The IRS wants the specifics on his contract and is now looking into if he is receiving $$ and not paying taxes on it.
Please post link to "IRS audit."
TIA
LOLOLOLOLOL. OK, spin it the way you want it, but when it comes down, you will know the truth LOLOLOLOL
LOLOLOLOLOL. OK, spin it the way you want it, but when it comes down, you will know the truth LOLOLOLOL
Pointing out the fact what you called an IRS Audit is in fact not an IRS audit is spin? Pointing out your stupidity is spin?
Kat Kid . . . while I agree that K-State isn't loaded with money, what's absolutely astounding to me is this. During most of the last 8 years K-State has been getting record donations to the Foundation, the Ahearn Fund has more members than ever, it's getting record donations so that under the right management things would be looking very good. Heck, right now the Foundation is getting donations to make up for the investment difficulties in the Endowment pool so they may night have to cut back in scholarships.
So here's all this momentum . . . and behind the scenes there's these dickweeds pissing all the momentum away.
Plus once again, F_ck You Tim Weiser . . . you ran around all the time pissing and moaning about how K-State just couldn't "write checks for this, or write checks for that" . . . well apparently there was enough cash around to give you a $500K don't ask, don't tell loan on top of the $700K a year K-State athletics was paying your ass.
Now . . . the new administration has to come in, and while the entire Regents system is battling to keep its head above, the new administration has to fight that and a credibility issue for K-State.
Kirk Schulz and John Currie will earn every penny they make in the next 12 to 18 months, I don't envy their position one bit.
LOLOLOLOLOL. OK, spin it the way you want it, but when it comes down, you will know the truth LOLOLOLOL
Pointing out the fact what you called an IRS Audit is in fact not an IRS audit is spin? Pointing out your stupidity is spin?
:runaway:Spin it any way you want. Snyder will be audited.
Kat Kid . . . while I agree that K-State isn't loaded with money, what's absolutely astounding to me is this. During most of the last 8 years K-State has been getting record donations to the Foundation, the Ahearn Fund has more members than ever, it's getting record donations so that under the right management things would be looking very good. Heck, right now the Foundation is getting donations to make up for the investment difficulties in the Endowment pool so they may night have to cut back in scholarships.
Now . . . the new administration has to come in, and while the entire Regents system is battling to keep its head above, the new administration has to fight that and a credibility issue for K-State.
Kirk Schulz and John Currie will earn every penny they make in the next 12 to 18 months, I don't envy their position one bit.
Kat Kid . . . while I agree that K-State isn't loaded with money, what's absolutely astounding to me is this. During most of the last 8 years K-State has been getting record donations to the Foundation, the Ahearn Fund has more members than ever, it's getting record donations so that under the right management things would be looking very good. Heck, right now the Foundation is getting donations to make up for the investment difficulties in the Endowment pool so they may night have to cut back in scholarships.
Absolutely agree. K-State has done a pretty excellent job maximizing donations. But Jesus look at the amount of effort put in to the thing and they do it on a relatively shoestring budget. I mean we have volunteer undergrads hitting people up for money every year as our main fundraiser. I'm just saying that schools like Texas or A&M look at us like a glorified JUCO on a fundraising/endowment level.
I'm not saying that these people necessarily posed an existential threat, but the fact that this is coming down the pike when many institutions have sustained losses in their investments, coupled with reduced contributions already being realized and projected going forward, AND reduced state revenue due to budget cuts AND reduced student loans due to credit crunch AND higher tuition/student fees AND near certainty that a student's parents have sustained a significant hit to their personal wealth makes it a little tough to stomach.
I know I don't have to lecture you on this but I find it instructive that the 5 schools ahead/behind us in endowments are:
177 Villanova University
178 UC San Diego Foundation
179 College of the Ozarks
180 Spelman College
181 University of St. Thomas (Minnesota)
182 Kansas State University Foundation
183 National University
184 VMI Foundation, Inc.
185 University of New Mexico and Foundation
186 Franklin and Marshall College
187 University of Wisconsin System
And no offense, but Ahearn fund membership numbers are tied to the donation structure. I could set it up so that you saw an increase in membership yearly.
frack that. I could run K-State ticketing better than K-State.QuoteNow . . . the new administration has to come in, and while the entire Regents system is battling to keep its head above, the new administration has to fight that and a credibility issue for K-State.
Kirk Schulz and John Currie will earn every penny they make in the next 12 to 18 months, I don't envy their position one bit.
Absolutely agree. This truly could not have come at a worse time.
The story is completely false. Just warning you guys so you don't get your hopes up.
I think I'm officially going to turn into dax on here from now on:
Kansas Seminole. . . proving the "value" of a ku education one post at a time. Only a ku degree could come up with that level of literacy.
Speaking of literacy. . . two KSU students recently received the prestigious Midwest Association for Canadian Studies Award for best graduate and best undergraduate research.
Just another example of Kansas State leading the way and ku. . . not.
Tried posting this earlier but seems to be gone???? I didn't get a reason, so I will post it again..
You're kinda dumb dude. There's really no differences academically between K-State and ku.I think I'm officially going to turn into dax on here from now on:
Kansas Seminole. . . proving the "value" of a ku education one post at a time. Only a ku degree could come up with that level of literacy.
Speaking of literacy. . . two KSU students recently received the prestigious Midwest Association for Canadian Studies Award for best graduate and best undergraduate research.
Just another example of Kansas State leading the way and ku. . . not.
1. I doubt Kansas Seminole actually went to ku
2. ku is ranked ahead of K-State in virtually every category, including US News' top 100 schools. An education from K-State is like getting an associates degree from Butler Community College.
LOLOLOLOLOL. OK, spin it the way you want it, but when it comes down, you will know the truth LOLOLOLOL
Pointing out the fact what you called an IRS Audit is in fact not an IRS audit is spin? Pointing out your stupidity is spin?
Very interesting to find out about all this stuff going on behind the scenes. Makes you realize there are hardly anygoodethical guys running things anymore. But if you kutards think this type of thing doesn't go on at uk, you are more retarded than i thought. It may not be run by as big of idiots as K-state, but i would bet money there are some very interesting contracts at uk.... i.e. Free Frosties at Wendy's for Mangino, Free Rograine at Walgreens for Self, etc...
I was actually kind of surprised to find that Snyder is just as greedy as I would be in his position.
I was actually kind of surprised to find that Snyder is just as greedy as I would be in his position.
I was actually kind of surprised to find that Snyder is just as greedy as I would be in his position.
Maybe I'm just a power-tard Snyder-lover, but I don't get all the Snyder hate related to this. As long as he had a decent accountant and paid the taxes on the portion of his income that went through his LLC, I can't tell what he did wrong, other than do a much better job of negotiating his contract than the professors and rowing coach. He still left a lot of money on the table over the years, imo. So he took care of his son, bfd. It wasn't Snyder's responsiblity to protect KSU's interest when negotiating his employment contract; all of that lies squarely at the feet of Weef/Krause. If they were willing to give it, I really can't blame Snyder for taking it.
And I don't remember Snyder ever saying that he was willing turn down $$$ to benefit KSU. If he did, LOL at anyone that actually believed it.
A little exit analysis
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Nothing like a little light reading for a Friday afternoon, huh?
Hopefully you've had a chance to wade through the 34-page K-State audit released yesterday by the Kansas Board of Regents. We tried to hit the high points in print, but let's be honest, there's a lot of information there.
Once you finish reading, here's an interesting question: Who's really to blame for this mess?
The easy answer is Bob Krause: His name shows up more than any other in the report, and the auditors clearly saw his unchecked power as the source of most of K-State's problems.
But remember: Krause's power came from Wefald, and it was granted for a reason. By putting Krause in charge of so many different things, Wefald was able to expand his influence within the university without getting his hands dirty. As much as Wefald talks about hiring good people and letting them do their jobs, it's pretty clear he used Krause to gain control of certain university entities.
The audit doesn't spend much time addressing this dynamic - that wasn't really the purpose - but there is this one sentence that pretty much spells it out:
"However, we found that the concentration of influence by President Wefald through his aggregation of reporting and oversight duties in Mr. Krause has led to a blurring of the lines between some of the entities we reviewed."
In other words, everything goes back to the top. Always has.
You can bet that sentence will show up again if and when the lawsuit involving Ron Prince's secret agreement goes to court. It's going to be hard to argue, given the documented Krause/Wefald dynamic, that the agreement could have been negotiated without the president's knowledge.
But I think it's too simplistic to paint Krause as a yes-man who blindly did Wefald's bidding. I'm just speculating here, but I think it was more complex than that.
I have a friend who compares Krause to Dick Cheney, and the analogy seems spot-on, minus the waterboarding and such. I mean, didn't we hear exactly the same things about the Bush White House, about how Cheney's power ended up short-circuiting a lot of built-in checks and balances?
Put it this way: If you get really good at giving people exactly what they want, sometimes you can slip your own agenda in there without anyone noticing.
There's a scene in "W." where Cheney convinces Dubya to sign off on, uh, enhanced interrogation techniques while the president is eating a sandwich, which is exactly how I picture the secret-agreement conversation between Krause and Wefald. Trust me, Mr. President. This will be for the best.
Anyway, I digress. All this audit stuff actually preempted a post I was writing about AD John Currie's visit to Topeka, which I'll hopefully get to eventually.
But the point is, give Currie and new president Kirk Schulz credit for pushing for disclosure. Granted, it's easier to be transparent when it's someone else's mess, but K-State's new leaders are handling this the right way.
The bottom line is, these guys don't seem to view transparency as a threat to their power. Even when they chose not to disclosure certain things -- like the reasons for suspending two longtime administrators last week -- they understand (maybe even appreciate) that it's always our job to push for more information, and that it's healthy to have a dynamic in which leaders are held accountable for their decisions. That'll be a nice change.
K-State’s golden era tarnished by financial audit
JASON WHITLOCK COMMENTARY
The Kansas Board of Regents chopped down Jon Wefald, Bob Krause and Bill Snyder in the public arena, choosing to disclose a financial audit the regents surely understood paints Wefald, Krause and Snyder as shady, clueless and drunk on power.
I read the 34-page report. I read the newspaper accounts summarizing the audit. I’m still unclear of who did what, when and where.
My impression is that Wefald, Krause, Snyder and anyone connected to Kansas State athletics during the school’s “football powerhouse era” cashed in on the record and off.
Even Tim Weiser, who had little to do with the golden era, received a no-questions-asked $500,000 loan. Thirteen payments to Krause, Snyder, Weiser and others totaling close to $1 million cannot be accounted for or explained.
The $3 million secret buyout Krause agreed to give Ron Prince seems to be part of a pattern of financial mismanagement at K-State under Wefald’s presidency.
No wonder Kirk Schulz, Kansas State’s new president, said he welcomed the regents’ decision to make the audit public. Schulz is the lone winner in this fiasco. He escapes Wefald’s shadow and gains valuable leverage over Snyder, the iconic football coach.
“The Miracle in Manhattan” now has an enlightening postscript, “The Madoff in Manhattan.”
In retrospect, there is virtually no reason for surprise.
