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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: catzacker on May 12, 2009, 08:49:49 PM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-floyd051209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-floyd051209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
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Outstanding!
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Now you are going to &@#%ing tell me there is no such thing as Chanukah Harry...
Tim, this is just sad.
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The $ ruined the trifecta of beas, walker, & mayo in manhattan.
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The $ ruined the trifecta of beas, walker, & mayo in manhattan.
QFT :curse: :chainsaw: :angry:
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USC is incredible.
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USC is incredible.
I know. God, I admire them.
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:lol:
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USC is incredible.
I know. God, I admire them.
Watch them get out of this one as well.
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Amazing. :lol:
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So do you think the school will punish the womens basketball team to show the NCAA that they have handled the situation?
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So do you think the school will punish the womens basketball team to show the NCAA that they have handled the situation?
Gold.
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http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=2320.0
^last post, page 1 tia.
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So do you think the school will punish the womens basketball team to show the NCAA that they have handled the situation?
That's exactly what uk would, and has, done.
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So do you think the school will punish the womens basketball team to show the NCAA that they have handled the situation?
That's exactly what uk would, and has, done.
Congrats, Sherlock Hemlock.... the world's greatest detective!
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So do you think the school will punish the womens basketball team to show the NCAA that they have handled the situation?
That's exactly what uk would, and has, done.
Congrats, Sherlock Hemlock.... the world's greatest detective!
Wow, you think that one up all by yourself?
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Nothing is going to happen here. Johnson never SAW Floyd give Guillroy anything. Unless they get Guillroy to talk, there is nothing to this.
(http://Upon arriving in Beverly Hills, Guillory pulled up to a stretch of cafes in the downtown shopping district, where Floyd was waiting on the sidewalk. Because there were no parking spaces, Guillory asked Johnson to circle the block in the SUV until Guillory was ready to be picked up. Johnson exited the passenger side of the vehicle, at which point Johnson saw Floyd and the two exchanged greetings. Johnson then got into the driver’s seat and proceeded to circle the block while Guillory and Floyd met.
After approximately 15 minutes, Johnson saw Guillory waiting on the curb in front of the stretch of cafes and pulled over to pick him up. Once Guillory was inside the vehicle, he produced a white envelope with cash inside. Guillory told Johnson that Floyd had given him “a grand,” and Johnson was able to view $100 bills inside the envelope. He said he believed there appeared to be “substantially” more than $1,000, although he did not count the bills.)
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Nothing is going to happen here. Johnson never SAW Floyd give Guillroy anything. Unless they get Guillroy to talk, there is nothing to this.
(http://Upon arriving in Beverly Hills, Guillory pulled up to a stretch of cafes in the downtown shopping district, where Floyd was waiting on the sidewalk. Because there were no parking spaces, Guillory asked Johnson to circle the block in the SUV until Guillory was ready to be picked up. Johnson exited the passenger side of the vehicle, at which point Johnson saw Floyd and the two exchanged greetings. Johnson then got into the driver’s seat and proceeded to circle the block while Guillory and Floyd met.
After approximately 15 minutes, Johnson saw Guillory waiting on the curb in front of the stretch of cafes and pulled over to pick him up. Once Guillory was inside the vehicle, he produced a white envelope with cash inside. Guillory told Johnson that Floyd had given him “a grand,” and Johnson was able to view $100 bills inside the envelope. He said he believed there appeared to be “substantially” more than $1,000, although he did not count the bills.)
There are still ways to verify if the statements are true. If the NCAA could find that money was withdrawn from accounts tied to Floyd around the times the money was given, etc. They can also check booster accounts that might have met with Floyd around that time.
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Nothing is going to happen here. Johnson never SAW Floyd give Guillroy anything. Unless they get Guillroy to talk, there is nothing to this.
(http://Upon arriving in Beverly Hills, Guillory pulled up to a stretch of cafes in the downtown shopping district, where Floyd was waiting on the sidewalk. Because there were no parking spaces, Guillory asked Johnson to circle the block in the SUV until Guillory was ready to be picked up. Johnson exited the passenger side of the vehicle, at which point Johnson saw Floyd and the two exchanged greetings. Johnson then got into the driver’s seat and proceeded to circle the block while Guillory and Floyd met.
After approximately 15 minutes, Johnson saw Guillory waiting on the curb in front of the stretch of cafes and pulled over to pick him up. Once Guillory was inside the vehicle, he produced a white envelope with cash inside. Guillory told Johnson that Floyd had given him “a grand,” and Johnson was able to view $100 bills inside the envelope. He said he believed there appeared to be “substantially” more than $1,000, although he did not count the bills.)