You do not dig out from an NCAA football hell hole, become celebrated as the saviors of a self-esteem-challenged university without cutting a few corners and believing you’re above the ethical standards of transparency that you preach.
My opinions of Jon Wefald and Bill Snyder have not changed. I respect them immensely. I’m astonished by their accomplishments. But I always regarded them as human and therefore flawed. Greed, arrogance and a sense of entitlement can invade their mind-set as easily as yours.
The truth is, Wefald, Krause and Snyder needed to be chopped down for the university to move forward.
I suspect the audit would’ve remained private had Wefald and Krause not renamed Snyder as head football coach on their way out the door. Re-installing Snyder as the unofficial president of the university was/is a serious impediment to Schulz.
Prince should’ve been left in place for one more season, which would’ve allowed Schulz and the new athletic director to fire Prince and hire their own football coach.
Now, after the disclosure of the audit, Snyder can be removed as coach without sparking a civil war in Manhattan. Unless Snyder ignites an amazing resurgence, I expect the university to convince him to re-retire after the 2010 season.
There is also the possibility that Snyder will retire again after the conclusion of the upcoming season. This would be the ideal solution.
Krause’s influence has already been stripped. He resigned from his golden-parachute job at the school’s Olathe campus after the Ron Prince payoff came to light.
Wefald’s influence in Manhattan has now been substantially diminished. He will be fondly remembered as the man who hired and empowered Snyder. Wefald will still get credit for energizing the entire campus, elevating enrollment and improving the school’s academic standing.
But it’s now clear Wefald’s time has come and gone. He spent the last five years trying to duplicate the Bill Snyder hire. That desperation led to Bob Huggins using and embarrassing the university. That desperation led to Ron Prince demanding and receiving a raise after doing very little. That desperation led to Dalonte Hill receiving a ridiculous salary for an unproven assistant basketball coach.
K-State’s athletic department has been completely out of control for years.
The release of the audit gives Kirk Schulz a chance to restore order to the university’s front porch.
People who love the university should politely pressure Wefald and Snyder to resist any urges to fight the changes that Schulz plans to implement.
Wefald and Snyder had their era. It was an incredible success largely because people allowed them to lead. They should give Schulz the same freedom.
I'm assuming you feel the same re. Prince and his contract/buyout. I do fwiw. But I don't like him either.
K-State’s golden era tarnished by financial audit
JASON WHITLOCK COMMENTARY
...The truth is, Wefald, Krause and Snyder needed to be chopped down for the university to move forward.
Snyder will be audited, wait for it....wait for it.....wait for it....
"Because the US Gov. Can Wait for It's Money"
KRAUSE: Look, Jim, don't think I'm not understanding what you're trying to ask, it's just... dude, listen, I've hit the school up for $300K over the last seven years in advising fees. And I work there. Think I feel bad about that? No. I bought a boat, partner. A big one, on Feel Bad Lake in Krausey-got-paid County.
http://www.kansas.com/708/story/861621.html
:DQuoteKRAUSE: Look, Jim, don't think I'm not understanding what you're trying to ask, it's just... dude, listen, I've hit the school up for $300K over the last seven years in advising fees. And I work there. Think I feel bad about that? No. I bought a boat, partner. A big one, on Feel Bad Lake in Krausey-got-paid County.
KRAUSE: You know it. Ain't no way. I guarantee you guys that the economy is starting to shape up, and after McCain gets elected... man! People will be lining their pockets with cash! Ticket sales are gonna go through the roof!
KRAUSE: Look, Jim, don't think I'm not understanding what you're trying to ask, it's just... dude, listen, I've hit the school up for $300K over the last seven years in advising fees. And I work there. Think I feel bad about that? No. I bought a boat, partner. A big one, on Feel Bad Lake in Krausey-got-paid County. And you will too, someday. Now wake Cavello up, will ya? It's time to pay the check. (Epps shakes Cavello's shoulder and Cavello startles awake, a dazed look in his eyes.)
God, great idea for a piece. KK, I'm ashamed of us for not doing this first and funnier :frown:
God, great idea for a piece. KK, I'm ashamed of us for not doing this first and funnier :frown:
If you'd met the guy who wrote it, you'd be even more ashamed.
First off . . . it's good to see Stalksmith fulfilling his needs this morning as per usual . . . the little fella is absolutely obsessed with K-State.
Seminole . . . until you get the tax returns for Snyder's corporation, you don't have the first Effing clue if the guy will get audited or not. For all we know, Snyder's corporation reported every dime of what he was paid to the IRS and taxes were paid on it accordingly.
You're just not very smart are you??
Lame Bentard . . . clearly you're too much of a tard to understand how this stuff works.
Kind of sad . . . actually.
The Mayor of Tardville taps out again.
Sad . . . really.
The Mayor of Tardville taps out again.
Sad . . . really.
Massive corruption from top to bottom taking place at K-State... and the king of moral high ground, Daxipad, is still a fan. Imagine that. How much cash do you think they swept under the rug for Beasley and Walker, 'Pad? I'm thinking a couple hundred thousand.
:billypopcorn:
Yeah, I'm sure all of that is going on while ku's under NCAA probation and being monitored daily by NCAA compliance officials. Any more wild ass conspiracy theories?
:jerkoff:
The Mayor of Tardville taps out again.
Sad . . . really.
Massive corruption from top to bottom taking place at K-State... and the king of moral high ground, Daxipad, is still a fan. Imagine that. How much cash do you think they swept under the rug for Beasley and Walker, 'Pad? I'm thinking a couple hundred thousand.
:billypopcorn:
God, great idea for a piece. KK, I'm ashamed of us for not doing this first and funnier :frown:
If you'd met the guy who wrote it, you'd be even more ashamed.
f^ck :hangshead:
All this basically showed was a lack of internal controls and record keeping. I've seen hundreds of these procedures and that is what they always uncover because that is what they are looking for. Now some are worse then others and these seems like a pretty bad case but all this talk about scandals and what not is just talk by people that don't know what they are looking at. Do a similar audit of any org of decent size and you will find undocumented payments and missing records and lack of controls.
The compensation payments from the petty cash accounts are probably not a good idea but there is no indication that any of those payments are over and above what was owed to anyone per their contract. It could end up being a tax issue for those that received the payments if they didn't claim the income and file their tax returns properly but that is no different from any of us. Aside from those payments the other thing that stands out is the 500k loan to Tim W. Not sure what justification or reasoning they had for making this but luckily it was paid back. More then anything it just shows bad management and oversight and it shows that even though Krause had a hand in it goes back even before him and Tim W wasn't the "good money guy" that people seemed to think that he was. I can also understand why Cavello the business manager was put on paid leave and why he likley will be getting terminated in the near future.
God, great idea for a piece. KK, I'm ashamed of us for not doing this first and funnier :frown:
If you'd met the guy who wrote it, you'd be even more ashamed.
f^ck :hangshead:
http://godsawesomegiftksu.blogspot.com/2009/06/happy-fathers-day.html (http://godsawesomegiftksu.blogspot.com/2009/06/happy-fathers-day.html)
All this basically showed was a lack of internal controls and record keeping. I've seen hundreds of these procedures and that is what they always uncover because that is what they are looking for. Now some are worse then others and these seems like a pretty bad case but all this talk about scandals and what not is just talk by people that don't know what they are looking at. Do a similar audit of any org of decent size and you will find undocumented payments and missing records and lack of controls.
The compensation payments from the petty cash accounts are probably not a good idea but there is no indication that any of those payments are over and above what was owed to anyone per their contract. It could end up being a tax issue for those that received the payments if they didn't claim the income and file their tax returns properly but that is no different from any of us. Aside from those payments the other thing that stands out is the 500k loan to Tim W. Not sure what justification or reasoning they had for making this but luckily it was paid back. More then anything it just shows bad management and oversight and it shows that even though Krause had a hand in it goes back even before him and Tim W wasn't the "good money guy" that people seemed to think that he was. I can also understand why Cavello the business manager was put on paid leave and why he likley will be getting terminated in the near future.
Of course all the money that couldn't be accounted for, approx. $845,000 dollars was all funneled through to players according to the Tinfoil Hats of Tardville. Frankly, I hope that was the case, because then it would show that K-STate was actually trying to keep pace with the massive corruption that exists over at ku, particularly in the basketball program.
The Funniest thing of all is that that lazy media, and of course most of Tardville (particularly the K-State obsessed DocStalkSmith and Bentard of Topeka) doesn't understand that Snyder's Corporation is referenced throughout his employment contracts with K-State (that is out there for public consumption). All these allegations of corruption on the part of Snyder are funny considering that he was simply being paid what he had contracted with K-State to be paid, and the money was paid to Snyder's corporation just as his in the public domain contract says it should have been.
All these allegations of corruption on the part of Snyder are funny considering that he was simply being paid what he had contracted with K-State to be paid
All this basically showed was a lack of internal controls and record keeping. I've seen hundreds of these procedures and that is what they always uncover because that is what they are looking for. Now some are worse then others and these seems like a pretty bad case but all this talk about scandals and what not is just talk by people that don't know what they are looking at. Do a similar audit of any org of decent size and you will find undocumented payments and missing records and lack of controls.
The compensation payments from the petty cash accounts are probably not a good idea but there is no indication that any of those payments are over and above what was owed to anyone per their contract. It could end up being a tax issue for those that received the payments if they didn't claim the income and file their tax returns properly but that is no different from any of us. Aside from those payments the other thing that stands out is the 500k loan to Tim W. Not sure what justification or reasoning they had for making this but luckily it was paid back. More then anything it just shows bad management and oversight and it shows that even though Krause had a hand in it goes back even before him and Tim W wasn't the "good money guy" that people seemed to think that he was. I can also understand why Cavello the business manager was put on paid leave and why he likley will be getting terminated in the near future.
Fair point.
All I'll say is that Kansas State is stingy as all hell when it comes to documenting academic depts. and entry-level employees. Meanwhile people making 6 and 7 figures essentially have no oversight/consistent procedures/gatekeepers. When you ask someone making <30,000/yr to put things on a "company credit card" that is the responsibility of that employee to pay off out of pocket and then wait 2 weeks for reimbursement w/ full receipts/justification and then you see the way things were handled for these clowns? It tends to piss you off a little.
All these allegations of corruption on the part of Snyder are funny considering that he was simply being paid what he had contracted with K-State to be paid
This is all Prince wants. Your administration is a JOKE. Talk all your crap about ku and paying players. Then tell me seriously that KSU doesn't do that same, especially with the outgoing administration.
All this basically showed was a lack of internal controls and record keeping. I've seen hundreds of these procedures and that is what they always uncover because that is what they are looking for. Now some are worse then others and these seems like a pretty bad case but all this talk about scandals and what not is just talk by people that don't know what they are looking at. Do a similar audit of any org of decent size and you will find undocumented payments and missing records and lack of controls.
The compensation payments from the petty cash accounts are probably not a good idea but there is no indication that any of those payments are over and above what was owed to anyone per their contract. It could end up being a tax issue for those that received the payments if they didn't claim the income and file their tax returns properly but that is no different from any of us. Aside from those payments the other thing that stands out is the 500k loan to Tim W. Not sure what justification or reasoning they had for making this but luckily it was paid back. More then anything it just shows bad management and oversight and it shows that even though Krause had a hand in it goes back even before him and Tim W wasn't the "good money guy" that people seemed to think that he was. I can also understand why Cavello the business manager was put on paid leave and why he likley will be getting terminated in the near future.
Fair point.
All I'll say is that Kansas State is stingy as all hell when it comes to documenting academic depts. and entry-level employees. Meanwhile people making 6 and 7 figures essentially have no oversight/consistent procedures/gatekeepers. When you ask someone making <30,000/yr to put things on a "company credit card" that is the responsibility of that employee to pay off out of pocket and then wait 2 weeks for reimbursement w/ full receipts/justification and then you see the way things were handled for these clowns? It tends to piss you off a little.
Yes I can undestand that and we should be pissed off. I suspect the documenation requirements and the laziness/ entitlement complex of those in the AD is what led to many of these issues. Per the audit the AD uses the same back office accounting function of the rest of the U (pays the U 195K per year for this service). Anything that goes through that process would have the same documentation standards and reimbursment time as any other department.
As a way to get around this the AD set up a fund where they would access money more easily. It was orginally stated they would use it to cover travel costs but they got lazy and started using it for other things because it was easier then going through red tape of the normal University accounting system. On top of this apparently they did a crappy job of tracking and accounting for the payments out of this account. Obviously there is potential for abuse there and that is what the report basically shows. As to if money was wasted or not we really don't know for sure other then to say the potential was there for money to be wasted and we know money was spent without going through the proper approval channels. Per the audit about 2 million per year went though this account and 5% was spent on non travel costs so about 100K per year is in question.
Didn't Freeman's dad get a job with a very prominent KSU Booster?All these allegations of corruption on the part of Snyder are funny considering that he was simply being paid what he had contracted with K-State to be paid
This is all Prince wants. Your administration is a JOKE. Talk all your crap about ku and paying players. Then tell me seriously that KSU doesn't do that same, especially with the outgoing administration.
The two issues, Prince/Snyder are mutually exclusive from a contract perspective. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that payments to Snyder were nothing more than his contracted pay per his . . . contract?? The existence of SSM is right there in black and white in his publicly disclosed contracts from years ago, and the amounts of money that were to be paid to the corp. were right there in the contracts that were disclosed publicly years ago. This isn't difficult stuff. This is nothing like finding some secret contract sitting around in a file some place.
There's dumb administration . . . K-State. There's paying players and things of that ilk . . . ku.
Big Difference.
Didn't Freeman's dad get a job with a very prominent KSU Booster?All these allegations of corruption on the part of Snyder are funny considering that he was simply being paid what he had contracted with K-State to be paid
This is all Prince wants. Your administration is a JOKE. Talk all your crap about ku and paying players. Then tell me seriously that KSU doesn't do that same, especially with the outgoing administration.
The two issues, Prince/Snyder are mutually exclusive from a contract perspective. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that payments to Snyder were nothing more than his contracted pay per his . . . contract?? The existence of SSM is right there in black and white in his publicly disclosed contracts from years ago, and the amounts of money that were to be paid to the corp. were right there in the contracts that were disclosed publicly years ago. This isn't difficult stuff. This is nothing like finding some secret contract sitting around in a file some place.
There's dumb administration . . . K-State. There's paying players and things of that ilk . . . ku.
Big Difference.
just a question. I don't know either way. calm down dax. It's just funny how thick your purple glasses are. The audit outlines some pretty funny business practices. It shows people being paid for the same service twice and not paying taxes on income.(the U not the people). It says the practice was stopped in 2005, but prince proves otherwise. And to your "I will listen to AA tourney people before tards" crap, there is a bunch of rumblings going on amongst the AAU tourney people about KSU and Beasley and Mayo, apparently you couldn't outbid USC? Understandable.Didn't Freeman's dad get a job with a very prominent KSU Booster?All these allegations of corruption on the part of Snyder are funny considering that he was simply being paid what he had contracted with K-State to be paid
This is all Prince wants. Your administration is a JOKE. Talk all your crap about ku and paying players. Then tell me seriously that KSU doesn't do that same, especially with the outgoing administration.
The two issues, Prince/Snyder are mutually exclusive from a contract perspective. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that payments to Snyder were nothing more than his contracted pay per his . . . contract?? The existence of SSM is right there in black and white in his publicly disclosed contracts from years ago, and the amounts of money that were to be paid to the corp. were right there in the contracts that were disclosed publicly years ago. This isn't difficult stuff. This is nothing like finding some secret contract sitting around in a file some place.
There's dumb administration . . . K-State. There's paying players and things of that ilk . . . ku.
Big Difference.
LOL . . . fully drinking the Tardville Kool-aid on that one aren't you hawks??
just a question. I don't know either way. calm down dax. It's just funny how thick your purple glasses are. The audit outlines some pretty funny business practices. It shows people being paid for the same service twice and not paying taxes on income.(the U not the people). It says the practice was stopped in 2005, but prince proves otherwise. And to your "I will listen to AA tourney people before tards" crap, there is a bunch of rumblings going on amongst the AAU tourney people about KSU and Beasley and Mayo, apparently you couldn't outbid USC? Understandable.Didn't Freeman's dad get a job with a very prominent KSU Booster?All these allegations of corruption on the part of Snyder are funny considering that he was simply being paid what he had contracted with K-State to be paid
This is all Prince wants. Your administration is a JOKE. Talk all your crap about ku and paying players. Then tell me seriously that KSU doesn't do that same, especially with the outgoing administration.
The two issues, Prince/Snyder are mutually exclusive from a contract perspective. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that payments to Snyder were nothing more than his contracted pay per his . . . contract?? The existence of SSM is right there in black and white in his publicly disclosed contracts from years ago, and the amounts of money that were to be paid to the corp. were right there in the contracts that were disclosed publicly years ago. This isn't difficult stuff. This is nothing like finding some secret contract sitting around in a file some place.
There's dumb administration . . . K-State. There's paying players and things of that ilk . . . ku.
Big Difference.
LOL . . . fully drinking the Tardville Kool-aid on that one aren't you hawks??
PS> way to treat Brodrick like a complete @sshole snyder. :thumbsup:
Didn't Freeman's dad get a job with a very prominent KSU Booster?All these allegations of corruption on the part of Snyder are funny considering that he was simply being paid what he had contracted with K-State to be paid
This is all Prince wants. Your administration is a JOKE. Talk all your crap about ku and paying players. Then tell me seriously that KSU doesn't do that same, especially with the outgoing administration.
The two issues, Prince/Snyder are mutually exclusive from a contract perspective. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that payments to Snyder were nothing more than his contracted pay per his . . . contract?? The existence of SSM is right there in black and white in his publicly disclosed contracts from years ago, and the amounts of money that were to be paid to the corp. were right there in the contracts that were disclosed publicly years ago. This isn't difficult stuff. This is nothing like finding some secret contract sitting around in a file some place.
There's dumb administration . . . K-State. There's paying players and things of that ilk . . . ku.
Big Difference.
Ah in case you missed it hawks . . . and I don't see how you could since you and several others live on this board. I've railed on this thing pretty hard, and railed on stuff going on at KSU for years.So we agree? Your beloved KSU is no better than ku. The taxes i'm referring to are the income taxes that were evaded by funneling it through a corporation. Numerous times people received income themselves and then payment for the same service through the corporation they set up. If it is determined that the payments are income then there should have been income taxes paid on those payments. My real worry would be the 13 undocumented payments, where those subject to income taxes as well? What do you think about what Snyder and co did to Brodrick?
Plus it wouldn't surprise me in the least that KSU "bid" on Walker and Beasley, but K-State can't "bid" like ku does, and K-State can't pay like ku pays to keep guys in school so Seff can extend his legacy. Hell son, the Morris Mongoloids mom works for one of ku's biggest boosters . . . you guys are so brazen about that $hit, the LJWOrld just reports it in the newspaper. Remember, ku is the only school in history where a basketball coach has called a news conference to tell everyone he wasn't recruiting a kid anymore because the process had been so corrupt with ku boosters that he knew it would open up a giant can of worms for him and ku.
The "U" paying taxes?? Since when did Non Profits start paying taxes??
SD . . . Ron Freeman worked for the Kansas Republican Party . . . it's party of the massive tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that Tardville has concocted.LOL. Dig more into it SD.
SD . . . Ron Freeman worked for the Kansas Republican Party . . . it's party of the massive tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that Tardville has concocted.LOL. Dig more into it SD.
understood.SD . . . Ron Freeman worked for the Kansas Republican Party . . . it's party of the massive tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that Tardville has concocted.LOL. Dig more into it SD.
meh, not really interested enough to do so :sleep:
Ah in case you missed it hawks . . . and I don't see how you could since you and several others live on this board. I've railed on this thing pretty hard, and railed on stuff going on at KSU for years.So we agree? Your beloved KSU is no better than ku. The taxes i'm referring to are the income taxes that were evaded by funneling it through a corporation. Numerous times people received income themselves and then payment for the same service through the corporation they set up. If it is determined that the payments are income then there should have been income taxes paid on those payments. My real worry would be the 13 undocumented payments, where those subject to income taxes as well? What do you think about what Snyder and co did to Brodrick?
Plus it wouldn't surprise me in the least that KSU "bid" on Walker and Beasley, but K-State can't "bid" like ku does, and K-State can't pay like ku pays to keep guys in school so Seff can extend his legacy. Hell son, the Morris Mongoloids mom works for one of ku's biggest boosters . . . you guys are so brazen about that $hit, the LJWOrld just reports it in the newspaper. Remember, ku is the only school in history where a basketball coach has called a news conference to tell everyone he wasn't recruiting a kid anymore because the process had been so corrupt with ku boosters that he knew it would open up a giant can of worms for him and ku.
The "U" paying taxes?? Since when did Non Profits start paying taxes??
Remember, ku is the only school in history where a basketball coach has called a news conference to tell everyone he wasn't recruiting a kid anymore because the process had been so corrupt with ku boosters that he knew it would open up a giant can of worms for him and ku.so? Good for him.
Actually if those payments are determined by the IRS to be income the school does have to pay income taxes on those payments, same as a paycheck. Same with those 13 payments. I see you are avoiding the Smith question though.
So ah . . . you're saying that the Corporation didn't file any taxes?? Snyder is on the record in an interview saying that his corporation filed its taxes as it should, claimed the income as it should and paid the appropriate taxes as it should.
The undocumented payments were undocumented by K-State, you, nor me, nor anyone knows if the people who received those payments documented them on their taxes. That doesn't have anything to do with K-State.
Afterall, the ku basketball program has the most extensive history of corruption and probation in NCAA Division One Basketball.i love the way you guys just narrow things down to match your own thoughts on yourselves. Like how your football program only existed from 1990 - 2003 and then again in 2009. Your school has the EXACT same amount of major violations as ku. Exact same amount. Just shows how badly managed your school is, at least cheat in a revenue producing sport.
Afterall, the ku basketball program has the most extensive history of corruption and probation in NCAA Division One Basketball.i love the way you guys just narrow things down to match your own thoughts on yourselves. Like how your football program only existed from 1990 - 2003 and then again in 2009. Your school has the EXACT same amount of major violations as ku. Exact same amount. Just shows how badly managed your school is, at least cheat in a revenue producing sport.