There are still ways to verify if the statements are true. If the NCAA could find that money was withdrawn from accounts tied to Floyd around the times the money was given, etc. They can also check booster accounts that might have met with Floyd around that time.
I don't see them getting subpoenas for every booster's financial records. And a multi-millionaire like Floyd withdrawing a grand around the time that the alleged infraction occurred would feed the fire, but I don't think it would be anywhere near conclusive evidence. They had much more tangible evidence against Reggie Bush and were unable to make anything stick, I expect this situation to be similar.
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Nothing is going to happen here. Johnson never SAW Floyd give Guillroy anything. Unless they get Guillroy to talk, there is nothing to this.
(http://Upon arriving in Beverly Hills, Guillory pulled up to a stretch of cafes in the downtown shopping district, where Floyd was waiting on the sidewalk. Because there were no parking spaces, Guillory asked Johnson to circle the block in the SUV until Guillory was ready to be picked up. Johnson exited the passenger side of the vehicle, at which point Johnson saw Floyd and the two exchanged greetings. Johnson then got into the driver’s seat and proceeded to circle the block while Guillory and Floyd met.
After approximately 15 minutes, Johnson saw Guillory waiting on the curb in front of the stretch of cafes and pulled over to pick him up. Once Guillory was inside the vehicle, he produced a white envelope with cash inside. Guillory told Johnson that Floyd had given him “a grand,” and Johnson was able to view $100 bills inside the envelope. He said he believed there appeared to be “substantially” more than $1,000, although he did not count the bills.)
There are still ways to verify if the statements are true. If the NCAA could find that money was withdrawn from accounts tied to Floyd around the times the money was given, etc. They can also check booster accounts that might have met with Floyd around that time.
I don't see them getting subpoenas for every booster's financial records. And a multi-millionaire like Floyd withdrawing a grand around the time that the alleged infraction occurred would feed the fire, but I don't think it would be anywhere near conclusive evidence. They had much more tangible evidence against Reggie Bush and were unable to make anything stick, I expect this situation to be similar.
If they can't find SOMETHING on this dirtbag or anyone at USC only two things can be true: 1) the NCAA is so grossly incompetant it deserves to be disbanded for disgusting stupidity, or 2) USC is lining the pockets of NCAA staff (aka the "Perkins Method")
A deaf dumb and blind transvestite could figure out when a dirt poor high school kid gets a little extra folding money, let alone thousands of dollars.
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Nothing is going to happen here. Johnson never SAW Floyd give Guillroy anything. Unless they get Guillroy to talk, there is nothing to this.
(http://Upon arriving in Beverly Hills, Guillory pulled up to a stretch of cafes in the downtown shopping district, where Floyd was waiting on the sidewalk. Because there were no parking spaces, Guillory asked Johnson to circle the block in the SUV until Guillory was ready to be picked up. Johnson exited the passenger side of the vehicle, at which point Johnson saw Floyd and the two exchanged greetings. Johnson then got into the driver’s seat and proceeded to circle the block while Guillory and Floyd met.
After approximately 15 minutes, Johnson saw Guillory waiting on the curb in front of the stretch of cafes and pulled over to pick him up. Once Guillory was inside the vehicle, he produced a white envelope with cash inside. Guillory told Johnson that Floyd had given him “a grand,” and Johnson was able to view $100 bills inside the envelope. He said he believed there appeared to be “substantially” more than $1,000, although he did not count the bills.)
There are still ways to verify if the statements are true. If the NCAA could find that money was withdrawn from accounts tied to Floyd around the times the money was given, etc. They can also check booster accounts that might have met with Floyd around that time.
I don't see them getting subpoenas for every booster's financial records. And a multi-millionaire like Floyd withdrawing a grand around the time that the alleged infraction occurred would feed the fire, but I don't think it would be anywhere near conclusive evidence. They had much more tangible evidence against Reggie Bush and were unable to make anything stick, I expect this situation to be similar.
If they can't find SOMETHING on this dirtbag or anyone at USC only two things can be true: 1) the NCAA is so grossly incompetant it deserves to be disbanded for disgusting stupidity, or 2) USC is lining the pockets of NCAA staff (aka the "Perkins Method")
A deaf dumb and blind transvestite could figure out when a dirt poor high school kid gets a little extra folding money, let alone thousands of dollars.