Remember, ku is the only school in history where a basketball coach has called a news conference to tell everyone he wasn't recruiting a kid anymore because the process had been so corrupt with ku boosters that he knew it would open up a giant can of worms for him and ku.so? Good for him.
Afterall, the ku basketball program has the most extensive history of corruption and probation in NCAA Division One Basketball.i love the way you guys just narrow things down to match your own thoughts on yourselves. Like how your football program only existed from 1990 - 2003 and then again in 2009. Your school has the EXACT same amount of major violations as ku. Exact same amount. Just shows how badly managed your school is, at least cheat in a revenue producing sport.
I don't think any of that is true. We embrace whole heartedly how bad we used to be. Makes what we did seem even more amazing. It wouldn't be a huge deal if Florida did what we did in that span. Our violations are primarily in boring sports as you point out. Makes me feel clean since I don't care about them. And, finally, this whole thread is about how badly managed our school was, so it's not like we're ignoring that or trying to hide it in any way.
This is what i'm talking about here SD. See how he narrows it down to only "major sports". Just so he doesn't have to admit to being an alum of a dirty college that's just as dirty as ku. Per you other crap about taxes, maybe this will helpRemember, ku is the only school in history where a basketball coach has called a news conference to tell everyone he wasn't recruiting a kid anymore because the process had been so corrupt with ku boosters that he knew it would open up a giant can of worms for him and ku.so? Good for him.
The same coach "forgot" about the rules that boosters can't give gifts to players . . . so how much other dadgum stuff did he "forget"? That was just one situation where he knew he had to back out of the deal given the publicity it was receiving.
What does Broderick Smith have to do with anything in this thread?? The kid is so "bothered" by the situation he's going to pay his way for awhile . . . BFD, he can choose to go to another school if he wants to, nothing is stopping him.
On the payments . . . so tell me again how K-State is going to have to pay taxes on those?? Don't you really mean that K-State may have to pay what should have been the withholding's?? K-State is never going to have to pay any income tax on that money. That's really an issue between the recipient of the payments and the IRS.
I always like how you guys always like to point out how K-State has the exact same amount of major infractions as ku. Here's the difference chief, a major sport at K-State hasn't been sanctioned as in loss of revenue, TV appearances, scholarships or post season appearances in 32 years. Over that same amount of time, ku football and basketball has lost scholarships etc. etc. on 4 separate occasions, and ku basketball has been placed on probation more times than any other Division 1 basketball program.
But auditors found that roughly 5 percent of the payments made from the account (the athletic travel fund) — about $100,000 each year since 2005 — were not for travel, but for contract payments to companies linked to K-State officials, such as Snyder’s SSM Inc., Weiser’s The Weiser Way and Krause’s Horizon Ranch.
“It is not clear why contract payments would be made through the … account as they do not relate to travel,” the audit noted. “As with other payments to employees’ personal corporations, the supporting documentation was minimal.”
The payments, auditors said, could cause the university tax problems.
“Many universities do pay their coaches for appearances and endorsements through a contract with the coach’s personal corporation,” auditors wrote. “However, it is our understanding that the taxing authorities do not look favorably on those situations if it is the athletics department or the university who is arranging for/negotiating the appearances and the endorsements on behalf of the coach, such as is the situation at K-State.”
In terms of SOME of the payments. The tax implications are likely revolving around payments by a non profit to an entity involved in a for profit endeavor, while that entity is under the employee of the non profit. In this case, the IRS will likely slap K-State Intercollegiate Athletic Council Inc. on the wrist and tell them to quit collecting money for things like a football camp where the coach has only contracted with the KSU IAC to use the KSU IAC facilities. The camps themselves are a for profit enterprise for the respective coach. See how I understand these things??
Actually if those payments are determined by the IRS to be income the school does have to pay income taxes on those payments, same as a paycheck. Same with those 13 payments. I see you are avoiding the Smith question though.
So ah . . . you're saying that the Corporation didn't file any taxes?? Snyder is on the record in an interview saying that his corporation filed its taxes as it should, claimed the income as it should and paid the appropriate taxes as it should.
The undocumented payments were undocumented by K-State, you, nor me, nor anyone knows if the people who received those payments documented them on their taxes. That doesn't have anything to do with K-State.
In terms of SOME of the payments. The tax implications are likely revolving around payments by a non profit to an entity involved in a for profit endeavor, while that entity is under the employee of the non profit. In this case, the IRS will likely slap K-State Intercollegiate Athletic Council Inc. on the wrist and tell them to quit collecting money for things like a football camp where the coach has only contracted with the KSU IAC to use the KSU IAC facilities. The camps themselves are a for profit enterprise for the respective coach. See how I understand these things??
So what, if any, is the fallout from this audit?
thanks for a good post. It doesn't seem like a big issue,the way you explained it, but the "whole" looks pretty bad. Do you see any NCAA investigations coming from this audit?Actually if those payments are determined by the IRS to be income the school does have to pay income taxes on those payments, same as a paycheck. Same with those 13 payments. I see you are avoiding the Smith question though.
So ah . . . you're saying that the Corporation didn't file any taxes?? Snyder is on the record in an interview saying that his corporation filed its taxes as it should, claimed the income as it should and paid the appropriate taxes as it should.
The undocumented payments were undocumented by K-State, you, nor me, nor anyone knows if the people who received those payments documented them on their taxes. That doesn't have anything to do with K-State.
This really isn't accurate. This money paid to the corporation is taxable to the corporation. If it was treated as normal salary then KSU would be responsible for witholding income and payroll taxes and paying their half of the payroll taxes. The way it was arranged the corp was an independent contractor and therefore none of this was required to be done. Apparently per the audit these types of arrangments are common at colleges but the IRS is starting to question them and force people to pay this out as salary rather then to these corporations.
Even if the IRS decides the arrangement is invalid then there would be a small fine for not witholding taxes properly (the taxpayer is still responsible for paying the taxes) and KSU would be liable for their portion of payroll taxes. But these are highly paid people who would be over and above their fica bases with ease from their base salary alone. That would mean KSU's liablity would only be half of the medicare tax so 1.45% of all the payments made to these corporations. The report said $845,000 of these payments were made so we're only talking about 12K in back taxes with penalties and everything for all this it would be less then 20k. It's a compliance issue but we're not talking about large amounts of unpaid taxes.
Yeah, I narrow it down to major sports hawks . . . nobody give a F_ck if the K-State track coach gave a trackster a few hundred extra bucks and may have contacted some potential recruits at the wrong time in 1990, or the women's basketball coach may have paid some players to babysit and work at a camp. (all self reported violations that resulted in the termination of those coaches as employees of the KSU IAC).how long did it take you to google all that.
But when one sport at one school gets put on probation more times than any other single school in that sport . . . well, if you can't figure that out, you're just dumb. Hey, the Big 12 is home to the most penalized football and basketball programs in NCAA history. Plus when is the last time ku fired a coach that got into trouble with the NCAA?? Larry Brown bailed . . . he wouldn't have been fired. Roy Williams bailed . . . he wouldn't have been fired. In the 1970's when ku basketball got put on probation Ted Owens wasn't fired, when the track team got put on probation Bob Timmons wasn't fired. When K-State football got put on probation in the 1970's the entire coaching staff got fired. In fact the last time K-State DID NOT fire a coaching staff directly involved in NCAA penalties was Tex Winter and staff in 1955.
In terms of SOME of the payments. The tax implications are likely revolving around payments by a non profit to an entity involved in a for profit endeavor, while that entity is under the employee of the non profit. In this case, the IRS will likely slap K-State Intercollegiate Athletic Council Inc. on the wrist and tell them to quit collecting money for things like a football camp where the coach has only contracted with the KSU IAC to use the KSU IAC facilities. The camps themselves are a for profit enterprise for the respective coach. See how I understand these things??
Very interesting to find out about all this stuff going on behind the scenes. Makes you realize there are hardly anygoodethical guys running things anymore. But if you kutards think this type of thing doesn't go on at uk, you are more retarded than i thought. It may not be run by as big of idiots as K-state, but i would bet money there are some very interesting contracts at uk.... i.e. Free Frosties at Wendy's for Mangino, Free Rogaine at Walgreens for Self, etc...
Yeah, I narrow it down to major sports hawks . . . nobody give a F_ck if the K-State track coach gave a trackster a few hundred extra bucks and may have contacted some potential recruits at the wrong time in 1990, or the women's basketball coach may have paid some players to babysit and work at a camp. (all self reported violations that resulted in the termination of those coaches as employees of the KSU IAC).how long did it take you to google all that.
But when one sport at one school gets put on probation more times than any other single school in that sport . . . well, if you can't figure that out, you're just dumb. Hey, the Big 12 is home to the most penalized football and basketball programs in NCAA history. Plus when is the last time ku fired a coach that got into trouble with the NCAA?? Larry Brown bailed . . . he wouldn't have been fired. Roy Williams bailed . . . he wouldn't have been fired. In the 1970's when ku basketball got put on probation Ted Owens wasn't fired, when the track team got put on probation Bob Timmons wasn't fired. When K-State football got put on probation in the 1970's the entire coaching staff got fired. In fact the last time K-State DID NOT fire a coaching staff directly involved in NCAA penalties was Tex Winter and staff in 1955.
In terms of SOME of the payments. The tax implications are likely revolving around payments by a non profit to an entity involved in a for profit endeavor, while that entity is under the employee of the non profit. In this case, the IRS will likely slap K-State Intercollegiate Athletic Council Inc. on the wrist and tell them to quit collecting money for things like a football camp where the coach has only contracted with the KSU IAC to use the KSU IAC facilities. The camps themselves are a for profit enterprise for the respective coach. See how I understand these things??
Very interesting to find out about all this stuff going on behind the scenes. Makes you realize there are hardly anygoodethical guys running things anymore. But if you kutards think this type of thing doesn't go on at uk, you are more retarded than i thought. It may not be run by as big of idiots as K-state, but i would bet money there are some very interesting contracts at uk.... i.e. Free Frosties at Wendy's for Mangino, Free Rogaine at Walgreens for Self, etc...
JFC, I go to Vegas for one weekend and this crap goes down? Seriously, I'm scared to see what the report on ku releases after reading through that. Hopefully we were watching the money better than the test takers. Chancellor Boob was an epic idiot, so this scenario being repeated is entirely possible.
Steve Dave, I'm scared. :scared:
Very interesting to find out about all this stuff going on behind the scenes. Makes you realize there are hardly anygoodethical guys running things anymore. But if you kutards think this type of thing doesn't go on at uk, you are more retarded than i thought. It may not be run by as big of idiots as K-state, but i would bet money there are some very interesting contracts at uk.... i.e. Free Frosties at Wendy's for Mangino, Free Rogaine at Walgreens for Self, etc...
JFC, I go to Vegas for one weekend and this crap goes down? Seriously, I'm scared to see what the report on ku releases after reading through that. Hopefully we were watching the money better than the test takers. Chancellor Boob was an epic idiot, so this scenario being repeated is entirely possible.
Steve Dave, I'm scared. :scared:
I would't worry, Bob was a major racist and not very smart. But he didn't have the power at ku, that Wefald had at K-State . . . and thus couldn't consolidate power like Wefald did with his little junta of good old boys.
Afterall, the ku basketball program has the most extensive history of corruption and probation in NCAA Division One Basketball.i love the way you guys just narrow things down to match your own thoughts on yourselves. Like how your football program only existed from 1990 - 2003 and then again in 2009. Your school has the EXACT same amount of major violations as ku. Exact same amount. Just shows how badly managed your school is, at least cheat in a revenue producing sport.
I don't think any of that is true. We embrace whole heartedly how bad we used to be. Makes what we did seem even more amazing. It wouldn't be a huge deal if Florida did what we did in that span. Our violations are primarily in boring sports as you point out. Makes me feel clean since I don't care about them. And, finally, this whole thread is about how badly managed our school was, so it's not like we're ignoring that or trying to hide it in any way.
ksu truly small potatos. :crybaby:
ksu truly small potatos. :crybaby:
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What I don't understand is why any ku fan cares about this crap. :dunno:
Probably the Whitlock article got them all excited. Really, though, it's ridiculously small stuff. Whatevs...
ksu truly small potatos. :crybaby:
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ksu truly small potatos. :crybaby:
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Truth hurts... ksuck is nothing. By the way nice comment about Frderick..you are an embarrassement. Karma will be a mother fracker... :crybaby:
karma will be a mother fracker for you..
karma will be a mother fracker for you..
You say this a lot but I keep getting better looking and more popular by the day. The luck doesn't seem to be running out for the strapping young gent steve dave :woot:
you said it not me...ksu is pretty much meaningless compared to to real universities...and yes karma will be a mother fracker for you..
[ And, finally, this whole thread is about how badly managed our school was, so it's not like we're ignoring that or trying to hide it in any way.
Are you Hindu? Buddhist?karma will be a mother fracker for you..
You say this a lot but I keep getting better looking and more popular by the day. The luck doesn't seem to be running out for the strapping young gent steve dave :woot:
karma has no preference...it's coming and this is the first time I have said it btw.
Am I the only one who doesn't give 2 craps about any of this? So Krause and Wefald screwed the pooch. Shocking.
OB got some money? Good! Give him more I say!
Christ, all I want is to win football games.
:whatthe:
Didn't Freeman's dad get a job with a very prominent KSU Booster?All these allegations of corruption on the part of Snyder are funny considering that he was simply being paid what he had contracted with K-State to be paid
This is all Prince wants. Your administration is a JOKE. Talk all your crap about ku and paying players. Then tell me seriously that KSU doesn't do that same, especially with the outgoing administration.
The two issues, Prince/Snyder are mutually exclusive from a contract perspective. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that payments to Snyder were nothing more than his contracted pay per his . . . contract?? The existence of SSM is right there in black and white in his publicly disclosed contracts from years ago, and the amounts of money that were to be paid to the corp. were right there in the contracts that were disclosed publicly years ago. This isn't difficult stuff. This is nothing like finding some secret contract sitting around in a file some place.
There's dumb administration . . . K-State. There's paying players and things of that ilk . . . ku.
Big Difference.
The Govt......which I guess could be considered THE biggest KSU booster :dunno:
Didn't Freeman's dad get a job with a very prominent KSU Booster?All these allegations of corruption on the part of Snyder are funny considering that he was simply being paid what he had contracted with K-State to be paid
This is all Prince wants. Your administration is a JOKE. Talk all your crap about ku and paying players. Then tell me seriously that KSU doesn't do that same, especially with the outgoing administration.
The two issues, Prince/Snyder are mutually exclusive from a contract perspective. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that payments to Snyder were nothing more than his contracted pay per his . . . contract?? The existence of SSM is right there in black and white in his publicly disclosed contracts from years ago, and the amounts of money that were to be paid to the corp. were right there in the contracts that were disclosed publicly years ago. This isn't difficult stuff. This is nothing like finding some secret contract sitting around in a file some place.
There's dumb administration . . . K-State. There's paying players and things of that ilk . . . ku.
Big Difference.
The Govt......which I guess could be considered THE biggest KSU booster :dunno:
It's no secret that Sam Brownback was responsible for hiring Ron Freeman as Executive Director of the Kansas GOP right after Josh committed to K-State. It's also no secret that Michael Beasley's mom moved to Manhattan on their one-year detour.
A couple million here... a few hundred thousand there. It's full blown massive corruption and tax fraud at K-State. All of that cheating just to beat ku for the first time ever in Bramlage. So pathetic.
:lol:
Are you Hindu? Buddhist?karma will be a mother fracker for you..
You say this a lot but I keep getting better looking and more popular by the day. The luck doesn't seem to be running out for the strapping young gent steve dave :woot:
karma has no preference...it's coming and this is the first time I have said it btw.
you said it not me...ksu is pretty much meaningless compared to to real universities...and yes karma will be a mother fracker for you..
If KSU is so meaningless, then why do you post on a KSU message board? :confused:
A couple million here... a few hundred thousand there. It's full blown massive corruption and tax fraud at K-State. All of that cheating just to beat ku for the first time ever in Bramlage. So pathetic.
:lol:
Cheating? You are very dumb.
A couple million here... a few hundred thousand there. It's full blown massive corruption and tax fraud at K-State. All of that cheating just to beat ku for the first time ever in Bramlage. So pathetic.
:lol:
Cheating? You are very dumb.
100% cheating... which is why tax fraud is completely illegal, oh smart one.
:rolleyes:
A couple million here... a few hundred thousand there. It's full blown massive corruption and tax fraud at K-State. All of that cheating just to beat ku for the first time ever in Bramlage. So pathetic.
:lol:
Cheating? You are very dumb.
100% cheating... which is why tax fraud is completely illegal, oh smart one.
:rolleyes:
A couple million here... a few hundred thousand there. It's full blown massive corruption and tax fraud at K-State. All of that cheating just to beat ku for the first time ever in Bramlage. So pathetic.
:lol:
Cheating? You are very dumb.
100% cheating... which is why tax fraud is completely illegal, oh smart one.
:rolleyes:
Wow. You need to hit the books, dummy. Tax avoidance is legal and any fraud unproven at this point.
Also, has nothing to do with NCAA.
And the basketball team is so squeaky clean it is embarassing. Well done Frank. :woot:
A couple million here... a few hundred thousand there. It's full blown massive corruption and tax fraud at K-State. All of that cheating just to beat ku for the first time ever in Bramlage. So pathetic.
:lol:
Cheating? You are very dumb.
100% cheating... which is why tax fraud is completely illegal, oh smart one.
:rolleyes:
Wow. You need to hit the books, dummy. Tax avoidance is legal and any fraud unproven at this point.
Also, has nothing to do with NCAA.
And the basketball team is so squeaky clean it is embarassing. Well done Frank. :woot:
For instance, you must convince yourself that it's perfectly normal for a player from Washington, D.C., to show up in Manhattan, Kan., with his entire family in tow for a single year (see: Michael Beasley). Or for a player to arrive in Memphis from Philadelphia with his own strength coach added to the coaching staff (see: Tyreke Evans) for a single year. Or for a player to be altruistically guided by an AAU coach who is a former certified NBA agent (see: John Wall).
You got nothing but libel.
But blinders, really?
What school takes scholar/athletes like the Morris twins and Shady? Makes excuses for perverts like Collins and Crawford? Hires dads to get players and sheds them when they are no longer of use? Engages in academic fraud? Encourages donors to make payments to recruits? Shelters dead-beat dads who have brothers in the NBA? Players in gang fights? and on, and on, and on.
If there was such a thing as karma, the sqwawks would all wake up as meatroaches.
A couple million here... a few hundred thousand there. It's full blown massive corruption and tax fraud at K-State. All of that cheating just to beat ku for the first time ever in Bramlage. So pathetic.
:lol:
Thanks for proving the point about blinders while adding classic examples of rhetorical overkill -- "K-State has some of the biggest scumbags to ever walk the Earth" -- that makes me wonder if you've ever cracked a book.
And why the hell can't I write "c-o-c-k roach"?
"No, I'm simply trying to give you guys a taste of your own medicine . . . " BS.
Again, I quote "K-State has some of the biggest scumbags to ever walk the Earth"
Truth is you're unhinged.
It's sports dude.
EMAW nation might finally cave.
Not really. In the AAU ranks there is rumblings about Beasley, Mayo, and KSU. Don't know if anything will come from it but i would keep an eye on what is uncovered in the USC investigation. There are also rumblings about Hill and the amount of money he made as a first year assistant. Once again, not claiming anything will come of this but i wouldn't call it squeaky clean. How funny is it that Snyder is more of a crook at KSU than Huggs. LOL.A couple million here... a few hundred thousand there. It's full blown massive corruption and tax fraud at K-State. All of that cheating just to beat ku for the first time ever in Bramlage. So pathetic.
:lol:
Cheating? You are very dumb.
100% cheating... which is why tax fraud is completely illegal, oh smart one.
:rolleyes:
Wow. You need to hit the books, dummy. Tax avoidance is legal and any fraud unproven at this point.
Also, has nothing to do with NCAA.
And the basketball team is so squeaky clean it is embarassing. Well done Frank. :woot:
Shelters dead-beat dads who have brothers in the NBA? Players in gang fights? and on, and on, and on.Are you serious? Rush's case was put off because they were waiting on him to get his money from the nba. Who cares if his brother is in the NBA? It's not his problem to pay for his brothers kid. Be careful on what you say about players cause KSU has had some bad ones yourself. Sex craved, bad dads, gangstas, all at KSU also.
Shelters dead-beat dads who have brothers in the NBA? Players in gang fights? and on, and on, and on.Are you serious? Rush's case was put off because they were waiting on him to get his money from the nba. Who cares if his brother is in the NBA? It's not his problem to pay for his brothers kid. Be careful on what you say about players cause KSU has had some bad ones yourself. Sex craved, bad dads, gangstas, all at KSU also.
Back to the cheating. Guys like Collins are still at ku only because certain entities in and around the ku basketball program (that have been there for decades, thus one of the reasons why ku basketball has been on probation 5 times, more than any other Division One basketball program) made it financially worth their wild to stay at ku another year . . . the quest for another national title is a powerful one. No dumbass that posts at slanttards, and tardville is going to be on there discussing that reality . . . and those that want to deny it are just nothing but major ku fanboys who will tell you sleazebags like Mark Mangino and outright slugs like kurtis Townsend are as pure as the wind driven snow.
LOL . . . did Bentard just say he's got premium at Rivals and Scout and therefore he knows there's no cheating going on at ku??:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
First off, as someone so adroitly stated earlier, the only Tax Liability K-State might have is a few thousand dollars in witholdings that should have been taken out of these payments, with a minor less than 2% tax penalty added. As those in the athletic community pointed out, many coaches/AD's have their own corporations and many coaches/AD's get lump sum payments to those corporations. But you can't rely on a 22 year old unemployed ku graduate to figure that out, or to be able to speak to that in any kind of educated fashion.
The only "tax fraud" that may have happened would have been on the part of the individuals who received the payments, and that's between them and the IRS.