Knowing that illegal crap is going on is easy enough, building a strong enough case to make the accusations stick is an entirely different matter.
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Nothing is going to happen here. Johnson never SAW Floyd give Guillroy anything. Unless they get Guillroy to talk, there is nothing to this.
(http://Upon arriving in Beverly Hills, Guillory pulled up to a stretch of cafes in the downtown shopping district, where Floyd was waiting on the sidewalk. Because there were no parking spaces, Guillory asked Johnson to circle the block in the SUV until Guillory was ready to be picked up. Johnson exited the passenger side of the vehicle, at which point Johnson saw Floyd and the two exchanged greetings. Johnson then got into the driver’s seat and proceeded to circle the block while Guillory and Floyd met.
After approximately 15 minutes, Johnson saw Guillory waiting on the curb in front of the stretch of cafes and pulled over to pick him up. Once Guillory was inside the vehicle, he produced a white envelope with cash inside. Guillory told Johnson that Floyd had given him “a grand,” and Johnson was able to view $100 bills inside the envelope. He said he believed there appeared to be “substantially” more than $1,000, although he did not count the bills.)
There are still ways to verify if the statements are true. If the NCAA could find that money was withdrawn from accounts tied to Floyd around the times the money was given, etc. They can also check booster accounts that might have met with Floyd around that time.
I don't see them getting subpoenas for every booster's financial records. And a multi-millionaire like Floyd withdrawing a grand around the time that the alleged infraction occurred would feed the fire, but I don't think it would be anywhere near conclusive evidence. They had much more tangible evidence against Reggie Bush and were unable to make anything stick, I expect this situation to be similar.
If they can't find SOMETHING on this dirtbag or anyone at USC only two things can be true: 1) the NCAA is so grossly incompetant it deserves to be disbanded for disgusting stupidity, or 2) USC is lining the pockets of NCAA staff (aka the "Perkins Method")
A deaf dumb and blind transvestite could figure out when a dirt poor high school kid gets a little extra folding money, let alone thousands of dollars.
Knowing that illegal crap is going on is easy enough, building a strong enough case to make the accusations stick is an entirely different matter.
Pepperdine will pay for USC's lack of ethics.
:ohno: <<----Asbury
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No, no . . . UC-Riverside is headed for the Death Penalty because of those bastages at USC.
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Seriously, how much of an idiot is Floyd? Personally handing out a white envelope full of cash to buy a player????
Credit where credit is due, you've got to admire a guy like Bill Self who goes about things the right way. If you're going to pay out a large sum of money to a recruit or a player, at least make sure it's properly laundered and for Pete's sake be smart enough to filter the money through a couple intermediaries before it gets to the handlers.
Hypothetically speaking of course. If you were a prominent, high profile basketball coach, and you had a player, let's call him Merron Follins. And you were to try and prevent this player from declaring for the NBA draft. Hypothetically, it would be far more sensible to use say a prominent Lawrence real estate developer and major ku booster that happens to have seats a few rows behind you on the bench to handle the delivery of money to said player's handler than to personally do it yourself and take the chance of getting caught.
Again, hypothetically speaking.
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So, do they fire Floyd? If so, can we hire him? There's obviously room where Underwood used to sit.
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Nothing is going to happen here. Johnson never SAW Floyd give Guillroy anything. Unless they get Guillroy to talk, there is nothing to this.
(http://Upon arriving in Beverly Hills, Guillory pulled up to a stretch of cafes in the downtown shopping district, where Floyd was waiting on the sidewalk. Because there were no parking spaces, Guillory asked Johnson to circle the block in the SUV until Guillory was ready to be picked up. Johnson exited the passenger side of the vehicle, at which point Johnson saw Floyd and the two exchanged greetings. Johnson then got into the driver’s seat and proceeded to circle the block while Guillory and Floyd met.
After approximately 15 minutes, Johnson saw Guillory waiting on the curb in front of the stretch of cafes and pulled over to pick him up. Once Guillory was inside the vehicle, he produced a white envelope with cash inside. Guillory told Johnson that Floyd had given him “a grand,” and Johnson was able to view $100 bills inside the envelope. He said he believed there appeared to be “substantially” more than $1,000, although he did not count the bills.)
There are still ways to verify if the statements are true. If the NCAA could find that money was withdrawn from accounts tied to Floyd around the times the money was given, etc. They can also check booster accounts that might have met with Floyd around that time.