Back to the cheating. Guys like Collins are still at ku only because certain entities in and around the ku basketball program (that have been there for decades, thus one of the reasons why ku basketball has been on probation 5 times, more than any other Division One basketball program) made it financially worth their wild to stay at ku another year . . . the quest for another national title is a powerful one. No dumbass that posts at slanttards, and tardville is going to be on there discussing that reality . . . and those that want to deny it are just nothing but major ku fanboys who will tell you sleazebags like Mark Mangino and outright slugs like kurtis Townsend are as pure as the wind driven snow.
How many prep schools did the Morris Mongoloids and Morningstar have to go to Bentard??
"The two say they are happy having relocated to Lawrence with their mom, Angel, who has her own place here and is employed at First Management."
"It's great having her here," Markieff said. "I'm just glad we're in Lawrence right now. Philadelphia is a nice place, but other than family, the crime rate is kind of high." (LJ World, 10/17/2008)
Folks, they're so blatant about it they just go ahead and admit right in the home town newspaper.
"Such basketball connections -- Compton is a fixture behind the ku bench at Allen Fieldhouse and often follows the team on the road -- allow the longtime booster to escape the pressures of the business world."
(First Management CEO Doug Compton in the LJ World 10/5/2003)
uk fans just want to believe that everyone is as dirty as they are when the actual facts prove they are the dirtiest in history.Might want to look at Arizona State, SMU, Auburn, Minn, aTm, OU, Wichita State, Illinois, Alabama etc. etc. wow, who is that right there with ku with 6 major infractions? It's KSU.
I wish we weren't so shiny clean sometimes. I truly do.
Lol. bad choice of words, how bout Sexual assaultistsShelters dead-beat dads who have brothers in the NBA? Players in gang fights? and on, and on, and on.Are you serious? Rush's case was put off because they were waiting on him to get his money from the nba. Who cares if his brother is in the NBA? It's not his problem to pay for his brothers kid. Be careful on what you say about players cause KSU has had some bad ones yourself. Sex craved, bad dads, gangstas, all at KSU also.
Ok, puritan pete.
Lol. bad choice of words, how bout Sexual assaultistsShelters dead-beat dads who have brothers in the NBA? Players in gang fights? and on, and on, and on.Are you serious? Rush's case was put off because they were waiting on him to get his money from the nba. Who cares if his brother is in the NBA? It's not his problem to pay for his brothers kid. Be careful on what you say about players cause KSU has had some bad ones yourself. Sex craved, bad dads, gangstas, all at KSU also.
Ok, puritan pete.
How many prep schools did the Morris Mongoloids and Morningstar have to go to Bentard??
"The two say they are happy having relocated to Lawrence with their mom, Angel, who has her own place here and is employed at First Management."
"It's great having her here," Markieff said. "I'm just glad we're in Lawrence right now. Philadelphia is a nice place, but other than family, the crime rate is kind of high." (LJ World, 10/17/2008)
Folks, they're so blatant about it they just go ahead and admit right in the home town newspaper.
"Such basketball connections -- Compton is a fixture behind the ku bench at Allen Fieldhouse and often follows the team on the road -- allow the longtime booster to escape the pressures of the business world."
(First Management CEO Doug Compton in the LJ World 10/5/2003)
How is that any different from Beasley's entire family moving to Manhattan? Where are the NCAA rules violations that you keep talking about? Lot's of flailing this morning, 'Pad.
Hawks . . . please explain the logic of someone getting paid what is rightfully owed to them per their contract and how that makes them a "crook".It's more about "IF" Beasley was receiving any money. You really think he said, "yeah Hill, I will follow you to what ever school and make you one of the highest paid assistant coaches in the country, and I do not want anything in return." That's just what the rumblings are about, no proof of anything yet, but you couple some info about Mayo with this audit showing almost a million dollars in missing athletic money and the NCAA wonders a bit. I would be worried about an investigation with some possible penalties for Lack of Institutional Control. Like I said, USC maybe able to keep the NCAA from digging to deep and everything will be fine. Per the football team, it actually is pretty quiet about the NCAA doing anything in that aspect other than trying to track down the missing money. I would say the chances of a NCAA investigation is 50/50 right now with the main investigation geared towards institutional control.
If you were contracted with an employer, and they paid you the money they owed you, would you consider yourself a "crook"??
Your other problem is, we readily admit that K-State has seen more than it's fair share of off the court issues with athletes.
Just admit it, Rush was a deadbeat dad who consitantly had to be chased down by the child protection systems of the Missouri courts to get him to step up and do the right thing. The funniest thing of all was the Bentards of the world trying to claim it was a different Brandon Rush . . . honor student at ku. :lol:
uk fans just want to believe that everyone is as dirty as they are when the actual facts prove they are the dirtiest in history.Might want to look at Arizona State, SMU, Auburn, Minn, aTm, OU, Wichita State, Illinois, Alabama etc. etc. wow, who is that right there with ku with 6 major infractions? It's KSU.
I wish we weren't so shiny clean sometimes. I truly do.
Yeah . . . we can really tell that Martin and Hill are sweating the situation with USC and Mayo.your confused here dax. I've never said ku is clean. I'm embarrassed as a fan when they get caught cheating. I'm saying KSU is dirty also, as is every other school in the NCAA. Pretty much why the NCAA as an organization is a joke. Like i also said before, the USC and Mayo situation has brought up KSU and a bidding war. I would be a little worried about that.
Meanwhile Collins is traveling back to Chicago (and points beyond) all the time with his "handler" paying all the bills, and looking forward to the financial rewards of staying at ku for another season.
Which school refused to offer scholarships to athletes charged with felonies, and had its AD say, "I think you do have to draw some kind of a line, and for me it starts with the difference between a felony and a misdemeanor."
Yes hawks . . . you hear "rumblings". We know.whats funny is you claim to be in the know with AAU tourney guys. Just ask them. All you have to do. Do you know Mr. Bell?
Yes hawks . . . you hear "rumblings". We know.whats funny is you claim to be in the know with AAU tourney guys. Just ask them. All you have to do.
BMW, where are you getting the info that says Rush had a 4.0 GPA? He couldn't even maintain a 2.0 in high school. IIRC, he scored a 12 on his first ACT or something like that. There is no was on this Earth that Rush could get a 4.0 at ku by himself, without any cheating involved. There is no way he could have qualified without cheating as well. He couldn't qualify at other schools, but it just so happened that he qualified at ku.
BMW, where are you getting the info that says Rush had a 4.0 GPA? He couldn't even maintain a 2.0 in high school. IIRC, he scored a 12 on his first ACT or something like that. There is no was on this Earth that Rush could get a 4.0 at ku by himself, without any cheating involved. There is no way he could have qualified without cheating as well. He couldn't qualify at other schools, but it just so happened that he qualified at ku.Ever heard of PE. Be careful here, you can go back through the DOD and see all kinds of players for KSU that couldn't qualify any where else, but magically they qualified at KSU.
LOL. Ok that was pretty funny.BMW, where are you getting the info that says Rush had a 4.0 GPA? He couldn't even maintain a 2.0 in high school. IIRC, he scored a 12 on his first ACT or something like that. There is no was on this Earth that Rush could get a 4.0 at ku by himself, without any cheating involved. There is no way he could have qualified without cheating as well. He couldn't qualify at other schools, but it just so happened that he qualified at ku.
LOL . . . ku . . .where guys like Brandon Rush make the Dean's list.
Even Michael Bishop turned away in horror.
I'd like to ask several of you to step up your game here. You're regressing to the same old talking points. Please focus and stay on topic.
Thank you in advance.
All my best,
DrJ
ksu truly small potatos. :crybaby:
Fat guy that works at a chain steak house says
Truth hurts... ksuck is nothing. By the way nice comment about Frderick..you are an embarrassement. Karma will be a mother fracker... :crybaby:
Don't even understand the second half of your post :dunno:
I'd like to ask several of you to step up your game here. You're regressing to the same old talking points. Please focus and stay on topic.
Thank you in advance.
All my best,
DrJ
Dear DrJ,
You stink.
Not your friend,
steve dave
It's more about "IF" Beasley was receiving any money. You really think he said, "yeah Hill, I will follow you to what ever school and make you one of the highest paid assistant coaches in the country, and I do not want anything in return." That's just what the rumblings are about, no proof of anything yet, but you couple some info about Mayo with this audit showing almost a million dollars in missing athletic money and the NCAA wonders a bit. I would be worried about an investigation with some possible penalties for Lack of Institutional Control. Like I said, USC maybe able to keep the NCAA from digging to deep and everything will be fine. Per the football team, it actually is pretty quiet about the NCAA doing anything in that aspect other than trying to track down the missing money. I would say the chances of a NCAA investigation is 50/50 right now with the main investigation geared towards institutional control.
Per Rush, yeah he acted a little immature, happens to pampered 18-20 year olds all across the nation.
"We don't comment on current, pending or potential investigations," said Stacey Osburn, associate director of public and media relations for the NCAA. "But this is a university employment decision, and not anything we would be involved with. These (at K-State) really aren't violations of NCAA rules. "
Yeah . . . we can really tell that Martin and Hill are sweating the situation with USC and Mayo.
Meanwhile Collins is traveling back to Chicago (and points beyond) all the time with his "handler" paying all the bills, and looking forward to the financial rewards of staying at ku for another season.
Oh, and 'Pad, I'm pretty sure Michael Beasley went to about seven different prep schools after getting kicked out of the first six because of his thuggery. Kicked out of every school because of 'thuggery'? Please define 'thuggery', then provide a link that states as such. tia.
Also, get back with me when a ku player nearly kills a two year-old infant (Leon Patton) Your 2,000 yard rusher nearly killed his teammate two months ago.
or when a ku player gets kicked off the team for having gay sex with minors (Tyler Hughes). He did?
K-State... not only do they suck at sports, they suck at cheating.
BMW, where are you getting the info that says Rush had a 4.0 GPA? He couldn't even maintain a 2.0 in high school. IIRC, he scored a 12 on his first ACT or something like that. There is no was on this Earth that Rush could get a 4.0 at ku by himself, without any cheating involved. There is no way he could have qualified without cheating as well. He couldn't qualify at other schools, but it just so happened that he qualified at ku.Ever heard of PE. Be careful here, you can go back through the DOD and see all kinds of players for KSU that couldn't qualify any where else, but magically they qualified at KSU.
Morningstar went to a prep school in New Hampshire after he graduated from Free State. Rush was in and out of several high schools before landing at Mt. Zion. The Morris twins attended Apex Academy. None of them, to my knowledge, have thrown a punch to the back of someone's head on a box out, or pissed on the sidelines during a game. I'm simply giving you a dose of your own medicine, 'Pad, and as expected, you don't handle it very well. I honestly couldn't care less who employed Beasley's mom, or who paid for their one-year detour of Manhattan. After all of the massive corruption that has taken place at K-State recently, I wouldn't be surprised if Wefald was the one sneaking payments off the books.
Oh, and 'Pad, I'm pretty sure Michael Beasley went to about seven different prep schools after getting kicked out of the first six because of his thuggery. Also, get back with me when a ku player nearly kills a two year-old infant (Leon Patton), or when a ku player gets kicked off the team for having gay sex with minors (Tyler Hughes). K-State... not only do they suck at sports, they suck at cheating.