I don't see them getting subpoenas for every booster's financial records. And a multi-millionaire like Floyd withdrawing a grand around the time that the alleged infraction occurred would feed the fire, but I don't think it would be anywhere near conclusive evidence. They had much more tangible evidence against Reggie Bush and were unable to make anything stick, I expect this situation to be similar.
If they can't find SOMETHING on this dirtbag or anyone at USC only two things can be true: 1) the NCAA is so grossly incompetant it deserves to be disbanded for disgusting stupidity, or 2) USC is lining the pockets of NCAA staff (aka the "Perkins Method")
A deaf dumb and blind transvestite could figure out when a dirt poor high school kid gets a little extra folding money, let alone thousands of dollars.
Knowing that illegal crap is going on is easy enough, building a strong enough case to make the accusations stick is an entirely different matter.
I think you're confusing a criminal investigation with a NCAA investigation. There is no "beyond a reasonable doubt" here. The burden of proof isn't that high. Something stinks with this whole USC thing...
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Seriously, how much of an idiot is Floyd? Personally handing out a white envelope full of cash to buy a player????
Credit where credit is due, you can't help but admire a guy like Bill Self who goes about things the right way. If you're going to pay out a large sum of money to a recruit or a player, at least make sure it's properly laundered and for Pete's sake be smart enough to filter the money through a couple intermediaries before it gets to the handlers.
Hypothetically speaking of course. If you were a prominent, high profile basketball coach, and you had a player, let's call him Merron Follins. And you were to try and prevent this player from declaring for the NBA draft. It would be far more sensible to use say a prominent Lawrence real estate developer and major ku booster to handle the delivery of money to said player's handler than to personally do it yourself and take the chance of getting caught.
Again, hypothetically speaking.
Excellent Post!
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Here's the deal though; USC basketball isn't that good and really hasn't been, so this is a great opportunity for the NCAA.
USC football, that's become another story and they aren't as touchable.
But the NCAA could easily take a 'ship or two from USC basketball and it would be not biggee. Good chance to 'take a stand' vs one of the big boys, b/c its one of their secondary programs.
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Here's the deal though; USC basketball isn't that good and really hasn't been, so this is a great opportunity for the NCAA.
USC football, that's become another story and they aren't as touchable.
But the NCAA could easily take a 'ship or two from USC basketball and it would be not biggee. Good chance to 'take a stand' vs one of the big boys, b/c its one of their secondary programs.
i never understood the arguement that the NCAA won't touch one of the big programs in a particular sport. how does it hurt them to penalize USC? you're talking about a multibillion dollar corporation who's entire revenue stream is built on its image.
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Here's the deal though; USC basketball isn't that good and really hasn't been, so this is a great opportunity for the NCAA.
USC football, that's become another story and they aren't as touchable.
But the NCAA could easily take a 'ship or two from USC basketball and it would be not biggee. Good chance to 'take a stand' vs one of the big boys, b/c its one of their secondary programs.
i never understood the arguement that the NCAA won't touch one of the big programs in a particular sport. how does it hurt them to penalize USC? you're talking about a multibillion dollar corporation who's entire revenue stream is built on its image.
I don't know how much it is true, but it seems that way.
What was the last bigtime program that really took a hit?
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Here's the deal though; USC basketball isn't that good and really hasn't been, so this is a great opportunity for the NCAA.
USC football, that's become another story and they aren't as touchable.
But the NCAA could easily take a 'ship or two from USC basketball and it would be not biggee. Good chance to 'take a stand' vs one of the big boys, b/c its one of their secondary programs.
i never understood the arguement that the NCAA won't touch one of the big programs in a particular sport. how does it hurt them to penalize USC? you're talking about a multibillion dollar corporation who's entire revenue stream is built on its image.
I don't know how much it is true, but it seems that way.
What was the last bigtime program that really took a hit?
i think that has more to do with the fact that the ncaa has chosen to go the path of blind ignorance, i think they have something like 7 people on their entire investigative staff?
i guess my point is that i think the decision they're making is not to not punish a big time program, instead they've decided to notknow about the actions of any programs (to any great extent).
if they don't know about it, then they can't be put in a position of having to punish/not punish a USC or ku.
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hell, they rely on self-governance. if i'm usc would i take the high road and kill my own football program and the hundreds of millions it produces each year? :lol:
small schools (the ones that seem to get in trouble) have less to lose when reporting violations and are more incented to report because of it.
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i imagine it's incredibly hard to catch someone "cheating". that's why they reduce penalties so dramatically for self-reporting. it's the only chance they have.