Morningstar went to a prep school in New Hampshire after he graduated from Free State. Rush was in and out of several high schools before landing at Mt. Zion. The Morris twins attended Apex Academy. None of them, to my knowledge, have thrown a punch to the back of someone's head on a box out, or pissed on the sidelines during a game. I'm simply giving you a dose of your own medicine, 'Pad, and as expected, you don't handle it very well. I honestly couldn't care less who employed Beasley's mom, or who paid for their one-year detour of Manhattan. After all of the massive corruption that has taken place at K-State recently, I wouldn't be surprised if Wefald was the one sneaking payments off the books.
I've spoken with Marcus Morris about that incident personally, and it was an inadvertant bump into an official while he was walking back to the bench. Watch the replay.
I've spoken with Marcus Morris about that incident personally, and it was an inadvertant bump into an official while he was walking back to the bench. Watch the replay.
I've spoken with Marcus Morris about that incident personally, and it was an inadvertant bump into an official while he was walking back to the bench. Watch the replay.
I've spoken with Marcus Morris about that incident personally, and it was an inadvertant bump into an official while he was walking back to the bench. Watch the replay.
I've spoken with Marcus Morris about that incident personally, and it was an inadvertant bump into an official while he was walking back to the bench. Watch the replay.
You don't know the difference between an NCAA infraction and a financial audit.
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I've spoken with Marcus Morris about that incident personally, and it was an inadvertant bump into an official while he was walking back to the bench. Watch the replay.
Bentard: Marcus, bro, what happened on that play? That official messin' with you?
Marcus Morris: F*uck off white boy.
Don't think that qualifies.
I've spoken with Marcus Morris about that incident personally, and it was an inadvertant bump into an official while he was walking back to the bench. Watch the replay.
Bentard: Marcus, bro, what happened on that play? That official messin' with you?
Marcus Morris: F*uck off white boy.
Don't think that qualifies.
Throw a little more racism in there and you'll be on your way to joining the KKK in no time.
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What's wrong with peeing on the sideline? When you've got to go, you've got to go. Don't see how peeing on the sideline is being a thug. :confused:
I've spoken with Marcus Morris about that incident personally, and it was an inadvertant bump into an official while he was walking back to the bench. Watch the replay.
You don't know the difference between an NCAA infraction and a financial audit.
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Huh?? Thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the discussion, as usual.
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What's wrong with peeing on the sideline? When you've got to go, you've got to go. Don't see how peeing on the sideline is being a thug. :confused:
Admit it Ben...Rivalries are suppose to be competitive? Oh, never mind. :thumbsup:
We are your real rival. Mizzou is just a cover up. Kind of like the make-up you use to cover up the bruises your boyfriend gives you.
Admit it Ben...Rivalries are suppose to be competitive? Oh, never mind. :thumbsup:
We are your real rival. Mizzou is just a cover up. Kind of like the make-up you use to cover up the bruises your boyfriend gives you.
Yeah.... being up 34-28 with 2 minutes left and needing to recover an onside kick to win the game is a blowout if I've ever seen one. K-State fans were awfully concerned when ku was staring at 12-0 and a possible national title appearance.
Yeah.... being up 34-28 with 2 minutes left and needing to recover an onside kick to win the game is a blowout if I've ever seen one. K-State fans were awfully concerned when ku was staring at 12-0 and a possible national title appearance.
Hilarious that you didn't even win the North that year.
Yeah.... being up 34-28 with 2 minutes left and needing to recover an onside kick to win the game is a blowout if I've ever seen one. K-State fans were awfully concerned when ku was staring at 12-0 and a possible national title appearance.
Hilarious that you didn't even win the North that year.
Technically, ku won a share of the North division championship.
Admit it Ben...Rivalries are suppose to be competitive? Oh, never mind. :thumbsup:
We are your real rival. Mizzou is just a cover up. Kind of like the make-up you use to cover up the bruises your boyfriend gives you.
Crap... is it a rivalry if no one shows up to watch it? Only two years ago was the border war/showdown anything but a border blow out
Yeah.... being up 34-28 with 2 minutes left and needing to recover an onside kick to win the game is a blowout if I've ever seen one. K-State fans were awfully concerned when ku was staring at 12-0 and a possible national title appearance.
Hilarious that you didn't even win the North that year.
Technically, ku won a share of the North division championship.
lol.
Yeah.... being up 34-28 with 2 minutes left and needing to recover an onside kick to win the game is a blowout if I've ever seen one. K-State fans were awfully concerned when ku was staring at 12-0 and a possible national title appearance.
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Yeah.... being up 34-28 with 2 minutes left and needing to recover an onside kick to win the game is a blowout if I've ever seen one. K-State fans were awfully concerned when ku was staring at 12-0 and a possible national title appearance.
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Re-read my post. I said, other than the game two years ago. That would mean the 2007 game, you dumb frack
Yeah.... being up 34-28 with 2 minutes left and needing to recover an onside kick to win the game is a blowout if I've ever seen one. K-State fans were awfully concerned when ku was staring at 12-0 and a possible national title appearance.
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Re-read my post. I said, other than the game two years ago. That would mean the 2007 game, you dumb frack
Tardville... so full of "tard" that ku will begin the season ranked #1 in basketball and top 25 in football. But, but, but.... ku fans don't know what they're talking about.
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Yeah.... being up 34-28 with 2 minutes left and needing to recover an onside kick to win the game is a blowout if I've ever seen one. K-State fans were awfully concerned when ku was staring at 12-0 and a possible national title appearance.
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Re-read my post. I said, other than the game two years ago. That would mean the 2007 game, you dumb frack
The score of last year's ku/Mizzou game was 40-37, and ku needed to block a last second field goal to avoid overtime. What in God's name are you blabbering about?
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New Bentard Logic . . . my favorite team is ranked high in the preseason, therefore we have "smart" fans.
Classic . . . absolutely classic.
To the Bentard . . . :beerchug:
Wait just one god damn minute.....do you guys call Dax "pad" from changing it to Daxy and then to Daxy-pad like Maxi-pad!? JFC I just figured it out!
EMAW!!!!!
New Bentard Logic . . . my favorite team is ranked high in the preseason, therefore we have "smart" fans.
Classic . . . absolutely classic.
To the Bentard . . . :beerchug:
Now there's a good chuckle. Daxipad... constantly trying to invalidate any and all things ku. Yeah, 'Pad... ku fans have been claiming that our football program was going to keep improving, yet K-State fans denied it. ku fans claimed that Bill Self would have ku competing for a Final Four in '10, yet K-State fans denied it. Hell, if K-State fans were right about things even 10% of the time, Aldrich would be in the NBA Draft and Bill Self would be coaching at Oklahoma State.
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iceberg..please define the "dominant" years of KSUCK...you will not, because it cannot be define as such..come on...let's hear it. :popcorn:
New Bentard Logic . . . my favorite team is ranked high in the preseason, therefore we have "smart" fans.
Classic . . . absolutely classic.
To the Bentard . . . :beerchug:
Now there's a good chuckle. Daxipad... constantly trying to invalidate any and all things ku. Yeah, 'Pad... ku fans have been claiming that our football program was going to keep improving, yet K-State fans denied it. ku fans claimed that Bill Self would have ku competing for a Final Four in '10, yet K-State fans denied it. Hell, if K-State fans were right about things even 10% of the time, Aldrich would be in the NBA Draft and Bill Self would be coaching at Oklahoma State.
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You're just plain dumb.
What I said had NOTHING to do with ku improving in football. Nobody has denied that idiot . . . we just aren't as impressed with it as you guys are . . . again, this is the year that Mangino gets to prove that 2007 wasn't a fluke . . . but I digress.
I am laughing at your usual dumbass logic, which just proclaimed ku fans as being "smart" because ku football was getting accolades in the preseason.
But hey nice crowd at Arrowhead in 2007, it took ku and mu both being ranked high and combining the 2 fanbases to actually have a decent crowd show up . . . that's a huge change from the usual. ku no where to be found on the MU record crowds list (K-State is found twice in the top 10) . . . mu no where to found until position 22 in the ku top home crowds (K-State dominates the Top 10).
Ben . . . please don't post while your high. :bong: :BigToke:
There's nothing like the hyper obsessed with K-State 23 year old bank teller (who apparently has a lot of time to spend on the Internet in his first job) talking about anyone have a . . . PERIOD.
Ben, you're the one that was on here proclaiming how your superior ku edumacation was going to send you straight off to a $300-$400K a year job, and smoking Cohiba's on the deck of your motor yacht, not me, but once again I digress. (BTW . . . I hope you do get there some day)
Dude, you just said ku fans aren't that dumb because ku football is getting preseason accolades.
Who on here has said that that this isn't ku's year to win the North?? We've been saying that since the end of last season . . . but as per usual you're just blinded by your rage :mad: towards K-State or you've rode the ganja train too often and your memory is shot.
iceberg..please define the "dominant" years of KSUCK...you will not, because it cannot be define as such..come on...let's hear it. :popcorn:
Lets see... that 14 year over you guys streak was pretty nice.
Also, only one of two programs to ever win 11 games six years out of seven. That, is dominance.
Oh, ya..... :billypopcorn: :billypopcorn: :billypopcorn:
I honestly have no ill will towards K-State other than when posters like yourself constantly attack and bash my alma mater.
I honestly have no ill will towards K-State other than when posters like yourself constantly attack and bash my alma mater.
Same back at ku. However, you come over to a K-State board to bash on K-State. THAT is an attack. I only post on this board (okay not true, I posted on Auburn's board in 2007) not ku's.
Ben, you're the one that was on here proclaiming how your superior ku edumacation was going to send you straight off to a $300-$400K a year job, and smoking Cohiba's on the deck of your motor yacht, not me, but once again I digress. (BTW . . . I hope you do get there some day)
Dude, you just said ku fans aren't that dumb because ku football is getting preseason accolades.
Who on here has said that that this isn't ku's year to win the North?? We've been saying that since the end of last season . . . but as per usual you're just blinded by your rage :mad: towards K-State or you've rode the ganja train too often and your memory is shot.
Here's what actually happened. I interviewed with Northwestern Mutual and they told me that their recently hired employees made an average of $270,000 in their first three years. That's $90,000 a year. I'd love to be making that much money right out of college, but I'm not interested in a salary based on commission. Anyone who has been to college eventually realizes that college is what you make of it... ku and K-State are both similar schools when it comes to academic standing. K-State has made up a lot of ground in the last 15-20 years, though. It didn't even used to be close.
Anyways, my point was that "tardville" might not be so "tardish" after all. I will give you that there are plenty of posters on phog.net who barely have an IQ above room temperature, but isn't pretty much every message board like that?? K-State fans told anyone who would listen that '07 was a one year flash in the pan, and that ku would not be able to continue their success. Heck, there were plenty of EMAW's predicting K-State to win in Lawrence last season. I honestly have no ill will towards K-State other than when posters like yourself constantly attack and bash my alma mater.
so...how many conference championships did it produce in thsoe 14 years? How many bcs bowl games? and how many NC's? See nebraska for dominance during most of that period. you were a strong team in the Big 12 but hardly dominant by any definition. what a joke. unless of course you are only defining your success against ku? your rival? :crybaby: you just got worked..let's hear a reply. what is it?