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i imagine it's incredibly hard to catch someone "cheating". that's why they reduce penalties so dramatically for self-reporting. it's the only chance they have.
it's the only chance they have because thats the way they want it
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hell, they rely on self-governance. if i'm usc would i take the high road and kill my own football program and the hundreds of millions it produces each year? :lol:
small schools (the ones that seem to get in trouble) have less to lose when reporting violations and are more incented to report because of it.
Isn't it all relevant though? Just seems like 90k to USC = 25k to SMU.
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hell, they rely on self-governance. if i'm usc would i take the high road and kill my own football program and the hundreds of millions it produces each year? :lol:
small schools (the ones that seem to get in trouble) have less to lose when reporting violations and are more incented to report because of it.
Isn't it all relevant though? Just seems like 90k to USC = 25k to SMU.
You mean reletive? :confused:
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hell, they rely on self-governance. if i'm usc would i take the high road and kill my own football program and the hundreds of millions it produces each year? :lol:
small schools (the ones that seem to get in trouble) have less to lose when reporting violations and are more incented to report because of it.
Isn't it all relevant though? Just seems like 90k to USC = 25k to SMU.
i don't know if it's relative or not, my guess is that it's actually not apples to apples/relative but i'd have to think about it more before making any type of assertion.
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hell, they rely on self-governance. if i'm usc would i take the high road and kill my own football program and the hundreds of millions it produces each year? :lol:
small schools (the ones that seem to get in trouble) have less to lose when reporting violations and are more incented to report because of it.
Isn't it all relevant though? Just seems like 90k to USC = 25k to SMU.
You mean reletive? :confused:
I did. But I imagine it is relevant to those involved as well.
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Such an act would constitute a major NCAA violation for USC, which is the subject of an ongoing three-year investigation into alleged improprieties in both the football and men’s basketball programs.
THATS the one that I am interested in hearing about... my disgust for the USC fb program is deep.
If USC is able to get a couple of schollies yanked, they will continue to laugh their way to the bank. This aint a little cheating or doinking tutors, this is buying players. IMO, this could be one right up there with point shaving. Rat-bastards... the trifecta of Beas, Walking and Mayo would have been unreal.
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We turned down Mayo.
KSU still > USC + $$$$$$
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Really wish he'd come though.
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i think that has more to do with the fact that the ncaa has chosen to go the path of blind ignorance, i think they have something like 7 people on their entire investigative staff?
i guess my point is that i think the decision they're making is not to not punish a big time program, instead they've decided to notknow about the actions of any programs (to any great extent).
if they don't know about it, then they can't be put in a position of having to punish/not punish a USC or ku.
The NCAA looks the other way because there is too much money involved, especially in FB. Everyone knows the SEC teams are (have been) cheating but rarely do they do anything about it.
To me, it's about the TV contracts; SEC or Big Ten or Pac 10 could easily "check out" of the NCAA and just play each other and still get big $ and players due to where and who they are. The NCAA knows this and that is why the NCAA will never drop the hammer on any of the big boys.
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i think that has more to do with the fact that the ncaa has chosen to go the path of blind ignorance, i think they have something like 7 people on their entire investigative staff?
i guess my point is that i think the decision they're making is not to not punish a big time program, instead they've decided to notknow about the actions of any programs (to any great extent).
if they don't know about it, then they can't be put in a position of having to punish/not punish a USC or ku.
The NCAA looks the other way because there is too much money involved, especially in FB. Everyone knows the SEC teams are (have been) cheating but rarely do they do anything about it.
To me, it's about the TV contracts; SEC or Big Ten or Pac 10 could easily "check out" of the NCAA and just play each other and still get big $ and players due to where and who they are. The NCAA knows this and that is why the NCAA will never drop the hammer on any of the big boys.
so if USC isn't good and playing in the rose bowl, no one else can be. got it. :flush:
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I SAID I GOT IT
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The TV networks like USC in the Rose bowl
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tv networks like usc in the rose bowl only because they're really good. when they go away someone else will take their place and become the usc of today. like a few years back when use was really bad and abc didn't care that usc wasn't in the rose bowl.
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tv networks like usc in the rose bowl only because they're really good. when they go away someone else will take their place and become the usc of today. like a few years back when use was really bad and abc didn't care that usc wasn't in the rose bowl.
Well, that and the fact that their fanbase is located in the largest TV market in the country.
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it'll be disappointing if we don't get any pub in this. though if its just to clear our name i guess that could be a negative so maybe its all for the better.