Ben, you're the one that was on here proclaiming how your superior ku edumacation was going to send you straight off to a $300-$400K a year job, and smoking Cohiba's on the deck of your motor yacht, not me, but once again I digress. (BTW . . . I hope you do get there some day)
Dude, you just said ku fans aren't that dumb because ku football is getting preseason accolades.
Who on here has said that that this isn't ku's year to win the North?? We've been saying that since the end of last season . . . but as per usual you're just blinded by your rage :mad: towards K-State or you've rode the ganja train too often and your memory is shot.
Here's what actually happened. I interviewed with Northwestern Mutual and they told me that their recently hired employees made an average of $270,000 in their first three years. That's $90,000 a year. I'd love to be making that much money right out of college, but I'm not interested in a salary based on commission. Anyone who has been to college eventually realizes that college is what you make of it... ku and K-State are both similar schools when it comes to academic standing. K-State has made up a lot of ground in the last 15-20 years, though. It didn't even used to be close.
Anyways, my point was that "tardville" might not be so "tardish" after all. I will give you that there are plenty of posters on phog.net who barely have an IQ above room temperature, but isn't pretty much every message board like that?? K-State fans told anyone who would listen that '07 was a one year flash in the pan, and that ku would not be able to continue their success. Heck, there were plenty of EMAW's predicting K-State to win in Lawrence last season. I honestly have no ill will towards K-State other than when posters like yourself constantly attack and bash my alma mater.
Okay . . . but the reason I call all the ku bbs's Tardville is because of all the absurd conspiracies they come up with . . . which go way beyond a discussing how a booster is paying players. BTW . . .do you know how All4ku's Kansas County Deed Search is going?
Me thinks sniffing things in D1 competition does not demostrate dominance....again comparing your success to Kansas over a 10 year period sounds like you had a run over your rival? congrats..in that casse ku dominates the series. when ku demolishes you in mancrappin this year it will be 5-5 in the last decade? ksuck being good in the big 12 is ancient history..get on with your life..ksuck is now irrelevent...quit embarrassing youself. :kstatriot:
Me thinks sniffing things in D1 competition does not demostrate dominance....again comparing your success to Kansas over a 10 year period sounds like you had a run over your rival? congrats..in that casse ku dominates the series. when ku demolishes you in mancrappin this year it will be 5-5 in the last decade? ksuck being good in the big 12 is ancient history..get on with your life..ksuck is now irrelevent...quit embarrassing youself. :kstatriot:
I would give my left nut (probably not actually) to experience a "DoD" like K-State's, but I do have to sit back and laugh at the fact that they only have one Big 12 title to show for it.
LOL . . . come on T. Brew, it's not like K-State has gone through the last 3 Big 12 seasons going 0-8 in conference play every year, and in that same period ku football has finished above .500 in conference play . . . once. Geez dude . . . ku was 4-4 in conference play last year, and got rolled in 3 of those 4 losses.:lol:
LOL . . . come on T. Brew, it's not like K-State has gone through the last 3 Big 12 seasons going 0-8 in conference play every year, and in that same period ku football has finished above .500 in conference play . . . once. Geez dude . . . ku was 4-4 in conference play last year, and got rolled in 3 of those 4 losses.
Ben, you're the one that was on here proclaiming how your superior ku edumacation was going to send you straight off to a $300-$400K a year job, and smoking Cohiba's on the deck of your motor yacht, not me, but once again I digress. (BTW . . . I hope you do get there some day)
Dude, you just said ku fans aren't that dumb because ku football is getting preseason accolades.
Who on here has said that that this isn't ku's year to win the North?? We've been saying that since the end of last season . . . but as per usual you're just blinded by your rage :mad: towards K-State or you've rode the ganja train too often and your memory is shot.
Here's what actually happened. I interviewed with Northwestern Mutual and they told me that their recently hired employees made an average of $270,000 in their first three years. That's $90,000 a year. I'd love to be making that much money right out of college, but I'm not interested in a salary based on commission. Anyone who has been to college eventually realizes that college is what you make of it... ku and K-State are both similar schools when it comes to academic standing. K-State has made up a lot of ground in the last 15-20 years, though. It didn't even used to be close.
Anyways, my point was that "tardville" might not be so "tardish" after all. I will give you that there are plenty of posters on phog.net who barely have an IQ above room temperature, but isn't pretty much every message board like that?? K-State fans told anyone who would listen that '07 was a one year flash in the pan, and that ku would not be able to continue their success. Heck, there were plenty of EMAW's predicting K-State to win in Lawrence last season. I honestly have no ill will towards K-State other than when posters like yourself constantly attack and bash my alma mater.
LOL . . . come on T. Brew, it's not like K-State has gone through the last 3 Big 12 seasons going 0-8 in conference play every year, and in that same period ku football has finished above .500 in conference play . . . once. Geez dude . . . ku was 4-4 in conference play last year, and got rolled in 3 of those 4 losses.
True. As bad as Ron Prince was, K-State was never "0-8" bad. I know what that feels like, and it sucks balls.
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LOL . . . come on T. Brew, it's not like K-State has gone through the last 3 Big 12 seasons going 0-8 in conference play every year, and in that same period ku football has finished above .500 in conference play . . . once. Geez dude . . . ku was 4-4 in conference play last year, and got rolled in 3 of those 4 losses.
Bentard . . . keep in mind that at places like ou and Texas and Nebraska having a good basketball team is just something to keep them interested until football signing day.
LOL . . . come on T. Brew, it's not like K-State has gone through the last 3 Big 12 seasons going 0-8 in conference play every year, and in that same period ku football has finished above .500 in conference play . . . once. Geez dude . . . ku was 4-4 in conference play last year, and got rolled in 3 of those 4 losses.
True. As bad as Ron Prince was, K-State was never "0-8" bad. I know what that feels like, and it sucks balls.
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ku was 12-41 games between 86-90.
ku was 12-41 games between 86-90.
I'm pretty sure everyone's aware of those numbers. I quite positive if I looked it up ksuck has a 4 year stretch worse than that.
Me thinks sniffing things in D1 competition does not demostrate dominance....again comparing your success to Kansas over a 10 year period sounds like you had a run over your rival? congrats..in that case ku dominates the series. when ku demolishes you in mancrappin this year it will be 5-5 in the last decade? ksuck being good in the big 12 is ancient history..get on with your life..ksuck is now irrelevent...quit embarrassing youself. :kstatriot: speaking of flaws in time? i guess if you want to go there then you acknowledge the bball championships before the tourney? just a flaw in time, eh?
Me thinks sniffing things in D1 competition does not demostrate dominance....again comparing your success to Kansas over a 10 year period sounds like you had a run over your rival? congrats..in that case ku dominates the series. when ku demolishes you in mancrappin this year it will be 5-5 in the last decade? ksuck being good in the big 12 is ancient history..get on with your life..ksuck is now irrelevent...quit embarrassing youself. :kstatriot: speaking of flaws in time? i guess if you want to go there then you acknowledge the bball championships before the tourney? just a flaw in time, eh?
If we are so irrelevant, then why do you post here? :jerkoff:
I'd love to be making that much money right out of college, but I'm not interested in a salary based on commission.
LOL . . . come on T. Brew, it's not like K-State has gone through the last 3 Big 12 seasons going 0-8 in conference play every year, and in that same period ku football has finished above .500 in conference play . . . once. Geez dude . . . ku was 4-4 in conference play last year, and got rolled in 3 of those 4 losses.
Bentard . . . keep in mind that at places like ou and Texas and Nebraska having a good basketball team is just something to keep them interested until football signing day.
BINGO!!!!!!!!! We have a winner!!!!!!!! Very well put :beerchug:when has nub ever had a good bball team? OU and Texas want to win championships in every sport, not just one like at nub. Their bball teams are usually pretty good with aims of winning a NC. KSU falls into neither category of a football or bball school. your baseball team had a good season though.
BINGO!!!!!!!!! We have a winner!!!!!!!! Very well put :beerchug:when has nub ever had a good bball team? OU and Texas want to win championships in every sport, not just one like at nub. Their bball teams are usually pretty good with aims of winning a NC. KSU falls into neither category of a football or bball school. your baseball team had a good season though.
great post man. shows your maturity and intellect. I bet you probably could find yourself a boyfriend in Lawrence. You guys seem to be everywhere these days.BINGO!!!!!!!!! We have a winner!!!!!!!! Very well put :beerchug:when has nub ever had a good bball team? OU and Texas want to win championships in every sport, not just one like at nub. Their bball teams are usually pretty good with aims of winning a NC. KSU falls into neither category of a football or bball school. your baseball team had a good season though.
Is that what you call a "reach-around" in Lawrence?
great post man. shows your maturity and intellect. I bet you probably could find yourself a boyfriend in Lawrence. You guys seem to be everywhere these days.BINGO!!!!!!!!! We have a winner!!!!!!!! Very well put :beerchug:when has nub ever had a good bball team? OU and Texas want to win championships in every sport, not just one like at nub. Their bball teams are usually pretty good with aims of winning a NC. KSU falls into neither category of a football or bball school. your baseball team had a good season though.
Is that what you call a "reach-around" in Lawrence?
Go for it.great post man. shows your maturity and intellect. I bet you probably could find yourself a boyfriend in Lawrence. You guys seem to be everywhere these days.Is that what you call a "reach-around" in Lawrence?BINGO!!!!!!!!! We have a winner!!!!!!!! Very well put :beerchug:when has nub ever had a good bball team? OU and Texas want to win championships in every sport, not just one like at nub. Their bball teams are usually pretty good with aims of winning a NC. KSU falls into neither category of a football or bball school. your baseball team had a good season though.
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I'm absolutely positive I could...crap, they're everywhere in Lawrence.
Go for it.great post man. shows your maturity and intellect. I bet you probably could find yourself a boyfriend in Lawrence. You guys seem to be everywhere these days.Is that what you call a "reach-around" in Lawrence?BINGO!!!!!!!!! We have a winner!!!!!!!! Very well put :beerchug:when has nub ever had a good bball team? OU and Texas want to win championships in every sport, not just one like at nub. Their bball teams are usually pretty good with aims of winning a NC. KSU falls into neither category of a football or bball school. your baseball team had a good season though.
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I'm absolutely positive I could...crap, they're everywhere in Lawrence.
sorry.Go for it.great post man. shows your maturity and intellect. I bet you probably could find yourself a boyfriend in Lawrence. You guys seem to be everywhere these days.Is that what you call a "reach-around" in Lawrence?BINGO!!!!!!!!! We have a winner!!!!!!!! Very well put :beerchug:when has nub ever had a good bball team? OU and Texas want to win championships in every sport, not just one like at nub. Their bball teams are usually pretty good with aims of winning a NC. KSU falls into neither category of a football or bball school. your baseball team had a good season though.
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I'm absolutely positive I could...crap, they're everywhere in Lawrence.
I lob you a softball like that and "Go for it." is all you got? I'm disappointed.